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    Are there any firefighter/lawyers out there? If so, did you attend law school while you were a firefighter? I would like to go to law school and continue firefighting. I work a 56 hour week.


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    Not yet anyway.

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    I know 2 guys on Providence and one on West Warwick that are all lawyers. All of them were firefighters first and went to law school at night. I assume they found fill ins while at class.

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    Talking Sing it with me...

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    Do some real good for someone, go to med school!

    Seriously, good luck to you, whatever you choose.
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    Just a thought...

    http://www.lawschoolbible.com/

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    The President of my Fire Department is a Lawer employed with the State. He has his FF1 and Haz-Mat Certs and is a Medical First Responder too.

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    I am not a lawyer but my wife is, after making a career change about ten years ago, and I felt like I could have passed the bar exam after living with her those three years of law school. So giving you my qualifications I tell you this:

    1. Unless you can pull a 4.0 GPA or have family connections the big firms (+money) will not look at you, there are too many that will have those grades or connections.

    2. Lisa tried working PART-TIME her first year and all she accomplished was wearing herself out and nearly ruining her GPA (See 1)

    3. On the other hand you never know until you try. I know of a firefighter that just completed his Ph.d finishing all his degrees on shift, working after hours at the station and on his off time, so I am sure it can be done if you are willing to pay the price. There are no dress rehersals in life, you get one shot, follow your dreams, leave nothing on the table.

    4. One final note, Lisa says the worst part about being a lawyer is having to deal with other lawyers, go figure, and good luck.

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    I did not do law school, but I took 3.5 years to get a master's degree while working a 56 hour shift on a moderately busy (6-8 runs a tour) engine company. It can be done. I know of a District of Columbia firefighter who completed engineering school while working on a busy heavy rescue company.

    Couple of suggestions:

    1) Obtain "Getting What You Came for: The Smart Student's Guide to Earning a Master's or Ph.D" Robert L. Peters (1997) Noonday Press ISBN 0374524777 $15 retail, $10.50 amazon. It is one of the more pragmatic guides to obtaining an advanced degree. Covers NOTHING about law school, but I am sure you can find a similar book.

    2) Get in and participate with an academic support group - a group of like-minded folks who will help each other out (notes, study groups, etc.)

    3) Research your exchange-of-shift and leave policies with your anticipated school schedule. It was difficult for me to get annual leave or exchanges during hunting season/holidays but I was able to "purchase" a one-way shift exchange when I really needed to be in class.

    4) As others suggest, talk to those who did it. You are not the first working firefighter going to law school (Jim Page did it in the 1970s as a LA County Captain). Suggest you try the local bar associations. You should also check with the local/state IAFF and IAFC offices, firefighter-litigators are a rare breed.

    Check Page, Wolfberg & Wirth - while they are an ems specialty law firm, they may know of some folks like you: http://www.pwwemslaw.com/

    Good luck!

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    Thank you for your replies.

    I will use my degree for GOOD not evil. People sue fire departments and firefighters often. I would like to help defend these departments and firefighters.

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    Better head over to Niles, Ohio, my friend

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