Thread: Tanker Narrative Assistance
03-17-2004, 05:19 PM #1
- Join Date
- Mar 2001
- Smack dab in the middle of Central Illinois
Tanker Narrative Assistance
My department will be applying for a grant to replace a 40 year old rust bucket of a tanker. I am wanting to know if anyone has had any luck in previous years in replacing a tanker that would be willing to assist me.
I would be willing to trade narratives with someone to assist them (successfull in 2002 to replace extrication tools, training materials, and portable radios...and in 2003 to replace SCBA, acquire a compressor, replace base station radios and mobile radios, and acquire more training materials).
Also, I know that a multi-use/multi-role vehicle is preferred over a single standard use. Could anyone provide some ideas/tips/hints/ideas to what we could do to make it more appealing to the review board/grant staff?
If anyone would be willing to assist, I would appreciate it.
So Wheatland FD
Last edited by SWFD94; 03-17-2004 at 06:12 PM.
03-18-2004, 10:38 AM #2
- Join Date
- Nov 2003
This One Worked for Us
We got awarded $180,000 for a Tanker/Pumper in 2003 (it was our third try). What we are getting is a 2-door commercial cab, 3000 gal tanker with a 2000 gpm pump. This was the narrative we used:
The Laury’s Station Volunteer Fire Co. No. 1 serves a population of ~3,000 people in a primary response area of ~5 square miles. This rural area has ~10% of its area protected by hydrants. A primary concern in the case of dwelling, structure, or extended brush or vegetation fires is supply of water to the scene. In addition, there are few direct path roads from our neighboring fire companies into most of our primary response area which slows the response time of Mutual Aid units to the scene of an incident. Lack of hydrant protection requires out reliance on static water sources, such as farm ponds. In the last year one of our primary sources, from an access and reliability standpoint, was eliminated when the owner decided to drain and regrade the pond on his property.
We are requesting funds for the purchase of a Tanker. Our company does not own a Tanker and has historically relied on Mutual Aid companies to provide Tanker support in the case of dwelling, structure, or extended brush fire responses. The average response time for a Mutual Aid Tanker to calls within our primary response area is ~20 minutes. The purchase of this Tanker would provide significant benefit to the residents of our primary response area through reduced response time and access to greater resources as well as allowing us to provide additional Mutual Aid support to those areas surrounding us. The use of Tankers in support of firefighting activities is particularly critical since most of our rural area is not within range of existing fire hydrants.
The cost of the proposed Tanker is expected to be ~$350,000. A general description of the apparatus is provided below. We are requesting an Assistance to Firefighters Grant in the amount of $150,000 (~43% of the total cost). Our company will provide $100,000 (~29% of the total cost) and the balance of the funds, $100,000, will be obtained from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania in the form of a low interest loan. The proposed company contribution of $100,000 is essentially equivalent to more than twice our annual income and has taken us ~10 years to accumulate these funds to apply to this purchase. Our company has managed, through prudent use of available funds, to provide for our needs in the areas of firefighter personal protection equipment and firefighting tools through a combination of Firemen’s Relief (a state administered fund based on surcharges on Home Owner’s Insurance premiums) and our general funds. In addition, we have worked to save ~$5,000-15,000 per year toward the purchase of a new vehicle; however, the high cost of firefighting vehicles makes prohibitive the replacement of vehicles on even a 30 year cycle without the assistance of additional funding sources such as the FIRE Grant program.
The proposed Tanker will be based on a commercial cab and chassis and will have a 3,000 gallon water tank capacity and a 2,000 gpm pump allowing the unit to serve as an on-scene supply or act in tanker fill, tanker shuttle, or relay pumper roles. The proposed unit will be able to thus fill any role in the area of water supply. In addition, this unit will be capable of serving as a second line pumper for periods where our first line pumper is out of service. It will meet all pertinent NFPA guidelines. Our company would retire/sell our 1971 pumper which is not compliant with current guidelines.
03-19-2004, 02:55 PM #3
- Join Date
- Aug 2003
- middle of the Arizona desert
here is another that worked in 2003
While our request was much more modest than the one above (mostly because of concerns about matching funds) the tanker that we were able to buy is so far above anything else that we have available, or could have ever hoped for without grant funds, we are very happy.
We got $65,000 to buy a used tractor and have it converted into a 3,300 gallon tanker with a 800 GPM transfer pump.
Hope this helps.
Thank you for considering this request from the Grapevine Mesa Fire District for a 2003 FEMA FIRE Act Grant. This request is for funds for the purchase of a used 2-3000 gallon Tanker, a folding portable tank and assorted hardware so that the Tanker could also be used as an auxiliary Engine if appropriate.
The acquisition of this Tanker and equipment would allow the District, when used with other equipment, to maintain our ability to pump a minimum of 200 gallons per minute for 20 minutes as required to keep our ISO residential rating of “8” and to provide adequate water to a fire scene without continuing to depend upon a 1955 Kaiser tractor and trailer 5,000 gallon tanker which is absolutely unsafe to put on the road and that Arizona State Lands has loaned to the District.
This tanker that Arizona State Lands loaned to the District 7 years ago was, as best we can determine, originally a fuel tanker. The 48 year-old tractors’ wiring is brittle and rotting away, the brake system is in need of repair and the trailer tank has begun to spring leaks in welded seams that are rusting out which we attempt to patch with little success. It is only a matter of time until the seams give way entirely. Recently we had to weld metal “donuts” to the frame to refasten the trusses that hold the rear axel to the trailer, which had broken loose because of rust. Because of the age of this equipment, it is nearly impossible to find manuals or parts to complete repairs.
We have asked Arizona State Lands about the possibility of replacing this piece of equipment with one that is safe and were told that they very seldom get anything like this in surplus so there is little hope.
If our grant request is approved, we will return this unsafe vehicle to Arizona State Lands. Our intent would be to use both our small tanker and the replacement tanker to keep up with the water supply needs of the firefighters and ISO pumping capability requirements.
Because there are no fire hydrants within our response area, and refill locations are scarce (2/3 of the residential area is water-haul), the firefighters have learned the necessity and the challenge of shuttling water to a fire scene and drafting from a portable tank. We have a small 1955 GMC 1,500 gallon tanker and a 2,000 gallon portable tank that are utilized now but, because of the time required in most cases to get to a refill point, that small equipment cannot keep up. At a structure fire last month there was a period of 10 minutes when our firefighters were on scene with almost no water available to protect themselves or surrounding structures. We could not use the 5,000-gallon tanker because, like most roads in our area, the condition of the dirt road to the fire scene created fear for the safety of the driver and of additional damage to that vehicle.
The Grapevine Mesa Fire District is located in Meadview, Arizona, which is a remote, low income, primarily retirement community of about 2,200 persons in Northern Arizona. The majority of the residences in the community are mobile homes ranging in age from new to 35 years old. The closest mutual assist emergency services are 30 miles away, which means that we must be primarily self-sufficient. In addition to the immediate community, we are also the first responders to 320 square miles of BLM, State-owned and private properties. We also provide mutual assistance to the Lake Mead National Recreation Area and the two local Park Rangers. Our proximity to the Lake Mead National Recreation area and the west end of the Grand Canyon results in approximately 750,000 tourists annually passing through our response area in cars, vans, busses and helicopters with the accompanying risk of accidents, any one of which could spark a wildland fire that would threaten our community.
The District operates out of one station and our first piece of equipment (a 1958 Van Pelt) was won in a raffle. Subsequently, the Meadview Emergency Services Auxiliary supported the fire department by purchasing, over 10 years, 3 additional pieces of used fire equipment as well as two (2) used ambulances with monies raised through barbeques, walk-a-thons and weekly Bingo games. The Auxiliary continues these activities and supports the fire department by providing needed used turn-outs, wildfire gear, used SCBAs, medical equipment and major equipment repairs. The Fire District budget just covers the cost of one administrative assistant and our Asst. Fire Chief ($800/mo. each), the stipend paid to on-call EMTs, insurance, routine maintenance and overhead. Our Fire Chief and all firefighters are volunteers.
At this point we would provide a list of the fire equipment “owned” by the District:
Engine 1 – 1978 Chevrolet Brush w/400 gallon tank
Engine 2 – 1958 Van Pelt Pumper w/500 gallon tank (leaks)
Engine 3 – 1967 GMC Rescue w/1,000 gallon tank (first out)
Brush 1 – 1985 Dodge ¾ ton pickup w/200 gallon tank (on loan from Ariz. State)
Brush 2 – 1989 Chevrolet 1-ton truck w/200 gallon tank (on loan from Ariz. State)
Tanker 1 – 1955 GMC 4x6 w/1,500 gallon tank
Tanker 2 – 1955 Kaiser w/5,000 gallon tank (on loan from Ariz. State)
If funding for this request is granted, we will use some of the monies budgeted for fire equipment repair for $2,000 of the 10% matching funds and the Auxiliary will provide the balance.
Our community and District has looked at every aspect of our operation to determine the most critical need to protect the lives and property of the community and the well being of our firefighters. The ability to provide adequate water on scene without risking injury to one of our firefighters, or to the public, by putting an unsafe vehicle on the road is of paramount importance to us. We are very accustomed to working with used equipment and have squeezed every ounce of use from the vehicle that we are asking you to help us replace. It would be nice, someday, to have a new vehicle but, in the meanwhile, we would be thrilled just to have something safe and serviceable.
We appreciate the opportunity of making this request and the life and property saving necessities that the Fire Act provides to Districts like ours.
03-21-2004, 11:29 AM #4
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- Mar 2001
- Smack dab in the middle of Central Illinois
Folks, I had an Email crash and lost over 120 messages. If anyone emailed outside of the forum to send them a narrative, forward me your request so I can get something to you. I don't want anyone thinking I make empty promises...
03-28-2004, 05:57 PM #5
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- Nov 2003
We were sucessful for a tanker in 2003 after 2 failures. We need sbca & bunker gear this year. Please email email@example.com I typicaly delete spam from the server, please put something in the subject line I will recognize.
03-30-2004, 03:25 AM #6
I too would be interested in seeing a successful narrative on bunker gear...
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