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    Those who are not IAFF members need not even comment on this thread> It is our issue. As far as IAFF endorsements go, the IAFF will endorse candidates on Firefighter issues. Not for anti-abortionists or the NRA or Gay marriage. They will fight for collective bargaining, better staffing, better education for FIREFIGHTERS, better equipment etc. Not the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle or any other outside issue, just as the NRA won't endorse candidates on the basis of collective bargaining or the FIRE act. Does anyone remember where Bush's hatchett first cut???? It was the FIRE act....Immediately after His appointment. Bush has never supported firefighter issues. Don't blame the IAFF for doing what we pay them to do!!!! Fight for OUR issues and Protect US as UNION FIREFIGHTERS!!!!!! I personally don't understand your gripes!

    I stand behind my union 100%

    John Kerry for President in 2004- "OUR" issues

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    Yeah, well when your "special interests" become the "special Interests" of the Non Union American People, maybe we will vote for Kerry. Until then, deal with what you got, look to your local jurisdictions for your problems (not the president, he has enough problems to deal with) and get used to another 4 years of GWB.

    The gripes are chiefly not wanting a SOCIALIST to be the President of the United States!

    No, I am not a union member. And personally, I don't want a Union making choices for who is going to lead this nation. You don't want non union members to post on here? Get over it, you ain't paying for my subscription. I will post where I want and I will do my part in ensuring John "F--king" Kerry is not sworn in as President of the United States next January. If you wanna be a freaking socilaist that is taken care of and babied by the Federal Govt. go to Canada!

    Everyone understands the issues the Fire Service has with GWB, but the end result is your local jurisdiction should be providing you with the necessary things. If they have no money, Raise taxes. I know WVA is a very Liberal place when it comes to Social Issues, so maybe you just expect the Government to take care of you.

    And to the WT, if you choose to move this post ot the appropriate thread, please ensure my post goes with it, Thanks!

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    Well, I AM A MEMBER OF THE IAFF!

    In fact I AM A LOCAL PRESIDENT!

    I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING INVOLVED WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT!

    Im not going sit here and tell war stories, but if there ever were problems in a community and its fire department just ask me. Before you do make sure you have a couple of hours.

    Since I was once a volunteer firefighter, I have respect for them.

    As of right now I'm not sure if I support John Kerry. I certainly like his stance on issues related to my livelyhood. You obviosly are to immature to the fact its not so easy to just "raise taxes". However, I personally feel I need to research his track record and the stories I'm reading about his actions after returning from the Vietnam War.

    But, tillerman25, I respect your right to speak freely, but I'm offended by your post here. If this was a "non-union" bashing thread, all of "us union boyz" would be beheaded.

    The IAFF ,redundantly said, represents the thousands of UNION Firefighters. This organization is not the only "special interest" group campaigning for a President. I certainly wouldnt think that just because the IAFF is endorsing this guy he is going to win!

    I dont know if you are a volunteer or work for a FD that is not organized, but it is the perogative of this UNION or " SPECIAL INTERST GROUP'" as you call us to endorse/support WHOMEVER WE SEE FIT AT ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT JUST LIKE YOU DO!

    There are issues that crooked politicians at the local level have no authority or resources to handle so we must work at all levels of government.

    So, if you don't like who a "SPECIAL INTEREST" group is endorsing I suggest you follow your own advice and GET OVER IT!

    As I am writing this, I look out my window and see the flag flying.....yes.....it still has red and white stripes and a field of blue with white stars. This is still America. Everyone in this country still has a voice! And if you don't like that then I suggest you follow your other form of advice and move to a flea bitten 3rd world country!

    As a brotherhood of UNION Firefighters we have a saying:

    "Bargain Collevtively Or Beg Seperately"

    thank you,

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    Originally posted by fieldseng2
    Well, I AM A MEMBER OF THE IAFF!

    In fact I AM A LOCAL PRESIDENT!

    I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING INVOLVED WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT!

    Im not going sit here and tell war stories, but if there ever were problems in a community and its fire department just ask me. Before you do make sure you have a couple of hours.

    Since I was once a volunteer firefighter, I have respect for them.

    As of right now I'm not sure if I support John Kerry. I certainly like his stance on issues related to my livelyhood. You obviosly are to immature to the fact its not so ease to just "raise taxes". However, I personally feel I need to research his track record and the stories I'm reading about his actions after returning from the Vietnam War.

    But, tillerman25, I respect your right to speak freely, but I'm offended by your post here. If this was a "non-union" bashing thread, all of "us union boyz" would be beheaded.

    the IAFF ,redundantly said, represents the thousands of UNION Firefighters. this organization is not the only "special interest" group campaigning for a President. I would certainly wouldnt think that just because the IAFF is endorsing this guy he is going to win!

    I dont know if you are a volunteer or work for a FD that is not organized, but it is the perogative of this UNION or " SPECIAL INTERST GROUP'" as you call us to endorse/support WHOMEVER WE SEE FIT AT ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT JUST LIKE YOU DO!

    there are issues that crooked politicians at the local level have no authority or resources to handle so we must work at all levels of government.

    So, if you don't like who a "SPECIAL INTEREST" group is endorsing I suggest you follow your own advice and GET OVER IT!

    As I am writing this, I look out my window as see this flag flying.....yes.....it still has red and white stripes and a field of blue with white stars. this is still America. Everyone in this country still has a voice! And if you don't like that then I suggest you follow you other form of advice and move to a flea bitten 3rd world country!

    As a brotherhood of UNION Firefighters we have a saying:

    "Bargain Collevtively Or Beg Seperately"

    thank you,

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    I'm not a union firefighter either and I also will post here. Sometimes your mouths are your biggest problem. I do not believe that it is the responsibility of the federal gov't to provide local services. You need new equipment or better manning, sell it to the people of your jurisdiction. I have signed every petition our local "union" firefighters have ever had to get something on the ballot and have voted in favor of every public safety bond issue. If you have real as opposed to imagined homeland security issues then yes, the feds should pony up. I do not however, buy into the idea that Milkpail, IA with a twelve man union department needs a device to detect necular weapons. Also you should have yearly physicals, you don't pass you get a limited time to correct it or you are gone. No job should have a lifetime garuntee.

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    So what you are telling all of us is when your fire department submitted a proposal for the Fire Act you protested because you believe everything should be handled a the local level. Even better, vote your chief out of office because he graduated from the Nation Fire Acadamy because the NFA is funded by the Federal Government and not from the fire school in your jurisdiction.

    My fater-in-law is a chief for a rual fire department covering an area of several hndred square miles, and a population of about 600. Up until last year their 'newest' rig was a 1950 IH that started only when it felt like it. There was no way for them to raise the funds for a new rig. Thanks to the Fire Act they were able to purchase a brand new pumper.

    I work on a FD with 60 members with a residential population of 30,000 and a daytime pop. of well over 100,000. The way may state works is municipalities are allowed no more than a 5% increase in tax levies/year. And believe me, we never see that much. In fact because of a tax reassessment controversy my city has not had a budget in 2 years, they have had to borrow money to pay the bills. There are imporvements in my dept. we would NEVER would have seen if it weren't for fedral and state grants and other funding.

    I know there is plenty of fnding for ALL tpes of departments out there. It has been proven WE (firefighters paid/volunteer whatever)ARE THE 1ST RESPONDERS TO TERRORISM ON THE HOME FRONT! Both foriegn (Sept. 11) and domestic (Oklahoma City). The big metro areas are not the only places that are targets for these things. I will say all of us must be reasonable with our priorities.

    I don't know if it's immaturity, being uneducated, jealousy, or just being a pain in the back side what you vollies or 'non-union' gentleman are trying to prove, but it is our right as Americans to peacfully assemble and lobby to any level of government. We do not do it for ourselves. We do it for the people we have sworn to protect.

    You don't have to like who the IAFF is endorsing. I myself am not sold on him yet, but don't sit there call us a bunch of "Big Mouth Special Interest Group" looking to take over the country.

    Why don't you check who YOUR "Special Interest Group" is lobbying for. Bring thier name here so "WE" can have a crack at them.

    OR..........

    We can stop this stupid bickering and remember we all belong to the same "Brotherhood"! Whether we get paid or not. Whether we are organized or not. WE have the same job. When the bell goes off we work hand in hand to get the job done!

    WE ARE A BROTHRHOOD OF FIREFIGHTERS!

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    I notice you didn't have any trouble over looking my support of my LOCAL UNION fire department. As to grants, I am happy your father-in law was successful. Now, do me a favor, look through the grant list and count all of the departments that got grants that do not NEED them. There has been hundreds of millions of dollars wasted going to departments that can pay their own way.

    Local fire protection is a local responsibility. The fact that your local politicans can not or will not make hard decisions based on what's best for the community rather than what will buy the most votes is all to common.

    My father was a career firefighter who attained the rank of chief of the fire department in a city of some 90,000 people with seven stations. Don't make to many assumptions.

    My LOCAL UNION fire department rides with four on a piece, no acting men, an officer is called back if needed. They have decent equipment that is replaced at a decent interval. I support all of that and I expect to pay for it, not you, your father-in law or anybody else that does not live in the community.

    As to grants for my Local Union fire department. They got one and I do not believe that they should have. We are capable of paying for an exaust extraction system ourselves, you should not have to pay for it.

    The terrorist risk is not equal, please don't try that ploy. I already told you that those that have to deal with realistic threats are entitled to having the feds pony up with some dollars.

    I have been both paid and vol. in public safety. This hasn't been volly rant, it has been a citizen rant from some one that is tired of seeing my money wasted and paying other peoples bills, especialy when they can afford to pay thier own.

    One question, do you live in the city?

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    YES....... I live in the City that I work.It takes me 3 minutes to drive to my engine house!

    I did not over look your support for your fire department. You didnt make it very clear it was a UNION FD. But union or not, you should support them.

    We have been labled "Home of the 2 Man Engine"...Because of this we will celebrate our own Firefighters Memorial Day April 13th which happens to be the anniversary of the LODD of a brother and my friend. City Hall and our community DO NOT SUPPORT additional FFS on rig.

    "We have a certain way of doing things here...just because someone else does it one way doesn't mean we are" or "We are not Chicago...we don't need all of those guys on an engine" or "As long as the big red truck shows up with 1 guy...it will be OK!"

    This is all Ive heard from the politicians and people in our community for the past 10 years. They think we are just a bunch of spoiled cry babies. And YES we are very involved with the community. Most of my Locals income goes right back into the community from smoke detector programs, "After the Fire" program, sponsoring local youth sports, charities, you name it we are there.

    We DO NOT even have a labor agreement with the City, because they are not obligated to do so. So instead, they unaminously passed a Resolution to NOT recognize NFPA 1710. We are truly the bastard children of this community no matter how much good we do.

    So without these state and federal programs, we would still be using buckets!

    I support my brother/sister firefighters coast to coast. Paid or not. Organized or not. If we can get better equipment, better living conditions in the firehouse, education, or more personnel (even for a short duration) from anywhere I am all for it.

    Unless you know all the particulars don't be to quick to judge what another FD needs or doesnt need. Every community has its own hazards and needs. Although I will agree there probably are FDs that received funding that was'nt in such dire needs as others. Our Fire Prevention Director is on the approval committee for the Fire Act. Guess what? We didn't win a grant, and he wrote the proposal. He stated there are no favorites and they do thier best to be fair based on the needs of the communties. Some FDs have better salesmen than others I suppose.

    My terrorism statement is not a 'ploy'. Do I think Osama has my town on his target list? NO! Are we close enough to a City that might be a target that there may be a concern? Well I can get in my car at home and be in Chicago in 10 or 15 minutes so you tell me. But, I do believe ALL 1st responders need to be better eduacated on this subject. But not without sacrificing the basics of our job.

    I agree with you about monet being wasted. I dont think we are wasting money when we spend it on our 1st responders. Whether Im biased saying that or not, thats the way I feel.

    I don't take issue with anyone disagreeing what the IAFF is doing.

    But, when people start slinging mud be ready for some back splash!

    Sounds like you have a proud family tradition oldtimer! I'd be proud if anyone of my children followed me in my footsteps!

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    Glad to hear you live in the city.

    I don't want to see any of the brothers get hurt because of undermaning, but it is the city's responsililty not mine. You talk about putting money right back into the community, can you not get community support to get these CLOWNS out of office. I was born and raised in the "Rust Belt", Ashtabula, County, OH. I know you have problems and hope you can find local solutions for some of them.

    Our big problem here is the PC promotion of EMS people lacking in fire experience to BC. But, as I like to say that is a local issue.

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    We are involved in politics. We have our own PAC. We even got one of our own elected on the City Council, but he turned our back on us when he got there!

    My question is to you is what do we do to solve our problem...WHEN NO ONE IS ON OUR SIDE! The politicians and the community TELL US WHAT WE NEED AND DO NOT NEED! They will not hear us.

    I guess our opions differ too much top change each other minds. But, I respect your opinion no matter how crazy I think you are!

    I gotta run..Ill be on the road for the next 5 hours..

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    I think our opinion differs on what resources should be used more than anything. If you had a city of people like me you would have 5 on the wagon and 6 on the truck and I'd be willing to pay for it. There would, however, be some unhappy people in other areas of the city govt.

    Stay safe, I do admire the job you twofers do.

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    If you are against the Fire act and other federally supported programs for the fire service, then you must be against Homeland Defense. The responsibility belongs to us all as a nation. So, yes federal funding should be used for our training and equipment. If your department is in a rich finacial area then good for you. The city I protect is in an economically depressed area. Thanks in part to Bush. That doesn't mean they don't deserve protection. But I am used to seeing the rich expect the poor to make its own way. Do you think the people here choose to have less????
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    I already said that if a department has legitimate needs for HD that the fed govt. should pay. My point, and I guess we'll just have to disagree, agreeably, is that local fire protection is not a federal function. We, Balto. Co. Maryland are not wealthy, but we have been fortunate to have politicans, both R & D who have had thier heads screwed on straight. As for the loss of industry in the valley there is plenty of blame for everyone.

    Be safe and be thankful we live in a country where we can disagree without one of us getting shot.

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    Yeah that dern Bush, he's probably plotting on how he can close all sorts of elementary schools now. What a mean evil genious.

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    Since I was once a volunteer firefighter, I have respect for them.
    This has nothing to do with Volunteer Firefighters or me being one. This has to do with me not wanting John Kerry in the White House. And for some of my fellow Americans who belong to Labor Unions not to be blindsided into voting for somoeone who will ultimately destroy our way of life. I do not want my way of life compromised on the guise of Labor Union Issues. Your 8 or 24 hours at work are not my concern. My concern is the time I am at home with my family. Is my daughter safe in school? What is going to stop my daughters school from being blown up? Not the IAFF! What is going to stop my daughters school from being blown up is a STRONG MILITARY DEFENSE OF THIS NATION, NOT THE IAFF!

    The IAFF does not man the Border
    The IAFF does not run Customs
    The IAFF does not run the CIA
    The IAFF does not run the FBI
    The IAFF does not run the Military.

    These are the key elements of a strong Homeland Defense. The IAFF and the Local Volunteers together will be there in the aftermath in the event of an attack to prevent further damage and to help the injured and remove the hazards (in some cases.) Until I see IAFF member screening bags at Airports, I will continue to tell you people what huge, Blind Sheep you are following John F--king Kerry to the White House! I believe there actually was a discussion a while back about the actual Role Firefighters and EMS providers have in Homeland Defense.

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    Wheeling was economically depressed LOOONG before George Bush came into being. The Entire are has been Economically depressed for years! From Pittsburgh to Morgantown, to Youngstown all the way down to Kingsport Tennessee and Middleborough Kentucky! It's been that way for year, so Blame someone else please.

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    Until I see IAFF member screening bags at Airports, I will continue to tell you people what huge, Blind Sheep you are following John F--king Kerry to the White House!
    What kills me is that your attitude is unless you agree with me, your an idiot and a "blind sheep" or whatever. Chris, what makes this Country work is difference of opinions. You want to debate the facts, ok lets do it. Leave the names to the kids.....

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    There are alot of great ideas and thoughts going on here. We all need to realize what is important to us, and our families. My opinion is this though ..... are we on the frontline of the war on terror ? I hope not, because if we are where is my weapon so I can actually stop one of these maniacs should we come accross one in the line of duty. I will say this though, we are on the frontline for Homeland Security. We will be the one's picking up the piece's and we will be expected to be the picture of reason during a time of chaos. I feel safer with a President who address's our national defense first. I feel safer with a President who seeks out those who would destroy us and our way of life. Fact of the matter, if we arn't strong on hitting these turd balls first, there will be no debate on union issues. It will be pointless. Look at what happened to our economy following Sept. 11, 2001. Imagine if that had happened to 3 or 4 other cities at the same time. Money is just money, money is made and its lost. Life is what needs to be looked at first, there is only one of those for each of us. As far as a lack of funding for departments, all I can speak for is my job. We recieved absolutely no grants from the fire act. Since the inception of homeland security, we have recieved almost $500,000 in grants for structural collapse and hazardous materials. We now have tools and equipment and training we never would have had before. I'm not saying which President started each of thses grant programs on purpose.

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    I DO KNOW what key elements to Homeland Defense are. But, if you think firefighters, EMS workers, and police officers are not part of the equation you are sadly mistaken my friend. You said we will be in there in the 'aftermath'. The way I understand it, our brothers in the FDNY were RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT when the second plane hit, not when the "all clear" was given by some General in some mountain. IF we are every attacked on that level again, our emergency responders will be casualties of war, AGAIN!

    I doesn't matter to me if you like Kerry or not. Thats your God given right as an American. Im not sure I do either, and I am a member of the IAFF. You are giving the impression the IAFF is the only factor who will decide who will be president.

    So you don't care what hours I work. I could care less about yours. But, let me tell you this... EVERYTHING I DO I DO FOR MY FAMILY!

    I think Bush was right to take out Saddam. But, he sold the idea wrong to the public. He did say he will seek out and punish all who aid, house, and breed terrorist. I stand behind him 100% on this.

    Other than that, he has turned his back on me and my family. And I really don't know if Kerry is better or worse.

    We have had Republican and Democratic Presidents in office since Ive been old enough to vote. NONE of them have been able to keep their promises.

    I do not take offense or even care your opinion differs than mine.

    I DO take offense that you are slinging mud and bashing the IAFF and Union Firefighters just because you are in disagreement. We can debate what is what without personally attack me, my family, and my livilyhood. Don't try to say you are not, because you are.

    tillerman, your profile says you work for the federal government. I wonder what branch and what level.
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    its true that local fire protection is a local issue. you could argue that so are "local" schools, "local" infrastructure, "local" healthcare and a host of other things. the federal government subsidizes all of these, because "local" people pay FEDERAL taxes. that's how a federation works. i'm not trying to be snide. i'm just trying to remind everyone that local problems, taken as a hole, are national problems. to address these, the INTERNATIONAL set up a system of union LOCALs (see the theme). people seem to forget the enormous power of a local union in local politics, especially politicals related to firefighter's issues. even scab shops benefit from the fact that in order to compete with union shops for recruitment and retention, they have to compete with union-earned, union-fought-for, and union-deserved benefits, pay, and schedules. non-union shops ride on the backs of union shops for all those hard-earned perks that make the job amoung the best blue-collar jobs a man or woman can get. don't forget that.
    p.s. - should every job be garaunteed. that's really debatable. certainly everyone should have a right to work, and i don't mean that in the "right-to-work state" sense, i mean the primary purpose of government, any government, is to ensure to RIGHT of its people to live the best life, the most open liberty, and the greatest pursuit of the greatest happiness possible. to my mind, garaunteeing its citizens well-compensated, safe, and secure work is the best way to do that within the rubrick of a capitalist socio-economic system. that's what unions are for, because the other side just doesn't care.

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    I am an IAFF member. I am also a volunteer firefighter. I support most causes the Union supports. I pay dues to them. I totally support our Locals issues.
    However, I do NOT support the Unions stance on Kerry. From what I've learned about Kerry, he is not the one I want leading our Country. I WILL NOT vote for Kerry in November.
    I support the FIRE ACT and the assistance the Federal Government doles out to the Nations Fire Departments.
    Is it ok in your view and opinion for the Feds to support the local Law Enforecement? How many Law Enforcement agencies does the governement have? How many fire related agencies does the government have? NONE!
    The volunteer department I am a member of would not have made the technology advances and we would not be as safe as we are today because of the FIRE ACT grant. That grant has brought that department ahead 20 years!
    The career department I work for has not, to my knowledge, applied for assistance from the FIRE ACT. We need some additional funding to bring us up to date. The new staffing assistance program (I think it's being called SAFER) will be a blessing if we are able (or even apply) to get help for better staffing.


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    Ditto and Amen Chingon

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    Well said mark

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    It never ceases to amaze me, as an interested outside observer how serious you Americans take your politics. It must be nice to have that level of interest, of whatever stripe. Here, to my way of thinking it makes little or no difference who occupies the office, we will still get the short end of the stick.
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