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    Default Alcohol use and discipline

    I would like to get some feedback on a recent event that is controversial within my organization.

    The department (private department with paid and volunteer staff) adopted a policy that says you can't drink alcoholic beverages within 8 hours prior to going to a run or participating in a training.

    Is this unreasonable?

    The chief was recently confronted about violating the policy after being confronted with allegations of smelling like he had been drinking. He admitted the fact that he had been drinking and the resigned.

    Is it unreasonable to expect the fire chief not to drink before coming to a training or an emergency response?

    Some of the members think we don't need any SOP's or rules because we are a small organization. It seems that any fire department needs SOPs, rules, and discipline to operate safely and effectively.


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    That policy sounds reasonable and appropriate. Those wishing for a world without rules are living a fantasy. If your Chief doesn't even use sound enough judgement to not go on calls with alcohol in his/her system then what do you think the junior officers or firefighters will do?

    8 hours is reasonable. Those who do not think so may need to re-evaluate their priorities. Safety vs Inebriation.

    Your customers expect a clean, strong, well-trained firefighter or EMT to show up at their door with all their equipment and mental faculties intact. I guess what they want is not as important as a beer.

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    Eight hours between the bottle and the nozzle!
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    I guess the chief doesn't really believe in Leading by Example, huh?

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    SOP's are important no matter how big or small your organization and everyone, make that EVERYONE, should abide by them except under the most exigent circumstances.

    And 8 hrs is not unreasonable.
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    Do we really need to dredge this up again?
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    ohioff1, what Duffman is referring to is that the subject of alcohol in fire stations has received lots of airtime in the forums and is a pretty well-beaten dead horse. You can find all you want to know (and then some) by doing a search.

    Since this was your first post, I think that those of us who are really tired of the whole thing can cut you a little slack.

    You concerns about SOP's are valid. Just because you are a small outfit doesn't mean that they are any less important. Granted, SOP's dont have to nail down every facet of every response to the smallest detail, but they should at least provide a guide for action - even when the situation at hand isn't straight out of the textbook.

    If you don't have any SOP's, how do you hold someone accountable if they really screw up?
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    Do a search using the term "alcohol" for this forums and see what you come up with. Believe me...you do not want to get us going again on this issue.
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    Call me crazy but ..... do we really need to ask such a question in this day and age....lets move on

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    fellas, (and ladies if there are any present) I will admit I hate the threads that are repetitive but did you all see something ? The Chief resigned ! It sounds like this department is ripe for a turn around..........they have obviously decided that EOTH and the job didnt mix..........I hope they get some good people in place to write or get those SOGS and carry on. Best of luck !
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    Well this isn't a difficult one at all. No alcohol before getting on the truck.

    I remember the first time I encountered a situation involving alcohol. We were sent mutual aid to a not so neighboring town for a rather large brush fire. We worked several hours before being relieved for rehab. When we got to the rehab area, the chief of the "host" department said there's Gatorade and Beer over on the truck, help yourself. I nearly had a heart attack when I heard that.

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