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    Question help the rookie

    I am looking for information on how to operate an engine.
    so far I can't find any thing on the net to help me .
    do any of you know where there is a site or something I can go to so I can learn operation .
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    "Teach me how to operate a fire engine" seems like a very broad request. If you're the rookie, I would suggest asking one of the more experienced engineers on your department to spend some time with you. I'm sure someone here is willing to explain some of the principles of pump operation... but actual ops vary from department to department. You'd be better off learning how your department does things while learning how to run the engine.

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    try a local college that has fire tech programs, or regional/state fire schools alot of them have pump ops. and if you like books then check out IFSTA or try Delmar Publishing, Intro to Pump Operations when i took my Fire Apparatus class in college we used this book. i had 54 hours of pump operations, and friction loss calculations. is you want some practice problems i could send you a copy of these work sheets.

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    Default Hmm...

    I am just curious if youre a rookie, are you required
    to already operate and engine or just looking for
    knowledge.

    Here is a great website for almost any fire service
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    www.firebooks.com

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    i am more or less just looking for knolage

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    Default Re: help the rookie

    I am looking for information on how to operate an engine.so far I can't find any thing on the net to help me .do any of you know where there is a site or something I can go to so I can learn operation .
    DarkCAt are you some sort of terrorist? Why can't you ask your senior members? There are many different engines out there. Can you be more specific.
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    DarkCAt are you some sort of terrorist?
    Some may look at this comment as a wise *** question. It isn't!

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    Originally posted by E40FDNYL35 and E229Lt


    DarkCAt are you some sort of terrorist? Why can't you ask your senior members? There are many different engines out there. Can you be more specific.

    Some may look at this comment as a wise *** question. It isn't!
    I tend to agree with my Brothers from the FDNY.

    Points to ponder..

    1. One does not just look up info on the internet to learn how to operate a fire engine.

    2. Any "rookie" should know that learning how to operate an engine takes a back seat to learning the essentials of firefighting... you have to learn how to crawl before running the career marathon. Pump operations is part of recruit training, but all in due time....

    3. A profile totally devoid of information...yeah, I too have my suspicions....
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    Default HMMMMM

    I agree with those that are suspicious.

    Nobody that is in the fire service should have to get info on this or any other firefighting related subject on a web site.

    Dude, talk to your fellow brothers at YOUR fire house to get your questions answered. Even if they won't teach you (which they should if your legit)they should at least tell you what IFSTA manual you can find it in.

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    fellas, this is kinda weird .........I know when I first got on I learned myself after asking a couple of questions, enough to at least get water started...........also as others have said YOUR ops probably are different than other depts........terrorists ......could be rabbit.
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    Some may look at this comment as a wise *** question.
    Not on these forums!

    Seriously, though; operating a fire engine properly requires a lot of hands-on training, as well as classroom time. If you think you are going to learn enough from books or the internet to show somebody up on the drill field or on a scene, you're probably just going to embarrass yourself.

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    Originally posted by DarkCAt
    i am more or less just looking for knolage

    You probably haven't on the job long enough to have the need to know!

    Learn all the basics first and then after you have that down pat, then you start to learn about operating a piece of apparatus!!!

    I tend to agree with my other brothers about this. I think I smell a pot of over cooked cabbage.


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    Learn the tools of trade, then work your way from the nozzle back to the truck. This should take sometime, even for the quick learner. Don't rush into things. Every noob wants to drive the truck, well theres more to it then driving and pulling handles.

    When you reach the stage in which you department feels its time for you to start learning about pump ops, take your time and learn all there is. Listen to the vets and read your books. There's alot the book dosent show, that you can learn from a brother thats been around for awhile.

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    ok hear you go i am a volintear firefighter i ahve ben on a department for 8 months and am now going through level 1 traning

    i am looking for more of the theory behind how every thing comes together like friction lose what my optimal galanage at nozzle thingsa like that.
    I know I havenít been in the game long enough to be operating a pump but being on a volunteer department where a meeting consists of sitting around a table and talking about every thing but firefighting.
    I look at theories of firefighting operations so that when I do get hands on experience I am not completely in the dark.

    as a farther note I will be updating my profile
    and looking back at my question i do admit it is probluy odd to see it worded as it is

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    ok hear you go i am a volintear firefighter i ahve ben on a department for 8 months and am now going through level 1 traning

    i am looking for more of the theory behind how every thing comes together like friction lose what my optimal galanage at nozzle thingsa like that.
    I know I havenít been in the game long enough to be operating a pump but being on a volunteer department where a meeting consists of sitting around a table and talking about every thing but firefighting.
    I look at theories of firefighting operations so that when I do get hands on experience I am not completely in the dark.

    as a farther note I will be updating my profile
    and looking back at my question i do admit it is probluy odd to see it worded as it is
    Iím not one to correct spelling and grammar, but your posts show poor use of both. Along with your inquiry these items raise the red flags.
    I found it interesting how you mangled the word [volintear] only to write it correctly later on. Are we getting jerked around here?
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    Thats what happens when you let microsoft do your spelling!

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    Something weird going on here??

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    all i ask is a simple question and you all want to cut my throught

    hope you dont treet all people like this

    i gues you half to be on a paied department to be a jurk


    note i am not saying that all of you are jurks. some of you have ben vary helpfull

    and i am no longer in need of help i found a tape for oure pump back in a box at the station it is a waterous pump


    thanks to those who helped

    and this is to those who were jurks _ _!_ _

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    No ones trying to be a jerk here, but to come on a public forum and ask how to operate a firetruck? I dunno if you have been watching the news lately but that is considered suspicious behavior. You dont say where or what department your from, I'm sure if you asked the question better and provided more information than someone would of provided you with good information as they due to alot of people on these forums who ask good questions.
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    now the profile for this person says they are a
    COLAGE student And I thought my spelling was bad?
    Somebodys jerkin us around (I hope)

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    Well #1 a quick Scroll through of the OSFM office directory of departments and I could not find a Russell's Point FD or FD in Russells Point. Also if you were a rookie you should at least use and know the proper terminology for Ohio Firefighter Certs. Especially with 8months on. And I sure as hope your department isn't doing any fire training with you since it would violate Ohio Revised Code.
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    I posted the first reply in this thread and have just returned. I'm not surprised that folks were hard on this guy because that's what we do... It's as though this is our own personal firehouse and we can't wait to chastise the new people. But, I'll agree that DarkCat's question was a little odd and very vague and he probably deserved some resistance because of that.

    However, I think that suggesting that a curious poster is a terrorist might be a little over the top. I know fire departments just like the one DarkCat says he's a member of... and they're no place for new firefighters. New guys come on and want to learn everything... and firefighting is the last thing any one else wants to do or talk about.

    The way I figure it, he wanted to pick up a little more knowledge than he was getting in his department. And, as long as it doesn't interfere with his basic FF training, there is nothing wrong with that! When I began, I was also very curious about what happened as the water went from the plug to the truck to the hose. I had some senior guys that would teach me anything I wanted to know. It sounds like DarkCat doesn't have that luxury.

    Now that I've defended him, here's a message for DarkCat: Welcome to the fire service. People are going to give your grief. Now, they need no other reason than the fact that you are new. Later, they'll need no other reason than the fact that you used to be new. That's just the way things are. Learn to let things roll off your back.

    If you take offense at the things people say, you'll shoot your mouth off and then you'll end up looking silly. You said, "I gues you half to be on a paied department to be a jurk." That's a fine example of you looking silly. I've defended you. Guess what I do for a living? Yep, I'm a career firefighter. Learn to like or dislike individuals... not entire groups that they may be a member of.

    Finally, you've gotta learn to spell. When you go in for a job interview, it's a verbal thing... so you do your best to speak properly. Well, this is a written thing... so do you best to spell properly. You'll gain more respect from doing so.

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    Outstanding point made ff7134 Engine 58 and firemanpat29, as well as every one else.

    For some one in collage, he could spell to well. :-)


    I still think we were being jerked around here.

    Things he said really didn't make a lot of sense.
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    Smile Here's the simple answer

    1. Put pump in gear.

    2. Open water supply (tank, hydrant or draft)

    3. Prime pump if necessary.

    4. Open discharge.

    5. Adjust pressure.

    Sound real simple but takes a lot of training both book and hands on to get good at it.

    I would first learn about fire and then how an SCBA works before ever thinking about running a pump.

    Oh yes, usually the pump operator is the driver and this is a whole lot of other training.

    Need to crawl before walking and walk before running.

    I forgot, no running on the fire ground.

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