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    Lightbulb why

    This is easy, get the boys some help, test on a regular basis to ensure compliance, learn from it and move on.

    There is absolutely no need to sit here and say this and that about anything other than what we actually know!!

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    From the New York Post ...

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    January 31, 2004 -- Two veteran city firefighters are feeling the heat today after being caught singing "Born to Run" and swigging Bud Light in an East Village karaoke bar while in uniform and on duty.
    Both are members of the Fire Department's Public Assembly Unit, which inspects bars, restaurants and other public venues.

    The pair - a lieutenant and a captain - were smoked out by a passer-by who called 911 after spotting them through the plate-glass window of Karaoke Sing Sing, at 81 Ave. A, sitting at the bar downing brewskis, sources said.

    The irate caller told the 911 operator, "There are firemen in uniform and they are drinking at the bar," a police source said.

    After cops responded and Fire Department brass were notified, the two - Lt. Robert Doherty, 44, and Capt. Terence Walsh, 40 - were suspended without pay by Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta pending a full probe by his Bureau of Investigations and Trials.

    Their alleged workday singing-swigging session came just days after Scoppetta told a new crop of lieutenants "drinking on the job or alcohol in the firehouse is totally unacceptable . . . we have a zero-tolerance policy."

    Bar manager Ray Noaki said the two fire officers stop in about once a month. Noaki said the pair had quaffed beers in uniform on at least two previous occasions, and never paid for their drinks.

    On Thursday, he said, they dropped by shortly before 8 p.m. and told the bartender they wanted to see the certificate of occupancy.

    She told them she didn't know where it was because it was in the process of being renewed, "which they knew," Noaki said.

    The bartender called Noaki at home and he told her to keep them there and he'd be right over.

    "Give them whatever they want. Don't charge them," he recalled telling her. He said the two entertained themselves and about eight other patrons, singing Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run" and another number together.

    When he arrived shortly after 9:30, he said, cops were questioning them.

    Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said a sergeant from the 9th Precinct responded to the 911 call and found "firefighters there in uniform. We called the Fire Department and it was handled administratively through the Fire Department."

    FDNY officials would not discuss the case yesterday, and refused to say if Walsh and Doherty had undergone sobriety tests.

    A source said police told FDNY brass both men were "found to be fit for duty" and that cops determined they "had barely consumed a beer."

    Naoki said both were in the middle of their second Bud Light when police arrived.

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    Lets put everything in perspective the FDNY employes well over 10000 people...your basic small city. If they have a couple of assualts,a few drinking problems and the every now and then drug problem, I would say that they are not doing that bad of a job of policing there own. If you think about it how many people here live or work in a perfect place.
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    ... and the plot thickens ...
    And one has nothing to do with the other.

    I am not condoning anything, but figure it out. These guys are firemen, and like the LT said "a small city", I believe its more like 12,000. So in the past, lets say 8 weeks, you have had an assault, a raid which produced old booze with no consumption and 2 guys with trace amounts of coke in their system, and then 2 guys that "had a moment" and sang kareoke(sp). Anyone wanna bet who the 911 caller was?

    So, out of 12,000 guys you have 4 that have been found in the wrong, plus a whole bunch that got nailed by circumstance. (ie. beer in the house, the details surrounding the fight, etc etc) Figure it in percentages folks. Its like .05% of the force that is having issues, yet its the front page of the paper.

    So if your Department of 30 guys had the same percentage of "problems" it would equal .015 of a person. Doesn't necessarily make it right, but should put it in perspective.

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    Maybe it's just that people are now noticing the problems instead of "keeping it inhouse" and hiding them.
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    ....and maybe some people (papers, brass, etc) have an axe to grind and make it front page news.....

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    FDNY Firefighter Put on Desk Duty After Steroid Bust
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    A hottie Bravest who moonlights as a raunchy nude stripper has been put on desk duty after being busted for steroid possession, authorities said yesterday.

    Rodney St. Cloud, the muscle-bound "Mr. April" in the Fire Department's official 2004 calendar - and a k a beefcake "Hot Rod" in the exotic-dancing world - was taken off the line at Engine Co. 43/Ladder 59 in The Bronx after his arrest last May 23, sources said.

    The two-year veteran was found with "a large shipment of [anabolic] steroids," one source told The Post. "But the grand jury was dismissed because they couldn't prove intent to sell."

    Sources said St. Cloud also tested positive for "controlled substances" after his arrest, but did not elaborate.

    The pumped-up St. Cloud has been weightlifting for years and recently placed 12th in the 2003 Mr. Olympia.

    FDNY spokesman Frank Gribbon only said the department has a "zero-tolerance policy regarding drug use."

    "There are currently administrative charges pending [against St. Cloud]," he said.

    While St. Cloud's higher-ups previously considered him literally a poster boy for the department, they may want to rethink their position.

    The manager of a sexy male dance group said St. Cloud had been working for him for more than four years until about a month and a half ago, when he booted the Bravest - because his act was too sexually explicit.

    "His stuff is a little extreme for us," said Tony Abrams of Nyc HotBoyz.

    "He goes totally nude, and we don't do that," Abrams said.

    "I would classify him as a stripper. He's not a dancer . . . a lot of his show deals with [bodybuilding] strength positioning."

    Abrams said he knew St. Cloud was a firefighter but said it wasn't part of his act.

    Still, an Internet ad for the group boasts that it offers "firefighters" - and St. Cloud has said the group employs another Bravest who goes by the name "BobKat."

    Abrams, asked if he was surprised to find firefighters in the exotic-dancer ranks, replied:

    "No, I'm used to it. We get a lot of them."

    FDNY spokesman Gribbon said the Bravest have to clear outside work with the department.

    But "clearly, this is not the kind of activity that is or would be endorsed," he said.

    St. Cloud could not be reached for comment.

    In an interview on bodybuilding last fall, he said: "I've been blessed with a good body, and I enjoy giving some of my good fortune back."


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    Well, this thread has gotten a little off track.
    All's I can say about this latest revelation is:
    Rodney St. Cloud? Meet Chantel Lace!
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    It appears that some people on these forums are almost giddy with their pleasure that the FDNY has some personnel problems. TillerMan25, PAVolunteer and SamsonFCDES seem ever so eager to point out that an extremely small number of the total FDNY firefighters have been in the news lately casting a less than glowing representation of the FDNY.

    Some of you have whined about others jumping on other fire departments and their members for wrong doing that made the media. Someone please explain to me how doing EXACTLY what you gripe others have been doing seperates you from those you complain about?

    I personally find it disgusting that you have to stoop so low as to bring totally unrelated news stories into this discussion. I also find it disgusting that you seem to revel in pointing this stuff out.

    Are there problems that need to be addressed? Yes. And I am sure the FDNY will take care of those problems in the proper manner as deemed by SOG's. Policy and Procedures and in accordnace with the Union Contract.

    Stepping down off my soap box.

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    duplicate post sorry
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    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    The two-year veteran was found with "a large shipment of [anabolic] steroids," one source told The Post. "But the grand jury was dismissed because they couldn't prove intent to sell."

    The pumped-up St. Cloud has been weightlifting for years and recently placed 12th in the 2003 Mr. Olympia.
    I always find it interesting when people are surprised that IFBB type bodybuilders actualy use steriods... LOL, that is the ONLY way to grow muscles on your muscles.

    While St. Cloud's higher-ups previously considered him literally a poster boy for the department, they may want to rethink their position.
    Hmmm, I dunno, he could still be a poster boy, sort of. Hell, when I was a teenager the thought of being on the FDNY, haveing a herculean physique, being surrouded by hundreds of women swooning over my body, and the promis of all the sex I could possibly handle would apeal to me very very much. Who am I kidding, it appeals to me now!

    Not exactly role model material, but one lucky guy none the less... lucky until now anyway.

    The manager of a sexy male dance group said St. Cloud had been working for him for more than four years until about a month and a half ago, when he booted the Bravest - because his act was too sexually explicit.

    "His stuff is a little extreme for us," said Tony Abrams of Nyc HotBoyz.

    "He goes totally nude, and we don't do that," Abrams said.
    You know you have been a bad bad boy when you are kicked off the stip team.

    Abrams, asked if he was surprised to find firefighters in the exotic-dancer ranks, replied:

    "No, I'm used to it. We get a lot of them."
    Chantilly Lace should have her lawyers look into this, maybe it would help her case. Maybe there needs to be a new union...

    NFA... Non-uniformed Firefithgers Association.

    In an interview on bodybuilding last fall, he said: "I've been blessed with a good body, and I enjoy giving some of my good fortune back."
    Good fortune... so thats what they are calling it these days.



    OMG, this has just got to stop, I have read so many Chantilly Lace jokes, now this. My guts hurt.
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    FyredUp:
    Calm down; you're repeating yourself!
    My comment points to the hyprocisy that we see sometimes. If you recall, we were all flogging the young lady from California who was a volunteer firefighter and also a porn queen. I was one who felt that she didn't really exemplify the ideals that we all strive towards in our roles as public servants.
    Unfortunately, since our society is so connected, news travels very fast. And if you find yourself or someone whom you know in the news, they become fair game for people with opinions. That may not be what we like, but that's a fact.
    There is a feeding frenzy going on right now and sadly, it is the FDNY that is the chum.
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    Double standards are BS.

    If Chantelly Lace is fair game for jokes (some very funny!) then Rodney St. Cloud is fair game for jokes.
    -Brotherhood: I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

    -Adversity: That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    Fyred Up, it's puzzle time.

    Gimme a Two-word phrase that starts with "F" and ends with "U?"

    Can be a verb or a noun. Insert it into your brain from me to you tough guy, and have a nice day. And end that with a "G.F.Y." (If you can figure that one out.

    It's not that we a reveling over problems with the FDNY, I am just pointing out that these are not the teflon guys that everyone thought they were. I remember at one point on here, if you even dared to question the FDNY on anything, you were flogged out of town. Those days are over. I will agree with something that was said by FFFred:

    Wear "your company" t-shirt and be proud of it. You and your dept are what should be most important to you.
    My Department is better. We haven't had Arsonists, Drunks or any Firefighters assaulted that I know of (we are all into the drinking but we keep it out of the firehouse)

    Although Mr. Fred, I must disagree about my Southern Twang. I don't have one. I am from Maryland, not Tennessee. Go to Baltimore and tell me if anyone there has a Southern Twang, C'mon don Bawlmer. Sheesh, even most of the people down in Southern Maryland and Western Maryland don't have southern twang.

    And Mr. Fred, if distancing myself from a Firefighter that does something "F-ed Up" makes me have no clue what Brotherhood is, than I don't want to be part of it. Brotherhood isn't getting drunk and nearly killing another Brother with a Chair and then attempting to cover up for it. Brotherhood isn't getting hopped up on Coke or Steroids and Coming to work to down the liquor you got stashed in a Locker at the Station. Brotherhood is taking care of one another to make sure we all return home safely and that the job gets done.

    Brotherhood is calling your sick buddy at home to make sure he has everything he needs.

    Brotherhood is covering a shift for your buddy when his kid or spouse is sick.

    Brotherhood is making sure the company attends one of your shift-mates weddings or his kids B-day party.

    Brotherhood is always making sure you got your Buddies back in a job, going in together, coming out together.

    Brotherhood is making sure the new guy on the shift gets the brunt of the pranks, but is made to feel comfortable and assisted in anyway to make sure he excels in his position and fits into the team wheel seamlessly.

    Brotherhood is always giving the nod, the wave, the smile to anyone you see on the road who has FD tags or is wearing a shirt identifying himself as a Firefighter or EMS provider (yeah, even though we sometime shun them, they are our brothers and sisters too)

    Brotherhood is hard to define....but it's easily accomplished.

    What happened the past few weeks in NYC is not Brotherhood. It is actually taking Brotherhood for granted. And it shouldn't be tolerated nor defended.

    FFFFred, don't try to tell me what Brotherhood is.

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    Nobody is coated in teflon, and the PGFD has had it's share of screw ups (yes, I do lurk at the watch desk)

    The examples you have cited about FDNY is what...4 out of 13,000 firefighters?

    We all work with our share of anal sphincters (I think it is an NFPA requirement to have at least 1 per department)... but when the tones go off, the lines are pulled, roofs and windows vented and the fire is overhauled... we overlook the differences in opinions.

    Brotherhood is everything you stated earlier... I just wish more people on both sides of the fence would realize that...
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    Tillerman...

    Thanks for proving my point.

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    Tiller Man,

    You agree with me that you should be in to your own dept...yet by your own admision.
    I am more into the west coast Fire Departments anyway.
    And for whatever reason I can't imainge why. So which is it "tough guy"?

    Your dept is better? Is that why you are more into West Coast FDs???

    Your dept has no problems??? Are you kidding me? There are plenty of guys up here that worked in your perfect flawless little burb down there and none of them that I know are as deluisional as you to think that nothing ever went wrong there. I wont list the problems here as I am above airing your dirty laundry in public.

    And yes they and you do have a twang...I know this because I have my own as I'm not originally from NY as well.

    I still standby the statement that you have an inferiorty complex. I don't know anyone that thinks we are 11,000 Saints. You are the only one claiming we are covered in Teflon. You say everyone thinks this...yet you are the only one stating this. Where is the Thread... "FDNY is Covered in Teflon"?

    It would appear CR, Capt Gonzo, and many others can place all these events in the proper perspective. You though can go through life knowing you are "better" because you know the real truth.

    I didn't say you had to agree with condone actions taken by the brothers. However just because someone has a lapse in judgement or does something you don't agree with doesn't mean you have you abandon them. If a member of a volly FD is a porn star, who cares...it is her own time and your sense of morality has no bearing on her right to perform furniture intercourse or whatever she was doing. As I said you stick together in good times and bad.

    I guess Mr. Tiller that since your dept is "better" and has had no "Arsonists, Drunks or any Firefighters assaulted" ever that you wouldn't know what it means to stick together during bad times.

    Apparently you only know and understand the easy half of brotherhood...not the difficult half.

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    Your dept is better? Is that why you are more into West Coast FDs???
    I like the Tactics of West Coast Departments, I don't choose to wear LAFD or SFFD t-shirts everywhere I go. I like the way they do things.


    There are plenty of guys up here that worked in your perfect flawless little burb down there and none of them that I know are as deluisional as you to think that nothing ever went wrong there. I wont list the problems here as I am above airing your dirty laundry in public.
    Lets stop the generalization here. I am not a member of the P.G.F.D. or the PGFEMS or whatever. I am a member of an individual VFD within that County. I am sure members of the Aviation VFD do not associate themselves as being with the FDNY. And as far as I know, no one that is alumnus from my VFD has ever gone to work for the FDNY. So the people you are talking to have no knowledge of the individual station.


    And yes they and you do have a twang...I know this because I have my own as I'm not originally from NY as well.
    How would you know how I speak? You have never spoken to me. I might not originally be from Maryland. I might be from the Northeast, Born in Boston! Never Know. I know the similarities between a Hillbilly Twang and the way a New Yorker destroys the English Language are pretty close.

    yet you are the only one stating this. Where is the Thread... "FDNY is Covered in Teflon"?
    Go through these threads. There are several threads involving the FDNY where people get critical of them and are smacked on the nose for being critical. Inferiority? Nope....I have nothing to be inferior too.

    However just because someone has a lapse in judgement or does something you don't agree with doesn't mean you have you abandon them.
    If it makes me look bad or could possible implicate me, I will damn sure abandon them. Thats like saying you stick by your buddy if he murders someone or commits a crime. I like to keep myself around more morally sound people who don't assault other firefighters when they drink or drink on duty, or use drugs.

    If a member of a volly FD is a porn star, who cares...it is her own time and your sense of morality has no bearing on her right to perform furniture intercourse or whatever she was doing.
    Bad example, I don't care what you do on your own time. But if she were at the station dancing nude or whatever while on duty, she would get the same scrutiny from me.


    Like I said earlier, if Brotherhood is condoning people who do wrong, covering up for illegal acts, than I dont want to have a part in it.

    Have a nice Day.

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