I was really just wondering if always removing the windshield before removing the roof was a good idea.
The department I saw the other day simply cut all the posts and folded the roof on to the hood with the windshield still attached. I haven't seen this before and was curious if anyone else ever did a cut like that, or if the windshield was removed and the whole roof lifted off?
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03-11-2004, 06:25 PM #21
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03-12-2004, 03:30 AM #22
Search for "windshield" in this category... we've discussed this many times.
Many people caution against saying "always" and "never."
Keep your options open, and BE READY to move to plans B, C, D... etc.
PERSONALLY (and typically) I opt to take the whole thing. No messing with folds and creases and flaps. Cut the posts, finish the cut on the windshield, and get it out of the way. As has been stated, use caution when moving the assembly near a patient... try to move it forward, or off to a side.
A skilled crew can accomplish this in nearly the same time as it takes to implement a "flap" of some type, so why not try to get the most bang (space, clearance, access) for your time?
BUT there are times when flaps, partial flaps, etc might be the method of choice. Position of obstacles (trees, poles, buildings, etc) plays into this decision a great deal.
03-12-2004, 11:15 AM #23
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Flapping Forward Saves Time, Sometimes Lives
We practice flapping the roof forward as much as possible in today's newer carsfor many reasons.
One point to make clear is that we do not sevre the "a" post we cut app 2-3" back from the windshield on the roof and cut "b" "c" post where indicated by scene. Then we simply flap forward and secure.
Reason #1--with the windshield in tact & roof forward it limits our personnel from making the fatal mistake of working in the frontal airbag locations as in Dayton, OH.
Reason #2--With glass construction constantly changing it is becoming more difficult to remove if we don't work in that area.
Reason #3--Also with newer techniques many times the dash is displaced or raised which then removes windshield and all.
Just a few reasons, which do not stop anyone from removing, or flapping in a different manner.
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03-12-2004, 03:05 PM #24Reason #1--with the windshield in tact & roof forward it limits our personnel from making the fatal mistake of working in the frontal airbag locations as in Dayton, OH
I have also flapped the roof forward using this method, but it depends on the car."This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
03-12-2004, 08:38 PM #25
ditto Bones ..........I could not get that to compute either.....IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
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03-13-2004, 06:02 AM #26
I don't get it either.
I don't think having the windshield intact and 3" of overhanging roof will protect anyone from anything, nor do I think it would have prevented the Dayton incident.
I'm very much all about alternatives and backup plans.
But as a matter of "routine", I feel we should just clear it all away when possible. Take it all. When not possible, use your alternatives: flaps, flops, flips, flip-flops, etc.
We should always try to respect airbag safety zones inside a vehicle.
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