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    Thumbs up SF Mayor names woman as next fire chief

    SF Mayor Newsom names woman as city's next fire chief

    SAN FRANCISCO - A 14-year veteran of the San Francisco Fire Department was tapped Saturday to take over the agency's top job, a nomination likely to make her the first woman to head a major California fire department and one of the few female fire bosses in the nation.

    If she is confirmed by the San Francisco Fire Commission, which is considered probable, Joanne Hayes-White would head an 1,800-person department that only hired its first woman firefighter in 1987 and was later ordered by a court to hire more women and minorities.

    "I think it sends a message to young women, little girls and women in general that there are no boundaries," Hayes-White said at an event to announce her appointment by newly installed Mayor Gavin Newsom. "You can do whatever you like."

    Hayes-White, 39, would replace outgoing fire chief Mario Trevino, who resigned in October but agreed to stay on until Newsom took office.

    As of last September, just 16 U.S. fire departments had female chiefs, but none of the agencies was as large as San Francisco's, according to the website of Women in the Fire Service, a non-profit group in Madison, Wis. Among the larger female-headed departments were those in Cobb County, Georgia; Tacoma, Washington; and Little Rock, Arkansas. The only California agencies headed by a woman were in Davis and Carmel-by-the-Sea.

    Officials with Women in the Fire Service could not be reached for comment.

    About 6,200 women work as full-time career firefighters and officers nationwide, according to the website.

    "This is a historic day in San Francisco and this is a first for the San Francisco Fire Department and I am proud to have the privilege of making this choice," said Newsom, who was inaugurated only two days earlier and is, at 36, the city's youngest mayor in more than a century.

    Irma Herrera, executive director of Equality Rights Advocates, a San Francisco group that sued the department for discriminating against women in its hiring practices, attended Newsom's announcement and hailed the appointment as a breakthrough for women.

    "This is evidence that this is a great city and that women are making impressive gains in the fight towards equality," Herrera said. "Breaking into a boy's club has been a difficult, long-term process, but the women persevered."

    The San Francisco Fire Department was forced to diversify its ranks in 1988 after a U.S. District Court judge ordered the department to hire more women and minorities. Currently, about 230 of the city's 1,800 firefighters are women.

    Some female firefighters have voiced complaints about the department's male-dominated culture. In November, Kristin Odlaugh, a four-year veteran, filed a sexual harassment complaint, saying that drinking was common at her fire station and made work difficult.

    Newsom said he selected Hayes-White because of her support among the department's rank and file, familiarity with its neighborhood stations and budget experience.

    "She has distinguished herself as someone who understands dollars and has a tremendous amount of sense as well," Newsom said.

    Hayes-White would take the job at a time when the San Francisco Fire Department, like similar agencies across California, faces looming budget cuts at a time of a statewide financial crunch.

    "I look forward to coming up with creative solutions to avoid layoffs in San Francisco," she said.

    Hayes-White, a San Francisco native who has worked in all of the city's 41 fire stations, was most recently its assistant deputy chief and director of training.

    A graduate of Santa Clara University, she joined the department in 1990 and worked as a captain and battalion chief.

    Trevino held the top San Francisco job for two years after being hired from the Las Vegas Fire Department.
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    Default Oh my...

    Putting a 39 year old female Chief in a super,
    SUPER historical/old school department. This
    is going to interesting to watch...

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    Default Nothing personal but..

    A 14 year "veteran" ? I smell a receipe for disaster. Sounds like the new Mayor is choosing form over function. Show me any 14 year member that is ready to lead a large metropolitan department and I will show you ulterior motives.

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    It sounds like "political correctness" run amok!
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    Was there anyone else in the running?

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    Thumbs up

    She has served in the department as Captain, Battalion Chief, and Assistant Deputy Chief. She's worked her way up the ladder, and has served in all 41 stations, and from what the mayor says, has the support of all the other FFs.

    I wish her good luck with her new position
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    It'll be interesting.

    Mario Trevino sure didn't last long in the position (2 years and a few weeks I think???), and I suspect she's getting support if for no other reason than at least she's not an outsider.

    Good luck to her, if she's earned respect, she'll get it. Sometimes luck and timing plays a part in promotions; sometimes politics; sometimes both.

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    Default In a big city, small city, even in a small town..

    A fire chiefs job is almost always about POLITICS

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    If she's truly earned the position, I wish her the best.......however, it sounds to much like the Equality Rights Advocates had a big play in this one.
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    I wish her luck......... She's probably lucky ole Donna wasn't in the running though, because she would have got it.........

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    Default Re: Nothing personal but..

    Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    A 14 year "veteran" ? I smell a receipe for disaster. Sounds like the new Mayor is choosing form over function. Show me any 14 year member that is ready to lead a large metropolitan department and I will show you ulterior motives.
    If after 14 years she had attained the rank of deputy chief and director of training, then why not be ready to lead the department?

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    Thumbs up

    good luck to her, im sure she will do fine
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    Default Re: Re: Nothing personal but..

    Originally posted by cozmosis


    If after 14 years she had attained the rank of deputy chief and director of training, then why not be ready to lead the department?
    .... Maybe she is. Tell me how many 14 year members attain such a high rank in such a short time? I am not questioning the new Chiefs credibility but I also know how big city politics work.

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    Good luck to her...............and I only got one question how many years does she need to be on to become Chief ?
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    Fourteen.

    (It's in the article).

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    King.............if you noticed someone posted that they didnt think that 14 was enough ............so I was wondering what number should be !!!!!!!!!!!
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    I see what everyone is saying. On one hand she has worked her way up the ladder, but on the other hand, it just seems odd that after 14 years, ANYONE would work their up the ladder that quick in a FD the size of San Fran.......

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    just messin' with you (should have made that clearer-sorry).

    Although, just for the sake of conversation, I would like to see how many years the other top chiefs have.

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    Default Sounds like political correctness (incorrectness) to me....

    Since the quotes from the people appointing her show more interest in her gender than why she would be a great chief it casts doubt in my mind. Something else that kinda jumped out at me she has worked all 41 stations in 14 years. For me this is unheard of, it means she has worked three or more different stations each year she has been employed. That sounds like someone who has trouble fitting in. If she is confirmed I guess time will tell. Anybody know why Chief Trevino is leaving?

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    She was NEVER a line officer in a firehouse. She spent all of her time in office jobs. She most certainly does NOT have the support of the line Firemen. There were far far superior candidates with resumes as long as anyone. They also gave most of the senior Deputy Chiefs 30 days to clean out there desks. The replacements? ALL political appointments. And to think that this was done by a a Union Supported candidate.
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    Originally posted by OFD226
    She was NEVER a line officer in a firehouse. She spent all of her time in office jobs. She most certainly does NOT have the support of the line Firemen. There were far far superior candidates with resumes as long as anyone. They also gave most of the senior Deputy Chiefs 30 days to clean out there desks. The replacements? ALL political appointments. And to think that this was done by a a Union Supported candidate.
    Where did you get this information? Are you a member of SFFD?

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    Anybody know why Chief Trevino is leaving?

    Reply: He wanted to leave ealier because his father is ill. Da Mayor Brown held him unitl the election.

    The SF Chronicle wrote:
    She quickly moved through the ranks, becoming a captain in 1996 and an assistant deputy chief in the division of support services two years later. For the last four years, she has been the director of training, overseeing the development of hundreds of new firefighters.
    Ummmmmmmm.

    Further:

    John Hanley, president of Local 798 of the International Firefighters Union, welcomed the appointment of Hayes-White and said the membership was excited by the selection.

    Excited?

    And this from someone on the inside in SF:

    Our new "chief" is VERY tied in with SF politics. Or should I say her father is. This may prove to be very beneficial. She has, however, virtually ZERO command experience and very little field experience.

    We shall see. Only in San Francisco. They don't call it the Peoples Republic of San Francisco for nothing. One of the most if not the most liberal cities in the country. This from a city that will pay $50,000 for you or your partners sex change operation.

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    I suppose that the biggest thing that bothers me about this is the fact that such a big deal is made about the new chief's gender. I couldn't care less if you are male, female, a hemaphrodite, or a freakin' chimpanzee. If you can do the job as the minimum standards require you to, and you can pull my butt out should I, or one of our company mates go down I don't care. When this is achieved, equality will be present.

    I do have a problem with a 14 year officer being appointed chief, especially if they have very little line experience. If your administration cannot connect with the men and women on the line, how do you expect to get support or respect from them? Morale suffers, and that is a dangerous thing in any department. I am not saying this candidate is or isn't qualified, I just get queasy when someone rises through the ranks so quickly. You have very little time to learn the job of Lieutenant, Captain, or Deputy and be able to adapt to the responsibility of each position before you move on. Very few people are able to do so, thus you have to prove to me that you are worthy of my personal respect, as any officer will have to do.

    The other thing is that this is San Francisco. Political correctness is a huge part of how the city operates. Unfortunately, even if a candidate is extremely qualified, you have to wonder how politically connected they are for any position they are appointed to. This is why many civil service programs were initiated, to remove politics, or at least minimize their impact. These political undercurrents can affect the membership's opinion of that leader.
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    First off, I will concur that any Fire Chief position is pretty much a political situation. And the person that is being appointed, generally has had an inside track, and learnt how to push the right buttons. Secondly, a Cheif generally does a lot of adminsitration, budgeting, and general running the show, and if she is good at that, then she might do okay. Thirdly.... hopefully she doesn't decide that she wants to IC large incidents. By the sounds of what I've read, the individual in question does not have the background to handle them. The bottom line, if there where a list of equally qualified canidates, she probably got it cause she is a woman. People get up in arms when someone calls a spade a spade, but this is the bottom line. In my area, if you are a female, or a "person of color" you have a better chance of getting hired than regular old joe white guy. It is a fact of life, but not everyone wants to admit to it. I have nothing against these folks getting on, but when people try to deny the facts in the name of political correctness, it burns my butt! I wish her luck. Hopefully they will at least give her a chance before hanging her. Anyway you slice it she may have it tough for a while!

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