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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman

    Oh, hogwash. The Democrats are not the ones who want to force their brand of morals and religion on the entire country. Now THAT'S what I call "totalitarian."

    Yea, the Democrats want to force their IMMORALITY and Secular Humanism (also a religion)on the entire country. THATS what I call scary!!!

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    Yea, the Democrats want to force their IMMORALITY and Secular Humanism (also a religion)on the entire country. THATS what I call scary!!!
    When did the Democrats obtain the exclusive right to "immorality"?

    Trust me, you don't want to start that debate. Everyone remembers and wants to call into play Clintons adultery, no one seems to remember Newt Gingrich and his gal pal.

    Wake up people. The "your not a christian, so you must be evil" type of argument just doesn't hold water. I am tired of conservatives playing the "God" card. How or even if I choose to worship has nothing to do with how I live my life. I assure you a am far more virtuous than many of those in the Christian right who go around screaming about family values.

    It is funny how the same people who want to ram God into the government refuse to allow those in Iraq to have anything but a secular government. Of course, they don't believe in your God, so they must be stopped.
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Duffman
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    When did the Democrats obtain the exclusive right to "immorality"?

    Trust me, you don't want to start that debate. Everyone remembers and wants to call into play Clintons adultery, no one seems to remember Newt Gingrich and his gal pal.

    I didn't start the debate, it was already started. I was replying to the fact that he said Democrats aren't forcing morals on the country. "THATS HOGWASH" abortion on demand (partial birth abortion), gay "rights", gun control..etc are all "morals" (immorals??) being forced on us everyday!

    I remember Newt's ordeal quite well. Maybe the fact that he did the honorable thing and resigned is why it isn't discussed as much.

    Christains ARE NOT perfect... just FORGIVEN! Go and see Mel Gibsons " The Passion of Christ " and see what Jesus did for you and me!!!

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    I didn't start the debate, it was already started. I was replying to the fact that he said Democrats aren't forcing morals on the country. "THATS HOGWASH" abortion on demand (partial birth abortion), gay "rights", gun control..etc are all "morals" (immorals??) being forced on us everyday!
    Gun control as an issue of morals? That is an interesting perspective. I never really though of it that way.

    Christains ARE NOT perfect... just FORGIVEN! Go and see Mel Gibsons " The Passion of Christ " and see what Jesus did for you and me!!!
    I love it. You complain that gay rights,abortion, and gun control are being "forced on you" and then you push your religion at me in the next breath.

    I never said christians view themselves as perfect. Many, yourself included, deem themselves morally superior.

    Morally superior because you ask for forgiveness? Sorry, not buying it.

    As for the movie, I'll pass. I know the story. Saw it in at least three other movies.

    I am done with this now. Last time I checked this thread was about John Kerry and the presidential race. Time to turn back toward the topic.
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    I agree with Duff. This thread is about the current front runner, good or bad, John Kerry. What are his views, stands, personal background, and the like.

    The religion argument is circular and will never be settled, even within christianity, there are Catholics, Sevent-Day Adventists, Baptists, Pentacostals, Episcopalians, Methodists, and the rest of the denominations. Every one has their own twist on worship so within our own "christianity" tehre is still no settled issue.

    As for Christians being forgiven, I think you should re-read the Bible, Jesus Christ died for everyone, forgives everyone, chirstians, atheists, Jews,, Muslims, etc...,

    Christains ARE NOT perfect... just FORGIVEN!
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    Yea, the Democrats want to force their IMMORALITY and Secular Humanism (also a religion)on the entire country. THATS what I call scary!!!
    Oh, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. How convenient that you can infringe on other's freedoms, simply because your johnny-come-lately belief system deems it immoral. Humanism is NOT a religion. Go ahead; look it up. Try something besides stupid straw-man tactics. It's all about freedom and equality. Your gay-bashing is stupid, and alludes to your intelligence. When someone here explains why African-Americans shouldn't sit in the front of a bus or be reduced to half-human status, then maybe I'll understand why gay and lesbians shouldn't be afforded the same rights as the rest of the nation. As for guns, they should be controlled; just like everything else in this nation is regulated.
    Christains ARE NOT perfect... just FORGIVEN! Go and see Mel Gibsons " The Passion of Christ " and see what Jesus did for you and me!!!
    Big deal; he did nothing more than thousands of mere humans that hit the beaches in Normandy. It's all unfounded fable, anyway. But, I respect your right to chose the barbaric blood cult of your choice.

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    Whats even more scary is the Right to Free Speech only applies if you are a left leaning type. If you are a Conservative or a Moderate and you speak freely, they will call the ACLU and make sure you are shut up quickly. Such a Double Standard.


    Off topic but, did anyone hear about the ACLU suing the Federal Government and the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Administration for the right to hang "Pro-Marijuana" ads in Public Service Announcement slots on Subway cars?

    Example of one of the supposed "PSA's" is: Want to have Great Sex? Smoke Marijuana"

    Personally, Marijuana does not serve the public and WMATA (A Taxpayer funded agency) was right to take them down. What I can't believe is these idiots at the ACLU actually thinking they have a case. What if the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood wanted to put PSA's up in Subway cars? Would the ACLU be there to defend them? Nope, the ACLU is a dealer of immorality and an escape into lawlessness.

    Message to the aging hippies at the ACLU: POT IS ILLEGAL! YOU CANNOT ADVERTISE AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE IN A PUBLIC SPACE PAID FOR BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT~ WOODSTOCK IS OVER AND THE ARE NOT GOING TO LEGALIZE POT!

    What a bunch of Morons.

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    Actually, the ACLU did go to court to defend the right of the American Nazi Party to stage a march in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood in Skokie, Illinois.

    I want to thank them, for it inspired one of the great scenes in The Blues brothers!
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    I want to thank them, for it inspired one of the great scenes in The Blues brothers!
    Man, I LOVE that movie!!!
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    more recently the ACLU took sides with Rush Limbaugh regarding the privacy of his medical records.
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    African-Americans
    If they weren't born in Africa, how come we call them African-americans?
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    Originally posted by DaSharkie
    As for Christians being forgiven, I think you should re-read the Bible, Jesus Christ died for everyone, forgives everyone, chirstians, atheists, Jews,, Muslims, etc...,

    I think you need to re-read the bible

    Everyone, regardless of current belief is offered forgiveness, but you are not forgiven unless you ask for it, and believe in it. At which point, you are a Christian.

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    Bones, you just asked the million dollar question! And the answer is? We don't have one! It's just the PC thing to do. I have ancestry in County Cork in Ireland, but do I call my self an Irish-American? NO!

    You know there was a White Kid, born in Johannesburg South Africa that was denied entry into the "Outstanding African-American Student Award" Contest at a High School in California! Why? Because he was WHITE! This kid is more African-American than Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton combined, but he was denied the award. Why not just call it the "Outstanding black Student Award?"

    Gonzo, Duff...both of you presented very good examples of the fact that the ACLU supports immorality, indeceny and bigotry in this country. Yes people, Rush Limbaugh was wrong in his actions. He admitted that and he deserves whatever punishment is given to him. The Illinois Nazi Party was wrong as well. Discrimination in any form is WRONG.

    Everyone wants to call themselves some special label name in order to garner some type of special treatment. No group deserves any special treatment. Equality of man is the best way, no Affirmative Action, No special scholarships none of it. If you want something, you earn it the old fashoined way.

    On a sidenote (Back to Kerry,) it seems the IAFF basically supports Kerry because he is willing to push the IAFF Special Interest Agenda. Would the IAFF Support a buffoon like Al Sharpton or Dennis Kucinich or some other Socialist if he were willing to push the IAFF Agenda?
    Is the IAFF agenda more important to the IAFF than National Security or Immigration Reform or Tax Cuts? If we have no nation left because of John Kerry's bad National Defense voting record, where will the IAFF and it's members work to benefit from that agenda? The agenda of an organization that represents your career should not be more important than the agenda of you personally to have a safe affordable place to care for your family.

    I can guarantee you one thing, if Kerry wins and we get attacked again, the IAFF ain't gonna help you, a Strong National defense will. And this goes for all special interest groups looking to push an agenda with John Kerry.

    PS: the examples I used of the KKK and Aryan Brotherhood were bad ones to use. I forgot the ACLU defended the Nazi Party and the right of the KKK to hold a rally in the past. I should have used Pro-life or Pro-religion groups. My apologies.
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    If they weren't born in Africa, how come we call them African-americans?

    I don't call them African-American, or "blacks" or "negroes" or anything like that. I call them people.
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    I don't call them African-American, or "blacks" or "negroes" or anything like that. I call them people.
    I am with you Duff, but unfortunately, there are some people out there who look at it differently. If you are in a group of black people and say black instead of African American, then you are scolded. You live here? Are you a citizen of the United States of America? Then where you were born or where your lineage is based means absolutely nothing.

    As for "The Blues Brothers" here's a story for you....

    When I took driver's ed in high school, my teacher brought in a tape of "The Blues Brothers", we watched it with instructions to write down every motor vehicle violation we saw. Took up a few sheets of paper.
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    Thought this a funny pic........... Comparing Kerry to Don Flamenco (I think that was his name) from "Mike Tyson's Punch Out", one of the original Nintendo games.......
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