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    Fire crew quits over porn
    By JOHN HOLLAND BEE STAFF WRITER

    Last Updated: January 16, 2004, 05:16:45 AM PST

    KEYES -- A dispute involving adult entertainment has prompted a majority of firefighters to quit the town's volunteer fire department.

    And while firefighters push for a meeting with the Keyes Fire Protection District board of directors, nearby fire companies have pledged to help Keyes on major calls.

    Capt. Herb Collier, one of the 17 volunteers who resigned Tuesday night, said Thursday that they are upset at the actions of Assistant Chief Roger Jones, son of Chief Eddie Jones, and Roger Jones' wife, Alexas, a Keyes firefighter featured on her own pornographic Web site.

    Collier said Roger and Alexas Jones, who face criminal charges stemming from an exotic dance show in Modesto last year, have talked about adult entertainment at the fire station. Collier also said Roger Jones got a district cadet fired Monday for failing to pay fees to browse Alexas Jones' Web site.

    "We feel pretty strongly that there needs to be a separation between the pornography and the fire service," Collier said.

    Roger and Alexas Jones denied mixing adult entertainment matters with their service to the district. The assistant chief also said the cadet was fired for defrauding a Web site -- not his wife's -- by not paying its entry fee.

    Jones said the cadet committed such fraud twice since early December while on duty at the fire station. Collier disagreed, saying access to the Web site came at the cadet's home. The cadet's identity has not been revealed.

    Firefighter Noel Eisaui said he and other volunteers "just dropped our gear and walked out" after learning that the cadet had been fired.

    "There's a whole lot of drama going on in the department," Eisaui said.

    The district responds to fires, medical calls and other emergencies in the town of Keyes and nearby rural land. Roger Jones said six cadets and 11 full-fledged firefighters resigned, leaving eight firefighters.

    Adjacent fire districts have pledged to help if the reduced staff at Keyes gets a major call, Roger Jones said. He also said he has interviews scheduled for Saturday with 10 applicants for firefighter positions. The volunteers earn $5 per call.

    Rick Fortado, chief of the Turlock Rural Fire Protection District, said all fire departments have standing agreements with nearby agencies to help out when staffing is short.

    Turlock Rural will help with calls on the south side of the Keyes district, and the Ceres Fire Protection District stands ready on the north, Fortado said.

    "If Keyes needs six months to train their (new) personnel, we have no problem backing Keyes up," he said.

    Firefighters could return

    Collier said the firefighters who resigned hope to take their concerns to the board of directors and if the situation can be resolved, the firefighters will return to duty. None of the five board members could be reached Thursday.

    Eddie Jones declined to comment. Collier said part of the problem is that the chief does not want to discipline his son.

    Alexas Jones, a seven-year volunteer with the district, acknowledged that she is the woman who goes by the name Chantel Lace on the Web. Along with explicit photographs, the site notes her appearances in adult videos and magazines, as well as her attendance at last week's Adult Expo in Las Vegas. The site offers lingerie for sale through a post office box.

    Jones said she created the Web site because other people were profiting from photographs of her from several years ago. "If they're going to be out there, I might as well be making money off them," she said.

    Her husband added: "It's called freedom of expression, and speech also. It's not illegal."

    Modesto police in April arrested the couple at a private party where she was accused of performing as an exotic dancer.

    Alexas Jones faces charges of prostitution and failing to have a permit for adult dancing. She said she refused continually to provide sexual favors to an undercover officer. She also said she believed she was covered by a permit in the name of the company that employed her.

    Roger Jones is accused of carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. He said it belonged to his wife, who did have a permit.

    The cases have not gone to trial.

    Roger Jones said the fired cadet committed fraud by billing his Web site views to a checking account, then canceling the orders -- after viewing the site.

    Jones said a logbook shows that the fraud took place while the cadet was at the station. Collier said the station does not have an Internet connection, but Jones said access can be gained by plugging a laptop computer into a telephone line there.

    "What you do at home is your own business, what you surf at home is your own business, but what you do at the department is the department's business," Jones said.

    Special meeting sought

    The district board has a regular monthly meeting scheduled Wednesday, but dissident firefighters said they hope for a special meeting sooner.

    Roger Jones, a 24-year veteran of the district, said he hopes the walkouts come back. "We have no hard feelings," he said.

    Collier, who joined the district in the spring after serving with the Burbank-Paradise Fire Protection District near Modesto, said the atmosphere in Keyes has to change.

    "What we're having a problem believing is that we're supposed to be a fire department -- serve and protect the community -- and we're having to talk about pornography. And that's kind of silly."
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    EXACT REASON WHY THE INTERNET IS NOT ACCESABLE ON OUR COMPUTER IN MY FIREHOUSE....FOR THAT FACT ONLY THE OFFICERS HAVE ACCESS TO THE STATION COMPUTER AND WE HAVE NO INTERNET ACCESS ANYWAY.....IF YOU WANT TO PLAY ON A COMPUTER DO IT AT HOME....

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    OMG ...............where is George >? first it is alcohol in the staions and no porno kings and queens ................what a proud moment for the Keyes FD.
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    First a female firefighter calendar TOO HOT for a national fire expo and now this.
    And you know what? The fact that you have a couple wanting to express their freedom of expression and speech is a god given right, but it is affecting the business of the fire department and I have a problem with that.
    In our fire department by-laws, it states that if a firefighter brings embarassment or disrepute to the fire department, they can be removed.
    I believe that the young lady has a right to be a porno star. SHE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE A FIREFIGHTER. That is a privilege.
    And the concealed weapon thing with the husband bothers me too. Why is there a need to carry weapons?
    This story has all of the makings of a serious embarassment for the Keyes Fire Protection District. Hope it get resolved.
    Out of curiousity, is the number at the station a 900 number?
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    Out of curiousity, is the number at the station a 900 number?
    OMG !!!!!!!!!!! ROLFMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!! now thats funny I dont care who ya are !
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    Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
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    I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
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    Could ya' imagine officer elections at this firehouse?

    'ya my vote is for the porn queen'
    "When you are safe at home, you wish you were having an adventure-when you're having an adventure, you wish you were safe at home"

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    Sounds to me that there are lots of problems in Keyes and the porn issue is just the tip of the iceburg!
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    MOTHER OF GOD!!!

    Just when you thought you had heard it all...

    Or in Alexas's case seen it all...

    I cant even comprehend this. Let me get this straight.

    Assistant Chief "Rong Jeremy" and firefighter "Jenna Jamison" lead a rather colorfull private life and side buisness. That is their buisness, except they put it in the face of their VFD. An impressinable cadet is impressed by the "skills" of firefigher Alexas and is intreaged to the point of atempting to aquire more "knoledge". In his yougthfull exuberance the young lad (lass?) sits down at the VFDs computer and goes to "Find Em Hot Leave Em Wet dot com" or whatever the webpage is. Poor judgement by the cadets part The page was likely bookmarked in the computer by the colorfull couple in the first place. Said cadet does not give his credit card number...assistant chief makes some calls and gets him fired (from what? How can you get fired form a VFD?).

    WTF.

    Has anybody checked out Fierfigher Alexas exercising her first amendments rights yet?
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    Has firehouse.com been covering this? I havent been following that closely, but I would like to go back and read the entire issue from the first report. firehouse usualy keeps the link for mutiple articls on each report?

    How about a website for Keyes VFD. Just curious if they have one.

    Sounds like a lively place!
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    Things that don't add up:

    We don't have fire station internet access...
    But someone could hookup to the phone line...
    But the cadet must've committed the fraud from here since the log book shows he was here...

    If it was me, instead of saying a log book I'd want a telephone bill as the timestamp evidence.

    And I find it doubtful for $25/month or whatever the porno site was charging they'd pay an attorney $100/hour to subponea ISP records to trace an IP to an incoming phone line, then subponea Telco records to relate that incoming line to a specific number that placed the call, then track down the fire department????

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    I guess they really have an interesting cameras-in-the-firehouse debate.

    Like Dal says, lots of stuff just doesn't make sense. Their 'tracking' explanation doesn't square with the no-internet-in-the-station statement.

    Aside from that issue, You've got a teenager kicked off the department for not paying his porno site access fee. Well, first off, who has ever heard of a teenage male (I assume) trying to get free access to a porn site? That is hardly a firing offense if he was doing it from home. Secondly, this is an adult-content site so the mere admission that he got in sounds like they've admitted to a crime.

    On the other hand, the story said the BOD meeting is Wednesday. En-mass quitting simply because they can't wait 6 days seems a very childish act.

    This bunch has a ton of problems.

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    Welcome to another episode of:
    "We're Our Own Worst Enemy"

    Obvious statement of the day:
    "We feel pretty strongly that there needs to be a separation between the pornography and the fire service," Collier said.
    You have got to be kdding me.

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    All I can say is DAMN
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    firefighter "Jenna Jamison"
    LMAO!! Have you seen "Flashpoint"????????

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    In a single word:

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    HHMMM! Sounds like a dept. near here only the board removed the officers for not putting a stop to the porn.

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    Of good lord. I'm not even going to comment on this. I thought I had problems with BS on the computer here. This takes the cake.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    I'm still waiting for someone to post the link to her website so that I can see for myself if she's really all that.
    So porn stars can't be firefighters? Sad. Anyone who wants to serve their community should be allowed to do so. What about someone who owns or operates a Bar? Someone may be offended by his establishment serving the Devils water. What about doctors or nursing staff that work in family planning clinics? Can't have those evil baby killers trying to put out a fire. Where does it stop?

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    Another black eye for the Fire Service. Not just Volly or Paid, but all of us. The media just loves crap like this. As for anyone being a firefighter, why is there the question on most applications asking if you have ever been convicted of a felony??
    We all have to represent our departments ,communities and the Fire service in general. Yes I know, what goes on in our own houses is one thing, but when it comes out into the public eye like this, it is not tolerable. Why would this be any different than someone being charged with DWI or some other crime or untastefull activity.
    Whether we condone what she does or not, we have to remember that the public is watching. and yes I went to one of her sites and looked for myself, but it was only to see if it was true. (had my wife sitting here when I did because she was curious as well). We saw a promo on one of the national news shows about this. so everyone will be watching.
    This will probably make her dirty bra and panty business skyrocket, and for all of our sake I hope nobody posts her link on here. this is not the place for it.
    On the lighter side, (if there is one) this sure opens up tons of jokes and one liners.... Hose training,,,,Etc.
    But it is a shame that the media mainly is looking for dirt instead of good. They just love building someone up and then love it even more when they can knock them down.
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    cellblock...

    Are you serious? A business owner, even a bar owner doesn't compare to a porn star.

    And you could not possibly be more wrong with this statement of yours: "Anyone who wants to serve their community should be allowed to do so." Sorry my community runs a background check on all FF applicants and there are many reasons why you cannot be a firefighter where I live. All applicants sign a waiver allowing this, if they don't, the application is denied. So, sorry not everyone can serve. Or at least they should not be allowed to serve.

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    The Mercury News has a story with a little more detail about firefighter Jones. In addition to her other activities, the story says that she also claims to be "self-described secret agent with the Department of Defense". In the story, the motivation behind her website is to "use all the money I raise to buy back all those photos of me -- and then destroy them and my site".

    Okay ma'am, whatever you say.

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    I have deep respect for these firefighters stanidng up for one of thier own in the face of bigger, higer ranking individuals who are wrong. Bottom line, she brought discredti to the department. Volunteer fire departments, all over the nation need suppport, to do this is a disgrace, you guys come back to work you can do more good thier, your department, needs you now more than ever. Change has to come from inside. Force this so called officer and his wife out, reclaim your department. Don't let them run the good guys off. Keep your heads up, this firefighter, in Colorado fully supports every one of you, and to the corrupt officer and his wife, I wish you would do the honorable thing and resign.

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    question posed by FyredUp to Cellblock776: Are you serious?
    I have no doubt that he was.
    quote from FyredUp too: And you could not possibly be more wrong with this statement of yours: "Anyone who wants to serve their community should be allowed to do so."
    I bet there's more than just 2 of us that feel that way.

    posted by Cellblock776: So porn stars can't be firefighters? Sad. Anyone who wants to serve their community should be allowed to do so.
    I think "serving" her community was probably what got her the prostitution charge.

    posted by EFD 840:In addition to her other activities, the story says that she also claims to be "self-described secret agent with the Department of Defense".
    I guess that little gig is over now, huh?!

    also posted by EFD 840: In the story, the motivation behind her website is to "use all the money I raise to buy back all those photos of me -- and then destroy them and my site".
    OMG!! That's just too much!! I...can't...breath!!
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