Why register? ...To Enhance Your Experience
+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: Traitor???

  1. #1
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    736

    Default Traitor???

    February 13, 2004

    Traitor?
    U.S. soldier arrested; allegedly tried to pass info to al-Qaida

    Combined wire services

    Washington – A member of the Washington State National Guard was taken into custody yesterday to face possible charges that he tried to pass information to the al-Qaida terrorist network.
    Army officials said the soldier, Spc. Ryan G. Anderson, whose 81st Armor Brigade is scheduled to deploy to Iraq next month, is being held at Fort Lewis, near Tacoma, where the authorities will determine whether enough evidence exists to charge him.
    His apprehension followed a brief investigation by the FBI, the Department of Justice and Army officials after they learned that Anderson had used a computer to try to contact al-Qaida cells in the United States and, as one Army official said, "offer his services."
    Anderson converted to Islam five years ago and studied military history with an emphasis on the Middle East while attending Washington State University, his hometown newspaper, The Everett Herald, reported last week.
    Anderson is a tank crew member of the 81st Armor Brigade, a 4,000-member unit headed for a one-year deployment in Iraq. The deployment is the biggest for the Washington Army National Guard since World War II.
    The Army now has several weeks for the unit commander and a military lawyer to determine whether there is probable cause for formal charges to be filed against Anderson. If probable cause is found, he would face the equivalent of a grand jury investigation, after which the commander would decide whether to initiate a court-martial.
    If Anderson is charged, his case would become the latest in which U.S. soldiers have been formally accused of espionage. Currently, cases are pending against four members of the military who were stationed at the U.S military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the United States is detaining hundreds of prisoners who were captured fighting in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
    A fifth U.S. soldier, Sgt. Hasan K. Akbar, is facing a murder trial on charges of throwing grenades into tents and shooting at officers at an U.S. base in Kuwait last year.
    The Army released only sketchy information about Anderson. But The Everett Herald reported yesterday that he was 26 and was a member of a tank crew at Fort Lewis. It also said that he graduated from Cascade High School in 1995 and from Washington State University in 2002 with a degree in military history, specializing in the Middle East.


  2. #2
    MembersZone Subscriber MalahatTwo7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Loco madidus effercio in rutilus effercio.
    Posts
    12,837

    Default

    I think I will refer this thread to George's on the varying degrees of canine lineage.......

    As a professional soldier, I naturally dont take very kindly to this sort of behaviour. We no longer carry the death sentence for treason... but sometimes I wish we did.
    If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

    "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

    "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

    Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

    impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

    IACOJ member: Cheers, Play safe y'all.

  3. #3
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    ohio
    Posts
    464

    Default

    Isn't treason still punishable by death during times of declared war?

  4. #4
    Temporarily/No Longer Active Cellblock776's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Posts
    319

    Default

    The enemy could be anyone. Trust no one. Suspect everyone. What a sad world to have to live in.

  5. #5
    Forum Member stm4710's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    1,713

    Default

    If there wrong.....we owe him a apology.
    If were right.......death and death only.
    I dont suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

  6. #6
    IACOJ BOD FlyingKiwi's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    4,757

    Default

    The enemy could be anyone. Trust no one. Suspect everyone. What a sad world to have to live in.
    If there wrong.....we owe him a apology. If were right.......death and death only.
    Da Brain Trust works overtime.

    Gets a 10.



    Bugga, can't count
    Psychiatrists state 1 in 4 people has a mental illness.
    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

  7. #7
    Forum Member Robertsc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    103

    Default

    this is eerily familiar to the last case of Yee where the accused him and found they couldn't back it up good so they charged him with adultery and porn on a government computer. Thinking it will have the same outcome.
    "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear" - Ambrose Redmoon
    “It’s like Lego’s for firefighters.” Robert James III talking about hose appliances.
    "Police, Firefighters and EMS are the most collectively dysfunctional group of people in existence and only we understand each other!"

  8. #8
    Forum Member DaSharkie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Posts
    4,713

    Default

    As a former Marine, I believe that I can speak with a certain degree of truth that if this guy is not guilty no one, and I do mean no one, will ever trust him when he is assigned to another unit. He is perceived to be a threat to their own personal safety and the safety of their friends and fellow tankers.

    If he is guilty, he will not be executed or even sentenced to death. You see, there is a wonderful little detention facility called Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. It is down the road from the Federal Correctional Facility at Leavenworth and is administered by the United States Army. If guilty, he will be treated MUCH worse and properly here by the Army. 30 years of detention at hard labor. Yes, the military can still, and does, sentence you to hard labor. Espionage is not looked upon highly, and I am sure his fellow inmates will not treat him with "kid gloves."

    As for treason, it is very difficult to prove, and is, I believe, the only actual crime spelled out in the constitution. It is punishable by death, in time of peace or war. The last people executed for treason, I think, were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, almost 50 years ago. I'd much rather see him suffer at Leavenworth, let him think about what he did. It isn't worth a few minutes of nervousness when a needle is slid into his vein and he drifts off to sleep.
    "Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like." Will Rogers

    The borrower is slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7 - Debt free since 10/5/2009.

    "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." - New York Judge Gideon Tucker

    "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." - Dave Barry

    www.daveramsey.com www.clarkhoward.com www.heritage.org

  9. #9
    MembersZone Subscriber E229Lt's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Posts
    2,987

    Default

    It isn't worth a few minutes of nervousness when a needle is slid into his vein and he drifts off to sleep.
    May I suggest a 21 gun salute?

  10. #10
    Forum Member DeputyChiefGonzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Somewhere between genius and insanity!
    Posts
    13,582

    Default

    Originally posted by E229Lt


    May I suggest a 21 gun salute?

    Use [size=huge] BIG GUNS![/size]
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
    Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

  11. #11
    District Chief distchief60b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    6,413

    Default

    Me thinks it should be a 42 gun salute!
    09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
    ------------------------------
    IACOJ Minister of Southern Comfort
    "Purple Hydrant" Recipient (3 Times)
    BMI Investigator
    ------------------------------
    The comments, opinions, and positions expressed here are mine. They are expressed respectfully, in the spirit of safety and progress. They do not reflect the opinions or positions of my employer or my department.

  12. #12
    MembersZone Subscriber MalahatTwo7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Loco madidus effercio in rutilus effercio.
    Posts
    12,837

    Default

    42 Guns?? Only if he is allowed to stand just forward of the trunions: not for them to be pointed AT him.. just beside and a bit forward would be just fine and dandy.

    Any of you armoured/artillery guys know what I mean.
    If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)

    "I may be slow, but my work is poor." Chief Dave Balding, MVFD

    "Its not Rocket Science. Just use a LITTLE imagination." (Me)

    Get it up. Get it on. Get it done!

    impossible solved cotidie. miracles postulo viginti - quattuor hora animadverto

    IACOJ member: Cheers, Play safe y'all.

  13. #13
    District Chief distchief60b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    6,413

    Default

    Malahat....how about this one. Put him out in the dessert somewhere and tie him to a pole. Have special forces "paint the target" and have several F15s just do some low flying and the whole time he will wonder which one is gonna give him the "gift of love!"
    09-11 .. 343 "All Gave Some..Some Gave ALL" God Bless..R.I.P.
    ------------------------------
    IACOJ Minister of Southern Comfort
    "Purple Hydrant" Recipient (3 Times)
    BMI Investigator
    ------------------------------
    The comments, opinions, and positions expressed here are mine. They are expressed respectfully, in the spirit of safety and progress. They do not reflect the opinions or positions of my employer or my department.

  14. #14
    HNFC FF/President mdoddsjffhnfc's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Camden County, NJ
    Posts
    587

    Default

    actually this guy can be sentenced to death.

    I was just listening to soldiers radio live (provided by Army.mil) and they stated that if he's found guilty on one of the specific charges (i don't remember what the article was called) that he could face death. But, if he's found gulity on the other article, he would only face 20 years.

    *information courtesy of www.Army.mil Soldiers Radio Live
    Firefighter, Volunteering since Oct 2001

    CCFA 05-04, best overall class for 2005
    "GOOD GAME!"

  15. #15
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    87

    Default

    The only bad thing about him ending up at Leavenworth is that they just opened a new prision to replace the old one.
    GFIRE

  16. #16
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Coffee City, Texas, USA
    Posts
    23

    Default

    Ah yes, just beside and a bit forward of the trunions would do nicely Nothing is to good for someone who would sell us out, including staking out over a fire ant bed, know I mean? STAY SAFE

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts