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    It is a manner for these people to continue to be elected and stay in office for decades, a la Ted Kennedy, Strom Thurmond, John McCain, or Richard Byrd. Don't insult my intelligence by telling me otherwise.
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    That's Robert Byrd's Conservative Republican brother.
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    Sorry, Robert Byrd. I was dead tired this morning, I haven't been sleeping well lately. Thank you for the correction.

    Campaign reform was passed by both the House and Senate and signed by President Bush... what political affliation are the majority leaders?
    I understand this. Sadly it is true. Again, many, myself included, feel that this law benefits only the incumbents, by restricting criticism of voting records, past actions. I was upset when the President signed the legislation saying something like I sign this legislation hoping that the Supreme Court will overturn it. If you don't agree with it WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SIGNING THE DAMNED THING? I may be a Republican, but that does not mean I am happy with what they do all the time nor that I cannot criticize them. I will say that there are problems when both houses of congress and the executive branch are "controlled" by the same party, it is usually not the best of instance to be in. Remember, a whole lot of Democrats voted for this bill as well. The majority may be Republican, but not enough are in either house to pass the bill without a whole lot of help.

    The American public is to blame for keeping these people in office for decades. See, if they don't get the votes, they don't stay.
    I totally agree with you. This is why I have a problem, and usually do not vote for anyone who has been in an office for 10 years. You have become part of the problem, and are too ensconched in the system. Therein lies a major problem I would / will have voting for Kerry, Lieberman (Who I actually like very much), or Gephardt.

    The apathy in this country astounds me.
    Again, I agree with you totally. The incumbents and political hacks like it that way though. Not a conspiracy theorist, but the fewer voters, the easier it si to get elected, you have to focus on fewer fringes, and fewer problems.

    I don't need TV or radio ads shoved down my throat to be aware that there is an election and decide who to vote for. In fact, I don't base my opinion on them at all.
    Understood, I don't necessarily either, I do research many facts and histories gleaned from ads. Unfortunately, here are HUGE numbers of voters that do rely upon those ads. I am astonished at how many people do not know who they will vote for until they actually get into the booths. The other thing, is that if some candidate makes a mistake or new information is found, it cannot be brought ot light unless the media brings it forth. Again, it benefits incumbents.

    I have always enjoyed listening to people criticize the politicians and yelling and screaming about the government, and then you ask them whether they voted in the last election, local, county, state, or federal, and they say no. Then don't complain. Your lack of voting for ANY candidate is part of the problem as well.

    Sharkie, I did not mean to insult your intelligence.
    I understand that. I only wished for you to understand where I was coming from, not necessarily agree with me. I only want you know and understand where a differeing opinion is based.
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    MANCHESTER, N.H. - Sen. John Kerry bagged his second straight impressive victory yesterday, cruising past Howard Dean with another double-digit win.
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    Is it just my eyes this early in the morning or does Harold S--tburger and the lady to Kerry's left look like they were super-imposed into the picture?

    I am not a Kerry fan at all, but I am so glad to see Howard Dean losing his arse off in these primaries. I think the only thing he has won so far was the DC Fake Me Out Primary. And we all know that aside from the Federal Government property and a few neat galleries, DC is nothing but a 3rd world ghetto in the United States.

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    He still won't top Bush though

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    Again, it is not a federal responsibilty to ensure that you have bunker gear, radios, PASS devices, new fire engines, fire prevention, etc.. It is the local government's responsibility.
    I think we've been through this before. Obviously, local governments either can't, or won't, do what needs to be done for their fire departments. Hence, the need for federal help. Grants like these ultimately help the people, not just fire departments.

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    And again, it is our fault for not pushing our local politicians for the proper equipment. When they won't give it to us, it is our fault for not telling the public that they are endangering our lives, and theirs. Not D.C.'s problem to take care of me or my department / agency.


    Is it just my eyes this early in the morning or does Harold S--tburger and the lady to Kerry's left look like they were super-imposed into the picture?
    That lady on his left is his wife, Theresa Heinz Kerry, as in Heinz ketchup. Used to be married to Sen. Heinz from Pennsylvania until he died in a plane crash. The picture does make it look so though.
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    Those t-shirts look even better in person, as do the signs and bumper stickers. You can really see the IAFF.....someday maybe they'll be at the inaugural....

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    Here are some interesting facts about "The Union Fireman's Friend," John Forbes Kerry.



    http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm


    I am glad he is the IAFF's Buddy, because he sure isn't the buddy of any Soldiers. What a LOSER!

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    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    Here are some interesting facts about "The Union Fireman's Friend," John Forbes Kerry.



    http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm


    I am glad he is the IAFF's Buddy, because he sure isn't the buddy of any Soldiers. What a LOSER!
    I think:
    1. No man should be disrespected because he served in our military in a foregin war. It is by the grace of God that he wasn't killed.

    2. No man who served should ever disrespect the US Military and use a distortion of fact and/or the bravery of others to advance his own ambitions.

    3. This guy could only get elected as a Senator in MA or NY. He is a disgrace to the uniform he used to wear and will be an embarrassment to this country.

    4. The GOP National Committee has probably adopted the slogan of the Wicked Witch of the West when it comes to bringing all this stuff to the forefront; "All in good time, my pretty. All in good time".

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    George, I had read some stuff about him in the American Legion Magazine that my dad gets, but I didn't know it was as bad as that website exposed!

    I would not disrespect the man because he served, and as minor as his wounds may have been, he earned his decorations. However he did the equivalent of Spitting on a Soldier and calling him a "Baby Killer." I hope this is brought to light in a national spectrum prior to the General Election.

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    If it is brought to light, it will be interesting. One can only imagine who will come out of the woodwork in defense or support of him and his past actions. Sadly, most people have forgotten about his actions in Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the left wingers will just eat that action up as we fight this new war that we are in. It proves he is still one of those radical anti-war people, , and has been all along. This plays right into the hands of many people in Hollyweird and you will see all of them come flying out of the woodwork to speak in support of him.

    Unlike many, I think GWB has a pretty tough fight ahead of him, whether he faces, Dean, Kerry, or Edwards. I don't feel he has too much of an advantage, there are too many angles for him to be attacked by the Dems.
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    Unlike many, I think GWB has a pretty tough fight ahead of him, whether he faces, Dean, Kerry, or Edwards. I don't feel he has too much of an advantage, there are too many angles for him to be attacked by the Dems.
    I absolutely think you are right. But the fight will be with the media.

    He will have an uphill battle on Iraq. He will have to get the message out that the intelligence that he was provided with sucked and that was the basis for his decisions. He didn't lie.

    He will have a good fight on the war on terror as long as our anti-terrorism efforts continue to be sucessful.

    He will have the easiest time with the economy. Their best argument seems to be that there weren't "enough" jobs created. OK. He's working on that. Low inflation, low interest rates, cos. starting to hire again, high consumer confidence, huge real estate market, all bode well.

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    Wanna go toe to toe? Web link to web link?Lets compare past history.
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    Jeepers. Just saw a news story that reported that workers' wages and benefits went up 0.7% in the last quarter. Was Kerry responsible for that?

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    Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Wanna go toe to toe? Web link to web link?Lets compare past history.
    That's the best you can do?

    You would be insulting a whole lot of people if you try to insinuate that service in the National Guard is any less honorable than other types of military service.

    The DUI thing is history. He acknowledged it, admitted his mistake, apologized and moved on.

    He was honorably dicharged. Period. So was Kerry. I, for one, refuse to disparage Kerry's military service. What I take great exception to is Kerry's treatment of his serviceman brothers after he was discharged.

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    Default My point is... To no one in particular

    You can post "opinion based web pages" all you want..It's 2004 ..Not 1974. I dont know if any of these things are true. Do you?
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    I re-read the link I posted, and I dont see where it says anything about the National Guard being "less honorable" and if you think I AM insinuating that is the case, you are wrong George.
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    ..It's 2004 ..Not 1974.
    The facts presented in that link go up to as recently as 1996 and has a picture of Kerry and Teddy "DWI driver of the year award winner" Kennedy in a 2002 picture.

    Yes, Kerry has an outstanding service record. But it stopped when he got out of the Military, he then began spitting on the very people he was charged with leading. He is a Crock.

    You vote for Lurch and I will vote for Dubya, I am feeling that the IAFF members who support Kerry are going to be sorely disappointed in November (as you were in Nov. 2000, and Nov. 1996 and so on and so on...) And to the members who do not support Kerry, you should sue the Union for your $$$ back that went to his failure campaign.

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