Allow me to reiterate my original post in answer to your assinine post...
You are another idiot with no fracking clue.
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06-03-2008, 02:20 PM #61
Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 06-03-2008 at 08:52 PM."The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
06-03-2008, 07:02 PM #62Mark Zanghetti
Goshen Fire Dept.
06-03-2008, 08:14 PM #63
Hey stove meat head- Where you from, what do you do....cause I bet ice cream for a week that Gonzo has forgotten about more fire than you have seen in your entire career!!!!!!"Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."
06-16-2008, 01:43 AM #64
A Chief retired from a small town career fire department in our county. When he did, the City Manager decided it would be a good time to save the city some money, and not pay the firefighters on duty from 2200-0700 because they were "sleeping". They were paid for the time they were up if they had to get up for a call.
Needless to say...this didn't last too long.
Oh..during the time there was no Fire Chief....the Police Chief was also the Fire Chief. So much for having a Deputy Chief!
A busy shift at my station consists of 4 runs. I think I'm about to graduate into the big leagues of a large city department though . Looking forward to being treated like dirt in the academy I'm ready to run 4 calls before lunch!
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06-16-2008, 11:58 AM #65
4 runs before lunch? how about 4 before breakfast!
Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 06-16-2008 at 05:01 PM."The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
06-16-2008, 01:52 PM #66
Eh guys... yeah, the situation is similar to that of my composite station back home. The guys are "volunteering" between similar hours and on OT if a call comes in during that time. Problem is they would get home late enough and have to be back at the station for turnover early enough that most of them agree it's better to just stay at the station. Rumour was the shift was designed for just that reason- to make going home just enough of a pain in the *** that the guys would agree to not go home.
But admittedly the guys got used to it and seem to do okay with it. I still think it's one of those things nagging gripes that won't go away.
Solution? New chief... We'll know in September when the current one retires.
As for my other gig... as I might have mentioned before we're not allowed to sleep on the industrial side. No justification other than "we get paid too much." Nice- they pay a frickin garbage man 80k a year... and we're told we get paid too much to do OUR job?Ian "Eno" McLeod
Senior Firefighter /EMT-A, A Shift
HESD / OFD
"To me, the charm of an encyclopedia is that it knows and I needn't."
06-16-2008, 04:59 PM #67
4 before breakfast would be amazing
I'm ready to get out of this little station!
06-16-2008, 07:22 PM #68
06-16-2008, 10:15 PM #69
This coming from the guy who left 21?
07-08-2008, 05:12 AM #70The opinions are mine alone, and do not represent the department I am with, or any firefighters I work with.
07-13-2008, 02:15 AM #71
We change shifts at 0700.
Bedhall useage is "officially" authorized from 1300-1600 and 2030-0630.Robert Kramer
Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.
"Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.
Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.
01-02-2010, 11:18 PM #72
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02-19-2010, 02:47 AM #73
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- RDU, NC
Shift starts at 0800, house duties and breakfast/ BS'ing until lunch, some guys PT.
1300-1600 is supposed to be "training time". One Batt Chief has restricted 1200-1330 as personal time (allowing for naps).
1600 and on is your time...
Weekends and holidays are chill...
If anyone has that documentation on napping and reducing your chances of heart disease, I'd love to get a copy of it!
02-19-2010, 05:04 PM #74
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our chief has told us that most days we only have about 5 hours of work to do (not counting runs) and outside of that we can sleep if we want, as long as it's not in the recliners (the "public" might see us)
although some braniacs think that means awake from 6-1300, and complain if training or inspections or whatever have to be pushed back until the afternoon
03-06-2010, 04:47 PM #75
there has been many days that I have come in to work, checked out the stuff, done the station crap, eaten breakfast and been in bed by 10am.
Now, some outside of our job would look at that and think, man, what lazy *** firefighters... nothing but a bunch of slobs...
but, working in a first response area that includes highrises, 3 jails, 3 homeless shelters and what not, being on an EMS unit on the weekends when all the party go-ers are out, i'm going to get all the sleep I can when I can because I know i'm gonna be up all night.
And when your medic is doing 15-20 runs a day and the pumper is doing just as many, your not going to see a bunch of guys up all day because they know that, more than likely they are going to be up all night and they are no good to themselves, to each other and to the public if they are dead tiredThe Box. You opened it. We Came...
"You'll take my life but I'll take your's too. You'll fire musket but I'll run you through. So when your waiting for the next attack, you'll better understand there's no turn back."
03-07-2010, 10:39 PM #76
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If i as a volunteer can go home and sleep in my bed at night then why cant the paid guys sleep in their bunks? Ive had those days where a tone drops at 0030 get back to the station at 0700 run home shower and go to work then on the way home have a tone drop at 1800 get home at 2300 in bed at 0000 and the another tone at 0030 get home after 1000 and off to work late. I know how i felt during all that and i know the paid guys do that ALL the time. Let em sleep. This isnt a job that you can do tired, thats when people get hurt or killed because they dont think straight.
03-08-2010, 01:44 AM #77
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The big Indianapolis health study that came out a few months ago had some good information on the effects of sleep and the lack of it for firefighters. I don't know if you'll find any comparative studies about 24s vs. 10s/14s because I believe we are pretty unique in how we switch from days to nights back and forth with such frequency.
I believe the health effects are a poop sandwich. Either way we are going to be negatively effected. Whether we get these nights of light and frequently interrupted sleep or stay up all night as sleep during the day. I think its just one of the unavoidable parts of the job.
Id look at it from a cost and morale standpoint. When we go into the bunk room, everything is off by the radios and other items required for receiving alarms. Thats a cost saving in light bulbs and power. Also what can we accomplish? If we are up at night we can't really do much training because of disturbing the community. We can only do extremely limited admin work because all the other admin offices for the dept/city run 9-5. It'll hurt morale because the guys will see it as losing something that made them a little more comfortable for no real gain in productivity. Is it worth it to get the rank and file agitated?
side note for GASTOVERAT
It really only takes 3-5 spaced runs to keep you up from 11-7. That's assuming they are relatively simple runs, any extended on scene time and you're up all night. That wouldn't be a big deal, but work back to back nights like many depts. do and the second night is really rough. Being able to rest when you can is important. Sure they should be sleeping between shifts during the day, but a little thing called life can get in the way.
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03-11-2010, 07:55 PM #78
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One of the major mis-understandings with this sleep issue is the publics mis-understanding of what we actually do.
Being a career firefighter isn't a job. We're not paid a salary for what we do. We're paid a salary for accepting, and living a completely different lifestyle. The public, for the most part don't understand any more about the fire service than what they read on the job announcements when the test is being given. They don't understand the real dangers of the job, what it's like to loose friends doing exactly what you do, what it's like dealing with other peoples suffering and tragidy day in and day out, and the stresses that come with that. Including the stress we all feel shielding our loved ones from the reality of it all.
There aren't too many professions where it sometimes becomes necessary to call your wife in the middle of the night to assure her that you're all right despite the endless "breaking news" stories she's seen all night while you're at work.
And yeah. Given the chance I sleep in the firehouse.
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