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    Default When is a run a run?

    Historically, my department's run numbers have been lower than they should have. Plenty of calls -- especially service runs -- were never logged simply because they weren't notable fires or medicals. We've changed for the better and are more accurately reporting the work we do. However, some shifts are taking it a bit far.

    My general rule has always been that if the company has to do anything, it's a run. The notable exception to this is when people come into the station to have their BP checked. I've never logged that as a run. Other shifts, however, view things differently.

    In your department, what makes a run a run? Are there things you do or services you provide that you don't log down as calls?

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    Any time the apparatus leaves the station to answer a radio, telephone, or walk-up request for service it's logged as a run. Any time personnel have to perform firefighting duties or emergency medical treatment at the station it's logged as a run. We don't log BP checks as runs.

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    we log a run when we leave the station with lights and sirens going, anything else i don't think we log. we don't get all that many calls/yr, like recently we had someone call one of the firefighters and ask if we could do a CO test, the rescue truck left with 2 personnel but i don't think it was recorded. but if they would have called the emergency phone number or 911, it would have been recorded.

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    I think a run is any type of dispatched call that your 911 Center gets and your dispatch center tones out the FD for... Doesn't matter if it is a call for a dog stuck in a hole or cat in a tree it is still a good intent call to help the community and the person that called in.... We make a calls for service sheet for every time our dispatch center tones us out

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    Anytime my dept is toned out we count that as a run. We do not count details or multiple requests for service (example if we have heavy rains w/ basement flooding that is more than an isolated incident we count that as one incident and only log one run, even if it lasts 3 days and we service over 100 homes).
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    IMHO, it's in your best interests to log any type of service activity as a run. For example, my dept. has a full-time FF on duty Mon-Fri and a part-timer nights and weekends. It's the responsibility of that member on duty to handle, for example, CO calls that don't require the immediate response of the whole dept. This is still logged as a run.

    First of all, it documents your response, emergency or not. This could potentially bite you if there should ever be any legal action regarding the "call" you were on.

    Secondly, it is an accurate way of displaying your activity. You know you were busier than the 100 "logged calls" you have, but does your local government, funding agency, or the public that you serve. They may not be 300 structure fires but 300 runs looks better than 150 runs when you need to ask for more funding, higher staffing levels and so on.

    To do anything less than documenting all your activity is selling yourself short. Think about it.
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    Anytime we go out the door; fire call, medical, service, haz-mat, it's considered a call. If we have someone come to the station for a fire or ems call, it's a run. I've never had someone come to just get their BP checked. If it's for something other than to just have it checked I would consider it a call. If it is something worth writing a report for, its a call.

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    A run is a run is a run.

    Any time you go out the door on the apparatus to any type of call, where it is fire, EMS, to check a smell or the see why the bell is ringing, it is listed as a run. If a citizn comes to the station with their call on fire or with chest pains it is a run.

    We don't care how they come in either by the vocal system, telephone walk in or drive up, we are going to have an incident number assigned and call it what it is. A RUN


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    Try this for defining a "Run": "Any unscheduled trip from the station, at the request of a Customer, to investigate or mitigate any situation that may constitute an Emergency in the eye of the Customer." That's one example of several that I've Heard, and it seems to cover all bases. Scheduled things such as inspections, Alarm tests, School fire drills, etc. are planned ahead of time, thus they are not "emergencies". A "Walk in Customer" with an unplanned medical event such as a laceration or chest pain is an emergency since it is A: unplanned, and B: could lead to life threatening consequences. A storm that floods basements all over town is not an emergency. Each flooded basement becomes an emergency when a customer calls for help. Each basement and it's owner/occupant is separate and distinct from the others, constituting a separate "Run" for each. That's how it works here. Stay Safe....
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    Some Departments up in this area log everything as a run. it can actually get a little obserd. My Dept. we log all emergency runs. auto and house lock outs, medicals and thats about it. but some towns around here log all permit inspections as runs if someone wants a burning permit it gets a run number. so it can get crazy.

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    Every call is a run. Not every run is a worker.

    Hence: Runs and Workers.

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    Obviously, any time our E-911 Center dispatches us for a call, we get a run number for it. Cases such as medical walk in's to the station, and self-dispatches where someone calls the station and wants us to "check something out", we call fire dispatch via phone and have them generate a run number for us.

    In our County, even when our Chiefs get dispatched for a "Chiefs Investigation", the department is given a run #.
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    Anytime we get a run number from dispatch it counts. Whether we are dispatched by them or call for a number on a walk-up. If we self dispatch or come upon a potential call, again we contact dispatch to get a number. At times we will get toned, but cancelled prior to going in service, it gets logged in the station log, but not on the computer, hence it don't count in the big picture.
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    Anytime our county pulls a complaint and hits our tones for Fire or EMS it's a run
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    "Any unscheduled trip from the station, at the request of a Customer, to investigate or mitigate any situation that may constitute an Emergency in the eye of the Customer."
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    Originally posted by RedBank24
    Any time the apparatus leaves the station to answer a radio, telephone, or walk-up request for service it's logged as a run. Any time personnel have to perform firefighting duties or emergency medical treatment at the station it's logged as a run. We don't log BP checks as runs.
    If we don't do it nobody else will!!!!

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    Originally posted by RedBank24
    Any time the apparatus leaves the station to answer a radio, telephone, or walk-up request for service it's logged as a run. Any time personnel have to perform firefighting duties or emergency medical treatment at the station it's logged as a run. We don't log BP checks as runs.
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    HUH? I must have lost something in hotboy's statement.

    Of course the fire department will respond to what ever calls that is given to them. Yes, firefighters should be doing blood pressure checks if you are an EMS first responder, EMT and up. There is no reason why the public can't get free blood pressure checks at the station. If the pressure is high and after you have checked it several times to be sure, then depending on the pressure reading, the citizen should be told to go to their doctor or if necessary be sent or taken to the nesrest emergency room.

    After all, firefighters are hired and stationed in the houses to provide a service. This is a little part of the service we provide.

    Stay Safe & Well out there.

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    Anytime we are dispatched it is a run. Senior Day BP's dont count, people wanting their BP checked doesnt count. BS Fire alarms , medical alarms, CO checks etc along with all the other stuff = a run number for us.
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    If we get a phone call or radio call for service its a run and we fill out a IC report just to cover our rears.
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    Question Uhhhhhhhhh...............................

    Those of you who aren't keen on BP checks - In my experience as an EMT-B, in Maryland, a BP check is a part of a standard patient evaluation protocol and must be documented. Food for thought. (if it's a "run" or not is up to you.)
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    Ummmmmmmmmmmm Harv, if someone stops at the staion to just have their BP checked there is no actual assesment unless they have a chief complaint ,or it is WAY out of normal limits.
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    Ummmmmmmmmmmm Harv, if someone stops at the staion to just have their BP checked there is no actual assesment unless they have a chief complaint ,or it is WAY out of normal limits.
    That's how we see it too. We're an unmanned vollie station but sometimes folks stop by city hall wanting a BP check. The dispatcher just calls one of us that lives close to the station and it isn't logged as a run. Now, if we get there and something trips a red flag then it is full assessment time and things start getting written on PCRs.

    Otherwise, if we're dispatched, respond as a result of a walk-up report, or happen upon the event ourselves, it is logged as a run.

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    Default Re: Not Exactly................................

    Originally posted by FlyingKiwi



    Like when the siren goes eh.

    Originally posted by hwoods



    No, not really, Our siren doesn't go "eh", it goes "Wooooooooooo"

    LMFAO!!!!
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