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    Default I Wonder Which University Basket Weaving Class These Troops Will Come From?

    In view of the thread on the Canadian Defence Budget woes..... oh wait the closure of five bases will just about make up for the expense of flying these guys south. Other than the fact we just don't have the manpower for such a thing.

    Martin to offer Canadian troops to possible UN stabilization force in Haiti

    STEPHEN THORNE Canadian Press Sunday, February 29, 2004

    OTTAWA (CP) - Prime Minister Paul Martin will tell the UN that Canada is ready to join an international stabilization force in Haiti.

    "We'll be there when the conditions are right," Foreign Minister Bill Graham reported on Sunday after embattled President Jean-Bertrand Aristide fled the country after two weeks of rising violence. "It's important to get some forces in there. "I understand from speaking to (U.S. Secretary of State) Colin Powell this morning that the Americans will be landing troops today - at the invitation, of course, of the president."

    In a statement, Martin said Canada hopes Aristide's departure "will halt any further escalation of violence and allow for a new stability to emerge for the people of Haiti. We urge all parties involved to respect constitutional order and the rule of law.

    "Canada will contribute to a United Nations-authorized multinational force for Haiti. The exact nature of this contribution will be determined in the coming days following consultation with partners."

    Martin was to make the offer Monday while presenting a UN commission report on the private sector and development. Government officials said military planners were hammering out specific options for cabinet to consider this week.

    The UN Security Council voted unanimously Sunday to authorize the immediate deployment of an international military force to Haiti for three months to restore order.

    In Haiti, Yves Petillon, head of the Canadian International Development Agency's aid program in the country and one of only five Canadians left working out of the ambassador's residence, said Sunday that only about 60 Canadians had shown up seeking evacuation.

    "Right now, the situation is very tense," said Petillon. "Many groups are looting in downtown Port-au-Prince.

    "Apparently the evacuation plan is going smoothly. The evacuation is going on right now."

    About 1,000 Canadians are registered with the embassy in Haiti, but Petillon said there are likely many more living in the country. They were told of staging points for military-escorted convoys to the airport, but Petillon said most were heading there on their own.

    Most Canadian aid workers have left, said Petillon, the only Canadian CIDA worker still in the country. He said relatively few Canadians have taken advantage of the opportunity to leave because many are missionaries or Haitian-Canadians.

    "The majority of missionaries in this type of situation decide to stay," he said. "The same, also, for people who are Canadian and at the same time Haitian."

    A company of soldiers - about 120 - from 2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment in Gagetown, N.B., were still standing by in Trenton, Ont., along with members of the Joint Operations Group out of Kingston, Ont.

    Three Hercules transport aircraft dispatched on Saturday were operating out of the neighbouring Dominican Republic, each able to take about 60 people at a time. Graham said there were about 50 Canadian troops in the region as of Sunday.

    An unidentified embassy official at the airport confirmed at noon on Sunday that few Canadians had shown up. She said those who came would be taken to Santo Domingo, capital of the Dominican Republic.

    A Foreign Affairs spokesman said later that there had been two outbound flights by the Hercules transports on Sunday, with 28 Canadians on the first plane and 17 on the second.

    Many routes to the airport had roadblocks and she said the safety of the trip "depends on where you come from."

    Petillon agreed that many routes are not safe, but "with the Canadian soldiers, it's not a problem to go from the new embassy to the airport."

    Canadian troops were at the airport ensuring the safety of Hercules flights in and out.

    Darren Gibb, a spokesman for Defence Minister David Pratt, said the Canadian military is offering "flights of opportunity, meaning should Canadians want to leave, we will help them do that."

    "We're not saying right now when they're going in or where they're going, for security reasons," he added.

    There are two teams on the ground in Haiti - a group of planners co-ordinating the evacuation, and a small unit of JTF-2 special forces troops protecting the ambassador and embassy staff. The Hercs are also supplying those two detachments.

    Graham said Canadian Forces are clearly stretched, with multiple deployments, including Bosnia and Afghanistan. But he said Martin, Pratt and the chief of defence staff, Gen. Ray Henalt, have been considering military options since last Wednesday.

    "I'm confident they'll be able to provide the number of troops necessary to make a real contribution. They've already got some 50 troops down there at the moment, helping in the humanitarian process of removing people."

    Graham said Aristide made no request to Canada for sanctuary, nor was any offered. But Canada will be looking to do as much as it can for Haiti, he said.

    "We do have a special relationship with Haiti," said Graham. "Apart from being a francophone country and having our large diaspora in Montreal, we have a good track record in Haiti.

    "I think the prime minister would like to see how we can translate that into making sure that the transition is smooth and that we can try to get Haiti on the way to democracy."

    Graham said there has not been a flood of Haitian refugees looking to get into Canada, nor does he expect one. At the same time, Canada is not deporting Haitian refugee claimants.

    "We want to stabilize Haiti as quickly as possible to prevent people from having to leave the island."

    Petillon said CIDA programs in Haiti are continuing with local workers. The agency has given more than $1 million to the World Food Program, $300,000 to the International Red Cross and another $300,000 to the Pan-American Health Organization.

    Petillon said the agency is considering proposals from several other locally based humanitarian organizations and expects to approve some over the coming days.

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    **Shrugging shoulders and shaking head** I don't know the answer to that question either. Would be nice to have a straight answer... but wait this is government we are talking about There is no logic or meaning in that reference.
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    Originally posted by CollegeBuff
    *Patiently awaits explanation of how, exactly, thugs with guns in Haiti represents a significant Canadian interest whereas Saddam Hussein in control of Iraq did not.*
    Thugs with guns in Haiti can speak French, and may want to move into Canada under the guise of political asylum... maybe the Canadian government is afraid that Le Parti Quebecois is recruiting these armed thugs for another attempt in gaining independence?
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    Originally posted by CollegeBuff
    *Patiently awaits explanation of how, exactly, thugs with guns in Haiti represents a significant Canadian interest whereas Saddam Hussein in control of Iraq did not.*
    Perhaps bright red uniform of Mounties blends in better with Haitians native garb vs tan colored clothes of the Bedouins

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    Default AND THEN THIS HAPPENS

    This came from the Calgary Sun political cartoon page......
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    Mind you we saw the Canadian Special Forces guarding the airport waiting for the US forces to arrive on the news the other night.

    Looked very effective until one said "Yup, we want the Americans here as fast as possible, they are bringing the bullets eh."
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    **standing on the street corner with a sign**


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    OK, Barney, you get one bullet and you have to keep it in you shirt pocket.
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