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    By MICHAEL GORMLEY
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    ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Ken Ashley looks out from his country home
    in the wide open spaces of northern New York and wonders if a small
    band of environmentalists is just crazy.
    "It's all foolishness," he said. He scoffs at New York's
    latest and most powerful push to join a growing number of states
    that ban the burning of household and farm trash in backyard "burn
    barrels."
    Long before dumps became landfills, the rusted, waist-high drums
    have been used to burn household and barnyard trash in Technicolor
    flames that ban supporters say spew toxic plumes. In Ashley's St.
    Lawrence County, near the St. Lawrence River, nearly half of 9,926
    rural households burned garbage, according to a 1993 county survey.
    This year, burn barrels were banned in California and New
    Mexico, increasing to eight the number of states that prohibit the
    practice. While New York remains within the majority, its position
    is rare in the northeast where Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire,
    Vermont, Massachusetts and New Jersey have canned burn barrels.
    Ashley questions the need for a such a measure on country folk.
    "If they think Ogdensburg has air pollution, they should try
    living in L.A., like I did for 20 years," said the 59-year-old
    accountant. "I think it's just a small group of people who have
    their own agenda."
    In an Assembly hearing last week, state health and environmental
    officials, physicians and environmentalists said burning garbage in
    the relatively low temperatures of burn barrels spews toxins into
    the air. Half of all dioxins in the environment are now created in
    burn barrels, where 10 pounds of garbage can produce as much
    pollution as 400,000 pounds burned in a municipal incinerator,
    officials testified.
    Physicians told the Assembly hearing that byproducts of the
    burns include dioxin, a possible cancer-causing agent. Supporters
    also link the burns to wild fires, lower IQs in children and to
    making boys physically more feminine and girls more masculine.
    "The Environmental Protection Agency has a Web site devoted to
    it, that's how important it has become," said Denise Griffin of
    the National Conference of State Legislatures.
    Even limited exposure can be dangerous when breathed or ingested
    in food, according to the EPA. Children and the elderly are most
    vulnerable.
    "Whenever garbage is burned, be it junk mail, food containers
    or gift-wrapping paper, toxic compounds and particulate matter are
    dispersed," said California Air Resources Board Chairman Dr. Alan
    Lloyd.
    The New York Farm Bureau is the loudest opponent of a state ban,
    saying inadequate disposal options make it too expensive for
    farmers to get rid of waste. A bureau lobbyist didn't return a call
    requesting comment.
    "In addition to low commodity prices, burdensome taxes and
    disastrous weather-related crop losses, farmers are increasingly
    facing pressures and criticisms involving normal farming practices,
    including agricultural waste disposal," the bureau said in a memo
    to lawmakers.
    Despite opposition by the California Farm Bureau Federation, the
    law has been enforced there since Jan. 1 with little protest.
    Locally set fines can be $300 and climb with repeat offenses.
    "We've gotten very few calls," said Gennet Paauwe, spokeswoman
    for the California Air Resources Board. "There are some citizens
    out there who are very against this, and there are citizens out
    there who are so pleased to have clean air to breathe at their
    homes without smoke, and especially from garbage."
    The New York Senate, controlled by Republicans representing
    largely rural districts, prefers to leave state law as it has been
    for 30 years: A ban in communities with more than 20,000 people.
    Smaller towns can enact local bans.
    Senate majority spokesman Mark Hansen didn't respond to the
    question of why a statewide ban was appropriate only for larger
    communities.
    Tim Erson, a physical therapist and volunteer firefighter in the
    Catskills hamlet of Narrowsburg, worries about his 3- and
    5-year-old children who play within 250 yards of 12 garbage
    burners.
    "The sickly toxic smells from open burning is something we've
    been subjected to repeatedly," he said. "I question their right
    to poison my family."
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    New York Farm Bureau: http://www.nyfb.org

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    This year, burn barrels were banned in California and New Mexico, increasing to eight the number of states that prohibit the practice.
    I don't know where they got their info, but burning household garbage is illegal in Alabama too. It is a routinely ignored law that provides us with many ground cover fires and the rare structure fire.

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    Over spring break I drove from KC, to Ft Walton FLA. My route took me
    to tenn, and south through alabama on I65, 31, and 41. Most of the people didnt obey the burn ban. There were about 15 billowing towers of black smoke along the route. Some of them putting out as much smoke as a ripin house fire does. I then saw the wildfires near destin fl and mobile ala.

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    Why do the idiots keep trying to save us from ourselves? If everyone who could, would dispose of their own trash, the landfills wouldn't fill up so fast. In our area, you can't burn leaves anymore. But my taxes go to pay county employees to run around with vac trucks cleaning up leaves each fall and winter. Then they dump them in huge piles at (where else?) the damn landfill. Stupid.
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    Back in the days before cheap paper shreaders my dad always kept a burn barrel on the farm. He would burn stuff that he didn't want to throw in the county green boxes but I don't remember it being that bad unless he threw plastic in (not that often) but I could see that with todays plastic content in household trash that it could be a mess burning everything that comes out of a household trash can.

    hwoods why doesn't your landfill start a compost heap? If they are so set against burning, putting it in the landfill is a waste of space and a waste of resources. It's a shame that all the leaves, grass clippings, and other compostable material ends up in landfills. It could be made into the best potting soil/top soil on earth given time and just a little care by county workers. Probably most greenies will disagree with me but I think some class A smoke in the air is natural. Burn those leaves and leave us alone, but do it with common sense.
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    but do it with common sense.
    and that is the problem, most people don't use common sense. While I was in college in PA, we went to a brush fire 2 or 3 times a week that was caused by people "using common sense" and burning leaves. Sometimes, people really are too stupid to allow them to do things themselves.
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    Bones they keep us in business regretably.

    In our area we have very few leaf fires that get out of hand. We have more problems with brush pile burners and field clearers burning broom straw. Most of the time the leaf burners will watch their fires far longer than the other 2 groups.

    We had some weekenders come in on Friday night and set a brush/stump pile on fire that night. They left on Saturday and on Sunday the wind got up and set the house on fire. I think a hunter noticed it when he was looking for lost dogs. Only got one side of the house and a little under it but they were lucky.

    One family was burning a corn field off on Thanksgiving one year and burned most all of the farm buildings down near the house. They tried to fight it with water hoses because they didn't want to call us at first I think.

    Cannot think of any burn barrel related fires but I'm sure we have had some.
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    The whole burning barrel issue is a huge thing in NNY. The driving issue is not so much a fire problem but a higher than average cancer rate among the people of the area. The burning of plasics and such and the fact that most of these containers smolder rather than "hot burn" completely makes for a pretty smelly experience if your house happens to be downwind from the offender.

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