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    My Fire District has recently proposed a zero-tolerance policy regarding alcohol, similar to the IAFC recommendations. My question is, the First Assistant Chief of my department thinks that its too excessive and ridiculous and a joke. We do currently have a policy on alcohol, but not like this zero-tolerance policy. How does everyone else feel about a zero-tolerance policy??

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    ok................so if its not zero tolerance already ..........what is your policy ?

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    Didn't you mis-state your question? Shouldn't it be........

    What if George Bush was sitting on a lime green couch, drinking beer from a smooth-bore nozzle with a blue light on his head and John Kerry came up to him and asked him which would be more effective on a million acre brush fire, a red Pierce filled with Class A foam or a yellow E-One equipped with a 1,000 GPM fog nozzle on its deck gun???
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    Zero tolerance meaning what, exactly? A member cannot respond to calls/be on duty with any alcohol in his/her system? Otherwise said that fire-related crashes or accidents will not be linked to consumption of any amount?
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    Zero - Tolerance

    This topic has been debated to death with the overwhelming majority
    on the side of zero tolerance
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    Stayback, I gotta go go change my shorts, that was just too hilarious

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    One possible angle that has been overlooked is the definition of zero tolerance.

    If zero tolerance is defined too narrowly, you could get fired for taking two teaspoons of robitussin. When we say zero tolerance, I don't think that's what we mean, but remember the kid who got expelled from school because he had a table knife in his lunchbox?
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    ullrichk...I never thought of that ..........
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    Stayback...you're killin' me man!

    I would write the policy to say zero tolerance on the consumption of alcoholic beverages. This rules out the problems with the cough medicines, so long as they are taken within the directed dosage.

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    One establishment I work for is 8 hours - Bottle to Throttle.
    The other is not clearly defined as to a time but you can be tested if an officer suspects that there is alcohol on board.

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    Stayback....

    Inquiring minds want to know..

    If the President states "I did not swallow" Does that mean he wasn't drinking??????
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    SOP's will have to address Jello shots, since that's not exactly "drinking." Similarly, I wonder how Beersicles would be.
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    My questions is, the policy says if someone has an alcoholic beverage, they cant respond to alarms within 8 hours of the time they consume the alcoholic beverage. Is this too excessive???

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    Originally posted by Danny221
    My questions is, the policy says if someone has an alcoholic beverage, they cant respond to alarms within 8 hours of the time they consume the alcoholic beverage. Is this too excessive???
    Why???? Are you wanting someone to die because of a technicality that could put him in a truck sooner than he is able? Come on... think McFly, think.
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    Anyone with a brain knows what zero-tolerance means. If you want to respond, don't drink. If you want to drink, don't respond. Quit making something so simple so complicated.
    the First Assistant Chief of my department thinks that its too excessive and ridiculous and a joke.
    Have the cops give him a sobriety test in full view of the public after they wreck on the way to an incident and see how ridiculous it is then.
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    Default uhmmmmmmmmmm NO!!!!!!!!!!

    QUOTE]My questions is, the policy says if someone has an alcoholic beverage, they cant respond to alarms within 8 hours of the time they consume the alcoholic beverage. Is this too excessive???[/QUOTE]
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    Exclamation Re: Zero-Tolerance

    Originally posted by Danny221
    My Fire District has recently proposed a zero-tolerance policy regarding alcohol, similar to the IAFC recommendations. My question is, the First Assistant Chief of my department thinks that its too excessive and ridiculous and a joke. We do currently have a policy on alcohol, but not like this zero-tolerance policy. How does everyone else feel about a zero-tolerance policy??


    STUPID IS - STUPID DOES.



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    Booze + Firefighter + Fire Trucks + Emergencies = DEATH!

    No alcohol period!
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