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    ....and maybe some people (papers, brass, etc) have an axe to grind and make it front page news.....

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    FDNY Firefighter Put on Desk Duty After Steroid Bust
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    A hottie Bravest who moonlights as a raunchy nude stripper has been put on desk duty after being busted for steroid possession, authorities said yesterday.

    Rodney St. Cloud, the muscle-bound "Mr. April" in the Fire Department's official 2004 calendar - and a k a beefcake "Hot Rod" in the exotic-dancing world - was taken off the line at Engine Co. 43/Ladder 59 in The Bronx after his arrest last May 23, sources said.

    The two-year veteran was found with "a large shipment of [anabolic] steroids," one source told The Post. "But the grand jury was dismissed because they couldn't prove intent to sell."

    Sources said St. Cloud also tested positive for "controlled substances" after his arrest, but did not elaborate.

    The pumped-up St. Cloud has been weightlifting for years and recently placed 12th in the 2003 Mr. Olympia.

    FDNY spokesman Frank Gribbon only said the department has a "zero-tolerance policy regarding drug use."

    "There are currently administrative charges pending [against St. Cloud]," he said.

    While St. Cloud's higher-ups previously considered him literally a poster boy for the department, they may want to rethink their position.

    The manager of a sexy male dance group said St. Cloud had been working for him for more than four years until about a month and a half ago, when he booted the Bravest - because his act was too sexually explicit.

    "His stuff is a little extreme for us," said Tony Abrams of Nyc HotBoyz.

    "He goes totally nude, and we don't do that," Abrams said.

    "I would classify him as a stripper. He's not a dancer . . . a lot of his show deals with [bodybuilding] strength positioning."

    Abrams said he knew St. Cloud was a firefighter but said it wasn't part of his act.

    Still, an Internet ad for the group boasts that it offers "firefighters" - and St. Cloud has said the group employs another Bravest who goes by the name "BobKat."

    Abrams, asked if he was surprised to find firefighters in the exotic-dancer ranks, replied:

    "No, I'm used to it. We get a lot of them."

    FDNY spokesman Gribbon said the Bravest have to clear outside work with the department.

    But "clearly, this is not the kind of activity that is or would be endorsed," he said.

    St. Cloud could not be reached for comment.

    In an interview on bodybuilding last fall, he said: "I've been blessed with a good body, and I enjoy giving some of my good fortune back."


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    Well, this thread has gotten a little off track.
    All's I can say about this latest revelation is:
    Rodney St. Cloud? Meet Chantel Lace!
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    It appears that some people on these forums are almost giddy with their pleasure that the FDNY has some personnel problems. TillerMan25, PAVolunteer and SamsonFCDES seem ever so eager to point out that an extremely small number of the total FDNY firefighters have been in the news lately casting a less than glowing representation of the FDNY.

    Some of you have whined about others jumping on other fire departments and their members for wrong doing that made the media. Someone please explain to me how doing EXACTLY what you gripe others have been doing seperates you from those you complain about?

    I personally find it disgusting that you have to stoop so low as to bring totally unrelated news stories into this discussion. I also find it disgusting that you seem to revel in pointing this stuff out.

    Are there problems that need to be addressed? Yes. And I am sure the FDNY will take care of those problems in the proper manner as deemed by SOG's. Policy and Procedures and in accordnace with the Union Contract.

    Stepping down off my soap box.

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    duplicate post sorry
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    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    The two-year veteran was found with "a large shipment of [anabolic] steroids," one source told The Post. "But the grand jury was dismissed because they couldn't prove intent to sell."

    The pumped-up St. Cloud has been weightlifting for years and recently placed 12th in the 2003 Mr. Olympia.
    I always find it interesting when people are surprised that IFBB type bodybuilders actualy use steriods... LOL, that is the ONLY way to grow muscles on your muscles.

    While St. Cloud's higher-ups previously considered him literally a poster boy for the department, they may want to rethink their position.
    Hmmm, I dunno, he could still be a poster boy, sort of. Hell, when I was a teenager the thought of being on the FDNY, haveing a herculean physique, being surrouded by hundreds of women swooning over my body, and the promis of all the sex I could possibly handle would apeal to me very very much. Who am I kidding, it appeals to me now!

    Not exactly role model material, but one lucky guy none the less... lucky until now anyway.

    The manager of a sexy male dance group said St. Cloud had been working for him for more than four years until about a month and a half ago, when he booted the Bravest - because his act was too sexually explicit.

    "His stuff is a little extreme for us," said Tony Abrams of Nyc HotBoyz.

    "He goes totally nude, and we don't do that," Abrams said.
    You know you have been a bad bad boy when you are kicked off the stip team.

    Abrams, asked if he was surprised to find firefighters in the exotic-dancer ranks, replied:

    "No, I'm used to it. We get a lot of them."
    Chantilly Lace should have her lawyers look into this, maybe it would help her case. Maybe there needs to be a new union...

    NFA... Non-uniformed Firefithgers Association.

    In an interview on bodybuilding last fall, he said: "I've been blessed with a good body, and I enjoy giving some of my good fortune back."
    Good fortune... so thats what they are calling it these days.



    OMG, this has just got to stop, I have read so many Chantilly Lace jokes, now this. My guts hurt.
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    FyredUp:
    Calm down; you're repeating yourself!
    My comment points to the hyprocisy that we see sometimes. If you recall, we were all flogging the young lady from California who was a volunteer firefighter and also a porn queen. I was one who felt that she didn't really exemplify the ideals that we all strive towards in our roles as public servants.
    Unfortunately, since our society is so connected, news travels very fast. And if you find yourself or someone whom you know in the news, they become fair game for people with opinions. That may not be what we like, but that's a fact.
    There is a feeding frenzy going on right now and sadly, it is the FDNY that is the chum.
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    Double standards are BS.

    If Chantelly Lace is fair game for jokes (some very funny!) then Rodney St. Cloud is fair game for jokes.
    -Brotherhood: I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

    -Adversity: That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    Fyred Up, it's puzzle time.

    Gimme a Two-word phrase that starts with "F" and ends with "U?"

    Can be a verb or a noun. Insert it into your brain from me to you tough guy, and have a nice day. And end that with a "G.F.Y." (If you can figure that one out.

    It's not that we a reveling over problems with the FDNY, I am just pointing out that these are not the teflon guys that everyone thought they were. I remember at one point on here, if you even dared to question the FDNY on anything, you were flogged out of town. Those days are over. I will agree with something that was said by FFFred:

    Wear "your company" t-shirt and be proud of it. You and your dept are what should be most important to you.
    My Department is better. We haven't had Arsonists, Drunks or any Firefighters assaulted that I know of (we are all into the drinking but we keep it out of the firehouse)

    Although Mr. Fred, I must disagree about my Southern Twang. I don't have one. I am from Maryland, not Tennessee. Go to Baltimore and tell me if anyone there has a Southern Twang, C'mon don Bawlmer. Sheesh, even most of the people down in Southern Maryland and Western Maryland don't have southern twang.

    And Mr. Fred, if distancing myself from a Firefighter that does something "F-ed Up" makes me have no clue what Brotherhood is, than I don't want to be part of it. Brotherhood isn't getting drunk and nearly killing another Brother with a Chair and then attempting to cover up for it. Brotherhood isn't getting hopped up on Coke or Steroids and Coming to work to down the liquor you got stashed in a Locker at the Station. Brotherhood is taking care of one another to make sure we all return home safely and that the job gets done.

    Brotherhood is calling your sick buddy at home to make sure he has everything he needs.

    Brotherhood is covering a shift for your buddy when his kid or spouse is sick.

    Brotherhood is making sure the company attends one of your shift-mates weddings or his kids B-day party.

    Brotherhood is always making sure you got your Buddies back in a job, going in together, coming out together.

    Brotherhood is making sure the new guy on the shift gets the brunt of the pranks, but is made to feel comfortable and assisted in anyway to make sure he excels in his position and fits into the team wheel seamlessly.

    Brotherhood is always giving the nod, the wave, the smile to anyone you see on the road who has FD tags or is wearing a shirt identifying himself as a Firefighter or EMS provider (yeah, even though we sometime shun them, they are our brothers and sisters too)

    Brotherhood is hard to define....but it's easily accomplished.

    What happened the past few weeks in NYC is not Brotherhood. It is actually taking Brotherhood for granted. And it shouldn't be tolerated nor defended.

    FFFFred, don't try to tell me what Brotherhood is.

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    Nobody is coated in teflon, and the PGFD has had it's share of screw ups (yes, I do lurk at the watch desk)

    The examples you have cited about FDNY is what...4 out of 13,000 firefighters?

    We all work with our share of anal sphincters (I think it is an NFPA requirement to have at least 1 per department)... but when the tones go off, the lines are pulled, roofs and windows vented and the fire is overhauled... we overlook the differences in opinions.

    Brotherhood is everything you stated earlier... I just wish more people on both sides of the fence would realize that...
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    Tillerman...

    Thanks for proving my point.

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    Tiller Man,

    You agree with me that you should be in to your own dept...yet by your own admision.
    I am more into the west coast Fire Departments anyway.
    And for whatever reason I can't imainge why. So which is it "tough guy"?

    Your dept is better? Is that why you are more into West Coast FDs???

    Your dept has no problems??? Are you kidding me? There are plenty of guys up here that worked in your perfect flawless little burb down there and none of them that I know are as deluisional as you to think that nothing ever went wrong there. I wont list the problems here as I am above airing your dirty laundry in public.

    And yes they and you do have a twang...I know this because I have my own as I'm not originally from NY as well.

    I still standby the statement that you have an inferiorty complex. I don't know anyone that thinks we are 11,000 Saints. You are the only one claiming we are covered in Teflon. You say everyone thinks this...yet you are the only one stating this. Where is the Thread... "FDNY is Covered in Teflon"?

    It would appear CR, Capt Gonzo, and many others can place all these events in the proper perspective. You though can go through life knowing you are "better" because you know the real truth.

    I didn't say you had to agree with condone actions taken by the brothers. However just because someone has a lapse in judgement or does something you don't agree with doesn't mean you have you abandon them. If a member of a volly FD is a porn star, who cares...it is her own time and your sense of morality has no bearing on her right to perform furniture intercourse or whatever she was doing. As I said you stick together in good times and bad.

    I guess Mr. Tiller that since your dept is "better" and has had no "Arsonists, Drunks or any Firefighters assaulted" ever that you wouldn't know what it means to stick together during bad times.

    Apparently you only know and understand the easy half of brotherhood...not the difficult half.

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    Your dept is better? Is that why you are more into West Coast FDs???
    I like the Tactics of West Coast Departments, I don't choose to wear LAFD or SFFD t-shirts everywhere I go. I like the way they do things.


    There are plenty of guys up here that worked in your perfect flawless little burb down there and none of them that I know are as deluisional as you to think that nothing ever went wrong there. I wont list the problems here as I am above airing your dirty laundry in public.
    Lets stop the generalization here. I am not a member of the P.G.F.D. or the PGFEMS or whatever. I am a member of an individual VFD within that County. I am sure members of the Aviation VFD do not associate themselves as being with the FDNY. And as far as I know, no one that is alumnus from my VFD has ever gone to work for the FDNY. So the people you are talking to have no knowledge of the individual station.


    And yes they and you do have a twang...I know this because I have my own as I'm not originally from NY as well.
    How would you know how I speak? You have never spoken to me. I might not originally be from Maryland. I might be from the Northeast, Born in Boston! Never Know. I know the similarities between a Hillbilly Twang and the way a New Yorker destroys the English Language are pretty close.

    yet you are the only one stating this. Where is the Thread... "FDNY is Covered in Teflon"?
    Go through these threads. There are several threads involving the FDNY where people get critical of them and are smacked on the nose for being critical. Inferiority? Nope....I have nothing to be inferior too.

    However just because someone has a lapse in judgement or does something you don't agree with doesn't mean you have you abandon them.
    If it makes me look bad or could possible implicate me, I will damn sure abandon them. Thats like saying you stick by your buddy if he murders someone or commits a crime. I like to keep myself around more morally sound people who don't assault other firefighters when they drink or drink on duty, or use drugs.

    If a member of a volly FD is a porn star, who cares...it is her own time and your sense of morality has no bearing on her right to perform furniture intercourse or whatever she was doing.
    Bad example, I don't care what you do on your own time. But if she were at the station dancing nude or whatever while on duty, she would get the same scrutiny from me.


    Like I said earlier, if Brotherhood is condoning people who do wrong, covering up for illegal acts, than I dont want to have a part in it.

    Have a nice Day.

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    With the nearest fire hydrant frozen shut, firefighters yesterday rescued a Harlem woman and her cat from a burning apartment while fighting the flames with portable fire extinguishers, officials said.

    Ellen Stoken, 61, was found unconscious in the bathtub inside her studio apartment on E. 105th St., said Dave Billig, a FD spokesman.

    Members of Ladder Co. 43 in Spanish Harlem, nicknamed El Barrio's Bravest, rushed to the 10-story apartment building after receiving a 911 call about 2:40 p.m., Billig said.

    Lt. Tony Montaruli, 46 and FF's Mark Carpiniello, 41; Jerry Duden, 36 and Todd Fredrickson went to the ninth-floor apartment and broke the door.

    "There were flames all around us, we couldn't see anything," said Fredrickson who rescued Stoken as Carpiniello fought back the flames along the rescue path. "We kept her blocked from the flames."

    Stoken suffered second and third-degree burns to 65% of her body and smoke inhalation. She was taken to Weill Cornell Medical Center's burn unit in critical condition, Fire Department officials said.

    Firefighters eventually ran a hose from another hydrant and put the fire out in 20 minutes.

    The firefighters also rescued Stoken's cat, Bubba, whom she adopted nine month ago after finding her abandoned in an alley, Rodriguez said.

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    Brotherhood isn't getting drunk and nearly killing another Brother with a Chair and then attempting to cover up for it. Brotherhood isn't getting hopped up on Coke or Steroids and Coming to work to down the liquor you got stashed in a Locker at the Station.
    Tiller, And these are facts? You are sure about that huh Chris? Part of the problem is that some people are to willing to believe what the papers print. And lately it seems like when it comes to the FDNY, some "people" go out of their way to hop on the ole bandwagon and flame away.

    Do you know the brother was drunk?

    Do you know there was a conspiracy to cover up the event? On maybe an attempt to keep what appeared to be a minor scuffle from developing into something big. Unfortunately it did turn into a big deal, and the man responsible took his lumps. maybe someday you'll know how much of a hit he took, and why. Then again, you don't care because if he ****ed up, in your book he is ****.

    Hopped up on coke, or trace amounts? No that it really matters, but don't blow the thing outta proportion either. And again, was the booze being consumed, or stored there until a later function? Maybe a bad choice to keep it there, but not the same as drinking it.

    Tiller, you jump on everyone who jumps on the volunteer arsonist, or the volunteer drinking in the station, yet you jump twice as fast when it happens in the FDNY.

    Brotherhood does mean sticking together, even though things that may affect you in an adverse way. Not everyone was born under the sign of perfect, and sometimes brothers need a hand to see their way though the tough times.

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    With the nearest fire hydrant frozen shut, firefighters yesterday rescued a Harlem woman and her cat from a burning apartment while fighting the flames with portable fire extinguishers, officials said.
    WOW. Talk about culture shock. Down here we never have to worry about the hydrants we have freezing shut since it rarely gets that cold. Also we don't practice 'catching the hydrant' since we have so many rural areas in our district or neighborhoods served with 2 or 4 inch water lines. Our tankers keep the water flowing to the pumper. And we don't carry any portable fire extinguishers on any of our trucks. I once put out a car fire which was still inside the engine compartment using a 5lb dry chem can I keep in my car and also knocked down a fire on the stove of the local Chevron station. Bacon grease caught fire. Both times the VFD had the extinguishers refilled for me. Still the Chief says that we don't need extinguishers because all of our trucks have at least 1000 gallons of water to do the job with.
    If it makes me look bad or could possible implicate me, I will damn sure abandon them.
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    Gimme a Two-word phrase that starts with "F" and ends with "U?"
    Can be a verb or a noun. Insert it into your brain from me to you tough guy, and have a nice day. And end that with a "G.F.Y." (If you can figure that one out.
    WHOA!! Dude, That's uncalled for in any forum. You need to take a timeout.

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    APROMISEKEPT,

    Thanks for the post. Whats the Point? I can find 5 or more Stories on Washington D.C.'s Bravest doing the same things.

    MIKEY, Yeah, nice pic. It's a training burn....again, whats the point? We train in the structure and when we are done, we burn it to the ground. Everyones wins, we get to train in a live fire environment and the owner of the property saves $$$ on demolition of the structure.

    Dave, you answered your own question in your post. Do people have all the facts when a volunteer or for that matter, any firefighter from a smaller department screws up? Nope, they just blame, blame, blame. You have always been fair with me no matter what the subject, so I will do the same with you.

    And lately it seems like when it comes to the FDNY, some "people" go out of their way to hop on the ole bandwagon and flame away.
    It is shocking to alot of people Dave. These are the "Report from Engine Co. 82" guy, the guys everyone put high up on a pedestal after 9-11, the guys who are part of the worlds largest professional Fire Department. The Best, as alot of people say. So when all this stuff surfaced in a matter of weeks, I think alot of "people" were kind of scratching thier heads. I would criticize and condemn this activity in any department. Sorry if it offends the regular posters from the FDNY, but their Department is no better than yours, mine or ours.

    Not everyone was born under the sign of perfect, and sometimes brothers need a hand to see their way though the tough times.
    Thats a good line. I expect to hear that the next time there is a story posted about a firefighter commiting arson, or stealing, or drinking on duty or starring in a porno. All I am asking is to stop the double standard.

    Cellblock776. If I had posted the actual words, I would agree to take a timeout. But I kept them cleaner than the Super Bowl Halftime show.

    To get off topic...does Janet Jackson look like a Porker or what? Definately not the Hottie she used to be.

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    Cellblock,

    I know it ain't my business but you said:

    we don't carry any portable fire extinguishers on any of our trucks.
    and

    the Chief says that we don't need extinguishers because all of our trucks have at least 1000 gallons of water to do the job with
    Forgetting all the tactical uses of portable extinguishers, has anyone down there looked at the ISO chart of required equipment for pumpers lately? They say you've got to have a water and dry chem.

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    It appears that some people on these forums are almost giddy with their pleasure that the FDNY has some personnel problems. TillerMan25, PAVolunteer and SamsonFCDES seem ever so eager to point out that an extremely small number of the total FDNY firefighters have been in the news lately casting a less than glowing representation of the FDNY.
    First of all, read what I post BEFORE you type. There is no pleasure, there is no giddiness. It was a news story.
    Some of you have whined about others jumping on other fire departments and their members for wrong doing that made the media. Someone please explain to me how doing EXACTLY what you gripe others have been doing seperates you from those you complain about?
    The "whining" was pointing out the FACT that everyone starts getting the rope ready when a volunteer is found to be drinking in the firehouse. If you actually read what I posted about this, I followed the statement with:
    and rightfully so
    referring to everyone bashing the volunteer for drinking in the firehouse. However, someone posts a news story about alledged alcohol and the FDNY ... and all of a sudden we're low-life scum.
    ... again ... read before you type.
    I personally find it disgusting that you have to stoop so low as to bring totally unrelated news stories into this discussion. I also find it disgusting that you seem to revel in pointing this stuff out.
    Let's see ... both stories involved alledged involvement with alcohol, while on duty, in the same department. Exactly how is this unrelated?
    ... again ... ready before you type.

    All of you guys need to relax. No one is calling the Fire Department of New York City a bad department ... no one is calling for anyone's head ... no one is claiming rampant corruption within the department. No one is saying that they are better than anyone else.

    ... and you are absolutely right, we are talking about a rather small handful of individuals within a department of 12,000+. Nonetheless, it happens, and we are (obviously) discussing it. If you don't want to discuss it, don't ... but don't beat on those who do.

    hfd66truck ... okay, bad choice of words ... post edited.

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    It is shocking to allot of people Dave. These are the "Report from Engine Co. 82" guy, the guys everyone put high up on a pedestal after 9-11, the guys who are part of the worlds largest professional Fire Department. The Best, as allot of people say. So when all this stuff surfaced in a matter of weeks, I think allot of "people" were kind of scratching their heads. I would criticize and condemn this activity in any department. Sorry if it offends the regular posters from the FDNY, but their Department is no better than yours, mine or ours.
    No it isn't shocking to most "people". No one is scratching their head. As you may note most posters here realize the context of these events. They understand you aren't going to have 11,000 saints. It isn't practical to think you can hire that many people under our unbiased hiring system and have guys who will always do the right thing. Add in a very competitive media (tabloid) market, and you get high exposure front-page news that in most cities wouldn't even make the paper at all.

    If finally comes out:
    but their Department is no better than yours, mine or ours.
    Do people have all the facts when a volunteer or for that matter, any firefighter from a smaller department screws up? Nope, they just blame, blame, blame.
    For the record I haven't or seen any other FDNY member bash or blame your volly depts for anything. So why do you feel it necessary to attack us with your diatribe?

    You are either jealous or bitter and no one wants to see you whine like a girl with a skinned knee constantly on this forum. How does doing the same thing you are complaining about makes you a better man???

    We are no DIFFERENT or BETTER in that respect than any other group or organization. We never claimed to be angles, we have our problems just like everyone else...including your dept. whether you believe it or not.

    We ARE second to NONE. And that includes you and your little outfit. And it doesn't come from taking buff photos in front of burning houses. We train constantly and perform exceptionally well at jobs. We place great importance on proficiency, you must perform well or you are an embarrassment to the company. Company Pride is foremost in the minds of the members. This drives the members to excel at their jobs.

    Most firemen that stop in and visit my firehouse do mention how different the attitude towards job knowledge, technical skill and training is as compared to where they come from. It isn't unusual to see a member with a procedural manual open or drilling on the apparatus floor.

    And what many FFs wish they had is that we stick together no matter what. True Brotherhood. Not your phony veneer "brotherhood" you wear on a Galls t-shirt. Just because a brother is down doesn't mean you desert him. You stand by him and you give him a hand up. That is the right thing to do. That doesn't mean you have to condone his actions. You don't leave him or even worse give him up...Backstabbing and (figuratively) leaving a brother for dead isn't Brotherhood. But it is clear you'll never understand that.

    What is offending and regrettable is you generalize, exaggerate and make up your own "facts"(as if you had a clue) about what happened and then you exclaim (proudly I might add) that if anyone you know would have a lapse in judgment you would distance yourself from them. Lets desert them, screw them and their problems! Every man for himself!

    Your comments indicate you have a weak constitution and you probably wouldn't last on the fire floor. I'm Glad I'm not in Clinton, Maryland Home of the Immaculate Volly FD!

    FTM-PTB
    Last edited by FFFRED; 02-05-2004 at 01:47 PM.

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