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    If it makes me look bad or could possible implicate me, I will damn sure abandon them.
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    By Kerry Burke & Martin MbUgua, Daily News Staff Writers, 2/4/04

    With the nearest fire hydrant frozen shut, firefighters yesterday rescued a Harlem woman and her cat from a burning apartment while fighting the flames with portable fire extinguishers, officials said.

    Ellen Stoken, 61, was found unconscious in the bathtub inside her studio apartment on E. 105th St., said Dave Billig, a FD spokesman.

    Members of Ladder Co. 43 in Spanish Harlem, nicknamed El Barrio's Bravest, rushed to the 10-story apartment building after receiving a 911 call about 2:40 p.m., Billig said.

    Lt. Tony Montaruli, 46 and FF's Mark Carpiniello, 41; Jerry Duden, 36 and Todd Fredrickson went to the ninth-floor apartment and broke the door.

    "There were flames all around us, we couldn't see anything," said Fredrickson who rescued Stoken as Carpiniello fought back the flames along the rescue path. "We kept her blocked from the flames."

    Stoken suffered second and third-degree burns to 65% of her body and smoke inhalation. She was taken to Weill Cornell Medical Center's burn unit in critical condition, Fire Department officials said.

    Firefighters eventually ran a hose from another hydrant and put the fire out in 20 minutes.

    The firefighters also rescued Stoken's cat, Bubba, whom she adopted nine month ago after finding her abandoned in an alley, Rodriguez said.

    Montaruli, a 22 veteran, said he was proud of the FDNY crew.

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    Ah, to live in such an ideal world must be absolutely fantastic.

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    Hey Mr. TillerMan25, My very first post is just for you. Have a nice day.
    And a fine post it is. You like it KARL?
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    Brotherhood isn't getting drunk and nearly killing another Brother with a Chair and then attempting to cover up for it. Brotherhood isn't getting hopped up on Coke or Steroids and Coming to work to down the liquor you got stashed in a Locker at the Station.
    Tiller, And these are facts? You are sure about that huh Chris? Part of the problem is that some people are to willing to believe what the papers print. And lately it seems like when it comes to the FDNY, some "people" go out of their way to hop on the ole bandwagon and flame away.

    Do you know the brother was drunk?

    Do you know there was a conspiracy to cover up the event? On maybe an attempt to keep what appeared to be a minor scuffle from developing into something big. Unfortunately it did turn into a big deal, and the man responsible took his lumps. maybe someday you'll know how much of a hit he took, and why. Then again, you don't care because if he ****ed up, in your book he is ****.

    Hopped up on coke, or trace amounts? No that it really matters, but don't blow the thing outta proportion either. And again, was the booze being consumed, or stored there until a later function? Maybe a bad choice to keep it there, but not the same as drinking it.

    Tiller, you jump on everyone who jumps on the volunteer arsonist, or the volunteer drinking in the station, yet you jump twice as fast when it happens in the FDNY.

    Brotherhood does mean sticking together, even though things that may affect you in an adverse way. Not everyone was born under the sign of perfect, and sometimes brothers need a hand to see their way though the tough times.

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    With the nearest fire hydrant frozen shut, firefighters yesterday rescued a Harlem woman and her cat from a burning apartment while fighting the flames with portable fire extinguishers, officials said.
    WOW. Talk about culture shock. Down here we never have to worry about the hydrants we have freezing shut since it rarely gets that cold. Also we don't practice 'catching the hydrant' since we have so many rural areas in our district or neighborhoods served with 2 or 4 inch water lines. Our tankers keep the water flowing to the pumper. And we don't carry any portable fire extinguishers on any of our trucks. I once put out a car fire which was still inside the engine compartment using a 5lb dry chem can I keep in my car and also knocked down a fire on the stove of the local Chevron station. Bacon grease caught fire. Both times the VFD had the extinguishers refilled for me. Still the Chief says that we don't need extinguishers because all of our trucks have at least 1000 gallons of water to do the job with.
    If it makes me look bad or could possible implicate me, I will damn sure abandon them.
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    Gimme a Two-word phrase that starts with "F" and ends with "U?"
    Can be a verb or a noun. Insert it into your brain from me to you tough guy, and have a nice day. And end that with a "G.F.Y." (If you can figure that one out.
    WHOA!! Dude, That's uncalled for in any forum. You need to take a timeout.

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    APROMISEKEPT,

    Thanks for the post. Whats the Point? I can find 5 or more Stories on Washington D.C.'s Bravest doing the same things.

    MIKEY, Yeah, nice pic. It's a training burn....again, whats the point? We train in the structure and when we are done, we burn it to the ground. Everyones wins, we get to train in a live fire environment and the owner of the property saves $$$ on demolition of the structure.

    Dave, you answered your own question in your post. Do people have all the facts when a volunteer or for that matter, any firefighter from a smaller department screws up? Nope, they just blame, blame, blame. You have always been fair with me no matter what the subject, so I will do the same with you.

    And lately it seems like when it comes to the FDNY, some "people" go out of their way to hop on the ole bandwagon and flame away.
    It is shocking to alot of people Dave. These are the "Report from Engine Co. 82" guy, the guys everyone put high up on a pedestal after 9-11, the guys who are part of the worlds largest professional Fire Department. The Best, as alot of people say. So when all this stuff surfaced in a matter of weeks, I think alot of "people" were kind of scratching thier heads. I would criticize and condemn this activity in any department. Sorry if it offends the regular posters from the FDNY, but their Department is no better than yours, mine or ours.

    Not everyone was born under the sign of perfect, and sometimes brothers need a hand to see their way though the tough times.
    Thats a good line. I expect to hear that the next time there is a story posted about a firefighter commiting arson, or stealing, or drinking on duty or starring in a porno. All I am asking is to stop the double standard.

    Cellblock776. If I had posted the actual words, I would agree to take a timeout. But I kept them cleaner than the Super Bowl Halftime show.

    To get off topic...does Janet Jackson look like a Porker or what? Definately not the Hottie she used to be.

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    Cellblock,

    I know it ain't my business but you said:

    we don't carry any portable fire extinguishers on any of our trucks.
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    the Chief says that we don't need extinguishers because all of our trucks have at least 1000 gallons of water to do the job with
    Forgetting all the tactical uses of portable extinguishers, has anyone down there looked at the ISO chart of required equipment for pumpers lately? They say you've got to have a water and dry chem.

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    It appears that some people on these forums are almost giddy with their pleasure that the FDNY has some personnel problems. TillerMan25, PAVolunteer and SamsonFCDES seem ever so eager to point out that an extremely small number of the total FDNY firefighters have been in the news lately casting a less than glowing representation of the FDNY.
    First of all, read what I post BEFORE you type. There is no pleasure, there is no giddiness. It was a news story.
    Some of you have whined about others jumping on other fire departments and their members for wrong doing that made the media. Someone please explain to me how doing EXACTLY what you gripe others have been doing seperates you from those you complain about?
    The "whining" was pointing out the FACT that everyone starts getting the rope ready when a volunteer is found to be drinking in the firehouse. If you actually read what I posted about this, I followed the statement with:
    and rightfully so
    referring to everyone bashing the volunteer for drinking in the firehouse. However, someone posts a news story about alledged alcohol and the FDNY ... and all of a sudden we're low-life scum.
    ... again ... read before you type.
    I personally find it disgusting that you have to stoop so low as to bring totally unrelated news stories into this discussion. I also find it disgusting that you seem to revel in pointing this stuff out.
    Let's see ... both stories involved alledged involvement with alcohol, while on duty, in the same department. Exactly how is this unrelated?
    ... again ... ready before you type.

    All of you guys need to relax. No one is calling the Fire Department of New York City a bad department ... no one is calling for anyone's head ... no one is claiming rampant corruption within the department. No one is saying that they are better than anyone else.

    ... and you are absolutely right, we are talking about a rather small handful of individuals within a department of 12,000+. Nonetheless, it happens, and we are (obviously) discussing it. If you don't want to discuss it, don't ... but don't beat on those who do.

    hfd66truck ... okay, bad choice of words ... post edited.

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    It is shocking to allot of people Dave. These are the "Report from Engine Co. 82" guy, the guys everyone put high up on a pedestal after 9-11, the guys who are part of the worlds largest professional Fire Department. The Best, as allot of people say. So when all this stuff surfaced in a matter of weeks, I think allot of "people" were kind of scratching their heads. I would criticize and condemn this activity in any department. Sorry if it offends the regular posters from the FDNY, but their Department is no better than yours, mine or ours.
    No it isn't shocking to most "people". No one is scratching their head. As you may note most posters here realize the context of these events. They understand you aren't going to have 11,000 saints. It isn't practical to think you can hire that many people under our unbiased hiring system and have guys who will always do the right thing. Add in a very competitive media (tabloid) market, and you get high exposure front-page news that in most cities wouldn't even make the paper at all.

    If finally comes out:
    but their Department is no better than yours, mine or ours.
    Do people have all the facts when a volunteer or for that matter, any firefighter from a smaller department screws up? Nope, they just blame, blame, blame.
    For the record I haven't or seen any other FDNY member bash or blame your volly depts for anything. So why do you feel it necessary to attack us with your diatribe?

    You are either jealous or bitter and no one wants to see you whine like a girl with a skinned knee constantly on this forum. How does doing the same thing you are complaining about makes you a better man???

    We are no DIFFERENT or BETTER in that respect than any other group or organization. We never claimed to be angles, we have our problems just like everyone else...including your dept. whether you believe it or not.

    We ARE second to NONE. And that includes you and your little outfit. And it doesn't come from taking buff photos in front of burning houses. We train constantly and perform exceptionally well at jobs. We place great importance on proficiency, you must perform well or you are an embarrassment to the company. Company Pride is foremost in the minds of the members. This drives the members to excel at their jobs.

    Most firemen that stop in and visit my firehouse do mention how different the attitude towards job knowledge, technical skill and training is as compared to where they come from. It isn't unusual to see a member with a procedural manual open or drilling on the apparatus floor.

    And what many FFs wish they had is that we stick together no matter what. True Brotherhood. Not your phony veneer "brotherhood" you wear on a Galls t-shirt. Just because a brother is down doesn't mean you desert him. You stand by him and you give him a hand up. That is the right thing to do. That doesn't mean you have to condone his actions. You don't leave him or even worse give him up...Backstabbing and (figuratively) leaving a brother for dead isn't Brotherhood. But it is clear you'll never understand that.

    What is offending and regrettable is you generalize, exaggerate and make up your own "facts"(as if you had a clue) about what happened and then you exclaim (proudly I might add) that if anyone you know would have a lapse in judgment you would distance yourself from them. Lets desert them, screw them and their problems! Every man for himself!

    Your comments indicate you have a weak constitution and you probably wouldn't last on the fire floor. I'm Glad I'm not in Clinton, Maryland Home of the Immaculate Volly FD!

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    FFFred, it is obvious that your panties are in a wad because someone is not kissing your rear. I would expect that if Alan Baird came on here and defended his position and his actions, there would be people crawling all over him. Everyone has an excuse or a defense for their actions, even if they are BS.

    You have been whining like a girl too. By sitting her an arguing with me, you might look just as foolish to some.

    For the record I haven't or seen any other FDNY member bash or blame your volly depts for anything.
    Lets set the record straight. The VFD that I belong to has nothing to do with my opinions or my views. They are strictly mine and have been gathered over time on my own accord and not with someone from my VFD guiding me or telling me what to say. I sm not attacking YOU or the FDNY, I am attacking the DEPLORABLE ACTIONS that have taken place. Fact or not, the mere accusation of ALCOHOL, DRUGS or ASSAULT or ARSON in the Fire Service is DEPLORABLE. We take positions of public trust and the public trusts us to come into their homes to serve them. I don't think too many of them would want someone coming to their homes who has set a fire, ignored rules and got someone hurt, is drunk, on drugs, assaults people or covers up bad behavior.

    We are no DIFFERENT than any other group or organization...we have our problems just like everyone else...including your dept. whether you believe it or not.
    Not saying we don't have problems. We just don't have them of this magnitude. Do a search, I don't think you will find us on the front page of Firehouse.com ( I guess that is a tabloid media outlet too) unless it is referencing a significant (fire or EMS related) incident in our area.

    We ARE second to NONE. And that includes you and your little outfit. And it doesn't come from taking buff photos in front of burning houses.
    If it were hanging in some Nutjobs basement who had never ridden a firetruck because he was mentally unstable or whatever, I would agree it was a buff photo. However the picture taken went along with years of pictures that adorn our TV and Workout room that chronicle the history and personnel in our department, it's called pride. I can probably find many of the same type pics on any of the dozens of FDNY company websites. But I am not going tit for tat with you, because I am better than that.

    Just because a brother is down doesn't mean you desert him. You stand by him and you give him a hand up. That is the right thing to do.
    What if he is bringing your department to a negative light? What if he is implicating you by your association? What is the limit we stand by people who are accused? Why wasn't anyone standing by "Giving Brother Baird a Hand up?" What about the Driver of the Tanker in Wyoming? Where is his hand up? All they got was a bunch of people from OTHER DEPARTMENTS calling for their heads. So much for the Brotherhood there....

    Backstabbing and (figuratively) leaving a brother for dead isn't Brotherhood. But it is clear you'll never understand that.
    Replace Backstabbing with "Not Covering Up for someone who does something Stupid therefore keeping your nose clean" is what I call "Job Security." You cannot cloak this with Brotherhood dude. Brotherhood is not about defending the wrongdoers. They have Lawyers for that. Giving the guy a word of encouragement here and there is fine, but risking your own butt to keep someone out of trouble is NOT WORTH IT!

    What is offending and regrettable is you generalize, exaggerate and make up your own "facts"(as if you had a clue) about what happened
    Not following you here Slick. I used what was presented in the News Stories. I never made up any "facts." How about when it is generalized that Volunteers are arsonists and glory hogs? (Never seen too many glorified TV shows about Podunk FD)

    Lets desert them, screw them and their problems! Every man for himself!
    If it keeps my personnel file clean, you are damn right.

    Your comments indicate you have a weak constitution and you probably wouldn't last on the fire floor. I'm Glad I'm not in Clinton, Maryland Home of the Immaculate Volly FD!
    Been there for 12 years, 8 more to go. Never had any issues with a weak constitution. I support my friends, but if supporting my friends causes me to have any negative actions placed on me, write-ups, suspensions or what have you, I am out of there.

    Not an Immaculate VFD, but like I said earlier, they have nothing to do with it. My opinions were formed on my own and I wasn't attacking your department, just the actions and the dimwits that acted them.

    Save yourself the energy in your fingers dude. Arguing with me is like arguing with a brick wall. I will be here until I get banned or you shut up or get angry and ignore me. I won't back down from my position on this issue. What are you gonna do about my opinion? Come down and beat me up?.....LOL (that would be pretty childish)

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    Cellblock776...

    >WHOA!! Dude, That's uncalled for in any forum. You need to take a timeout.<

    I could not agree with you more thanks for the support.

    PAVolunteer...

    I did read what you typed and I STAND BEHIND what I wrote. You cannot bash another fire department, career or volunteer, while at the same time moaning and wailing pitifully when others do that to a volunteer fire department.

    I am both a career FF in a medium sized city and a volunteer in a small rural community. I find the use of drugs or alcohol while on duty, or as a volly being under the influence when responding to be absolutley without any defense at all. However, my viewpoint is now clear that I will not jump on the bash the FF bandwagon until the proof is out and clear.

    Just an editorial comment...as a 2 hatter it is quite interesting to me to see why we have trouble moving ahead in the fire service in this country. We spend so much time bashing each other we need no outside forces to destroy us. Some vollies hate the paid guys, some paid guys hate the vollies, even some paid guys that were vollies hate the vollies. Heck 3 days out of 9 I hate the vollies and 6 days out of 9 I hate the paid guys. Talk about a split personality!! To me all this crap boils down to is that stupid mindless endless argument. Although, I guess there are some paid guys who want to jump on the FDNY too.

    I am proud of the 2 departments I am associated with. I think within our resources we do a heck of a good job for our citizens. That does not mean I can't admire and appreciate the job done by the FDNY, Boston, Chicago, LA City and County, Phoenix and even closer to home Milwaukee. I don't want to be them and everything they do may not work for us, but if they have something that they do that we can learn from why reinvent the wheel over and over and over.

    Stay safe all of my Brothers and Sisters.

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    Fyred, I can agree with your post. I concede to it.


    PAVolunteer,

    Looks like we are on the same page to an extent. and BTW, like the ICON! Go Flyers! (Caps lost Jagr, I am disgruntled with them now..LOL)

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    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    It is shocking to alot of people Dave. These are the "Report from Engine Co. 82" guy, the guys everyone put high up on a pedestal after 9-11, the guys who are part of the worlds largest professional Fire Department.
    Just a nitpick, IIRC the Tokyo fire department has something like 14,000, I think that they are the largest. They also have 7 robots, I like robots.

    Sorry if it offends the regular posters from the FDNY, but their Department is no better than yours, mine or ours.
    Lets lighten up people, everybody is human (except those robots in disquse) so lets all get along...

    OR LETS GET IT ON!!!

    PVFD (My Voly) Vs. FDNY

    Tale of the tape (From FDNY website and My PVFD info cheat sheet)

    NYC Population - 8,008,278
    PVFD Fire District Population- 1,000

    FDNY Coverage Area- 321.8 Sq. Miles
    PVFD coverage area- 740 Sq. Miles

    FDNY Personel- 12,000(?) Nice round number anyway
    PVFD personel- 27

    FDNY Units: ? Lots of pumpers and Tucks?
    PVFD units: 9 Brush, 3 tenders (water tankers that dont fly), 2 pumpers, 1 CAFS, 1 Command, 1 Support

    FDNY Terrain: Urban Jugle
    PVFD Terrain: Western US mix of prairie, badlands, pine forest, small town

    FDNY mission: Firefighting, Hazmat, EMS (more?)
    PVFD mission: Firefighting, EMS support calls, no actualy ambulance EMS mission, there is a seperate Voly ambulance crew

    While we (PVFD) cover nearly twice as many square miles as the FDNY, they have 8000 times our population, and about 445 times our manpower.



    Looking at the square miles covered, one could concieve that we are under staffed.

    PVFD firefighters per square mile: .036 firefighters per square mile
    FDNY firefighters per square mile: 37.4 firefighters per square mile

    The FDNY has 1039 times more firefighters per square mile then the PVFD does.

    But, when comparing the proportions of manpower per population, the FDNY seems very under staffed.

    PVFD firefighters per citizen: 0.027
    FNCY firefighters per citizen: 0.0015

    The PVFD has 18 times more firefighters per citzen then the FDNY does.

    A look at the fire stats, 2002 (FDNY stats link: http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/sta...cwsum_cy02.pdf):

    FDNY total fires for 2002: 51563 fires of all types.
    PVFD total fires for 2002: 62 fires of all types (mostly wildfire)

    Fires per firefighter FDNY 2002: 4.29 fires
    Fires per firefighter PVFD 2002: 2.29

    The FDNY firefighter on average fought 2 more fires in 2002 then did a PVFD fire fighter. Of course there are FDNY firefighers that made many more fires then that, as there are PVFD firefighters that never miss a call, but that is the average from the stats I have on hand from FDNY website and my PVFD records I keep handy for grants.

    But, lets now examine what the FDNY terms as "Serious Incidents" ("those fires that imply severity, from "all hands", which is a fire or incident where an minimum of four fire units are fully engauged, to 5th alarm or higher."

    Everyone of the PVFD call ran in 2002 meet the FDNY definition of a "serious incident" due to the fact that each page out brings the majority of the 27 PVFD firefighters. Given that the PVFD vehicle staffing requirment is 2 firefighters (1 under special circumstances), the 4 unit reponse is a given at every incident.

    Serious incidents for 2002:

    FDNY serious incidents: 2946 for .25 serious incidents per firefighter
    PVFD serious incidents: 62 for 2.29 serious incidetns per firefighter

    When one compares the budgets of the FDNY to the PVFD, it is very shocking... and very amusing. But, since that is so very lop sidded, lets compare the budget the FDNY spends on one firefighter to the entire PVFD fire budget. I will take the salary listed on the FDNY website for a 5 year veteran firefigher. I will use this number bacause the average experience for the PVFD is 5 or greater years.

    FDNY 5 year veterain compensation: $61,511 (70,000)
    PVFD anual yearly budget 3 year average:$55,000

    After you take into acount the money spent on one 5 year FDNY veterain for training and equiping, I would approximate that the FDNY 5 year veterain budget would reach about 70,000$.

    The FDNY spends 22% more on one firefighter then the PFVD spends on its year firefighting budget.

    While statistics are fun, lets examine actualy fireground senarios.

    Senario 1, Fighting fire in NYC:

    Hell, we dont even have a ladder truck. We would be screwed fighting fire in NY!!! Our 2 tired old pumpers and our CAFS wildland heavy, the units that put out our structure and vehicle fires are wholy and completely unsuited for the fire enviroment in NYC. Let alone the staffing requirment. Our 27 guys, even if they didnt have to worry about working their day job, would be streatched so thin that we would soon be overwhealmed by the fire situation. The ensuing firestorm would in short order comsume the entirety of NYC. We would be shamed beyond belief, we would be the laughing stock of the world, and then the criminal negligence trials would begin.

    The FDNY has over the years perfected fighting fire in their coverage area. Every piece of equipment, from the pumpers/ladders to the PPE is idealy suited to fighting fire in NYC.

    The FDNY record for fighting fire in this environment is legendary.

    Senario 2, Fighting fire in Rural Montana:

    But, if they come out here to the great plains/badlands of Montana, I do belive my Voly department would have the upper hand. I dont know how many brush trucks the FDNY has, but I am reasonalby sure we are better prepared for the western wildland fire season then the FDNY is. I would like to see them take tower truck up a logging trail! Not gonna happen. Their black PPE and leather helmets, while cool, are NOT COOL! I shudder to imagine the touture of trying to chink in hotline on a running forest fire while whearing black PBI turnouts and 5 pounds of dead cow on your head. Pass the gatoraid! So, not only are their vehicles completely unsiuted to our fire evnvironment, their PPE is also very wrong. It may be possible for them to take their huge amount of manpower and hose, hook their pumper up to the nearest lake, and surround/drowned a large running MT wildfire, but that is an unproven tactic.

    The PVFD has over the years perfected fighting fire in their district. Every piece of equipment, from vehicles to PPE, is completly focused and ideal for fighting fire in the PVFD fire district.

    The PVFD record for fighting fire in this environement is legendary.

    Conclusion

    While one could argue either way in this PVFD Vs. FDNY discussion, I am going out on a limb and calling this one...

    A DRAW!!!

    I can not in good consious proclaim that my VFD is better then the FDNY. But, I can not in good concious concede that the FDNY is better then my VFD.

    Hopefully that will lighten up everyones mood. Dont be to hard on the FDNY, and dont be hard on the podunk VFDs, they both have thier own uniqe problems to deal with.

    And we are all human.

    Except those damn robots in disguise.
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    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

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    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    Samson you only forgot 1 thing,But its a big one.
    When FDNY shows up in your town the pop DOUBLES !!!!
    how will that affect your numbers?

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    Originally posted by firemanpat29
    Samson you only forgot 1 thing,But its a big one.
    When FDNY shows up in your town the pop DOUBLES !!!!
    how will that affect your numbers?
    That alone would more then qualify as a "Serious Incident"!!!



    We would have to call in the MT National Gaurds just to feed everybody!
    -Brotherhood: I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

    -Adversity: That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    Arguing with me is like arguing with a brick wall.
    That about says it all.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Tiller,

    Someone isn't kissing my rear??? You obviously have your own misconceptions about me and the FDNY in general. I'll defend my brothers if they are defamed, unlike you who will do everything to distance himself from every single one of them.

    Having an argument because I disagree with the basis for your comments doesn't make me foolish in any way. It is clear with your attempts to change the subject to unrealated incidents such as Allan Baird or other Volly problems and topics that have nothing to do with the issue at hand that the source of your comments comes from some insecurity or deep bitterness you feel towards the FDNY.

    If that isn't enough proof you said it yourself:
    It is more of a "FDNY vs. the Rest of the Fire Service" aspect for me.
    Some make clear and concise points about the relevant topic at hand...you bring up all sorts of references to volly problems in depts that no one(other than you) here has made mention of(at least in this thread).

    If you think reading a newspaper article gives you the facts...place the DailyNews, Post, Times, etc. next to each other. Look at how the "facts" change signifigantly in many stories about the same incident they write about, not just FDNY or NYPD stories.

    Do a search, I don't think you will find us on the front page of Firehouse.com ( I guess that is a tabloid media outlet too) unless it is referencing a significant (fire or EMS related) incident in our area.
    The reason seems to escape you that your dept isn't on the cover of firehouse.com because you aren't the largest FD, you don't have a highly competitive media market(refering to the tabliod like papers of NYC not FH.com).

    You resort to immature and disloyal comments or juvinile name calling and some riduculous diatribe that no one can't even begin to address:
    Fyred Up, it's puzzle time.

    Gimme a Two-word phrase that starts with "F" and ends with "U?"

    Can be a verb or a noun. Insert it into your brain from me to you tough guy, and have a nice day. And end that with a "G.F.Y." (If you can figure that one out.
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    If it makes me look bad or could possible implicate me, I will damn sure abandon them.
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    but risking your own butt to keep someone out of trouble is NOT WORTH IT!
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    Save yourself the energy in your fingers dude. Arguing with me is like arguing with a brick wall. I will be here until I get banned or you shut up or get angry and ignore me. I won't back down from my position on this issue. What are you gonna do about my opinion? Come down and beat me up?.....LOL (that would be pretty childish)
    I'm glad you said it yourself "tough guy"

    Although I've never met a brick walls as so obvioulously jealous and bitter as you!

    You first distance yourself from the PGFD then your own vol fire company! Wow..you are man of loyalty! Sampson understands it..how come you can't?(see below)

    I'll say it again:

    "Apparently you only know and understand the easy half of brotherhood...not the difficult half."

    FTM-PTB

    PS:
    "A DRAW!!!

    I can not in good consious proclaim that my VFD is better then the FDNY. But, I can not in good concious concede that the FDNY is better then my VFD."

    SamsonFCDES,
    Thats it, you've got it! Take pride in your dept no matter where you are. I stand by my brothers and you can stand by yours. Make your own traditions, and don't try to bring down others to make yourself feel better.

    FTM-PTB
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    I did read what you typed and I STAND BEHIND what I wrote. You cannot bash another fire department, career or volunteer, while at the same time moaning and wailing pitifully when others do that to a volunteer fire department.
    FyredUp ...

    First - Please post where I bashed another FD.

    Second - You clearly are not getting it. I am not moaning and wailing pitifully when others call out a volunteer fire department, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THEM. What I am questioning is why the attitude changes when it's about the Fire Department of the City of New York.

    Tiller ... to an extent, yes ... you just take that extent a whole lot further than I ever could ...

    ... and as for Jagr ... he was never truly a Capital ... he was just a Penguin in a Washington uniform ...

    Stay Safe

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    I dont know how many brush trucks the FDNY has
    We gotta bunch of these:
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