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    He's been there for over 40 years and what has he accomplished?
    Feeding fish in Chappaquiddick.


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    What do you think about the presidental ads? seems to me they don't give the American people's intelligence much credit, or is it like my neighbor's view that "7 out of 10 people are stupid" .. SB (local 1355 retired)

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    SB I agree with your neighbor. The other 3 are conservatives
    Never Forget 9-11-01!!!!!!
    There wasn't just 343, the other 73 rescue workers deserve to be remembered too!!!!

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    A friend just sent me this e-mail. I think it wraps it all up.

    Subject: To be a Democrat...............

    1) You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

    2) You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

    3) . You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.

    4) . You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

    5) . You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.

    6) You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

    7) . You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.

    8) . You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

    9) . You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.

    10) .You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

    11) . You have to believe that the military, not corrupt politicians start wars.

    12) . You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

    13) . You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

    14) . You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Edison.

    15) . You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.

    16) . You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person.

    17) . You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

    18) . You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.

    19) . You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal

    20) . You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.

    21) . You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.
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    And all the libs reading Dragon's post are sitting there going "Uh huh that right"

    I thnk John Kerry is going to steal it for part of his campaign.
    Never Forget 9-11-01!!!!!!
    There wasn't just 343, the other 73 rescue workers deserve to be remembered too!!!!

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    Boy! that band of IAFF members following Kerry around don't set well with me, every time he speaks there they are.. according to the pole we need to get a band together for Bush.. SB (Local 1355 retired)
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    Cool Now This.......................... ..

    My esteemed colleague, Tillerman25, mentioned Chappaquiddick. (sp?) And since he brought it up, I'll add this: Once upon a time, there was a place called 3 Mile Island. At the Island, there was a Nuclear Power Plant. One day, something went wrong at the power plant and Philly almost went up in a mushroom cloud. Hundreds of thousands of people were real mad about this, and it cost a fortune to fix. The Democrats blamed the Republicans and cried over the dangers of Radiation. The same Democrats were not around when one of their leaders lost control of his car and plunged off a bridge at Chappaquiddick, killing his Female passenger, whom, reportedly, was not known to any of his family, including his wife. My Point?? More people died at Chappaquiddick than at Three Mile Island.
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    John Kerry walks into a bar full of horses. He sits down at the bar. A horse next to him asks, "Hey, buddy, why the long face?"
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    you gotta love that Kerry sits there and says I'm not going to question the President's military service and then 2 sentences later he does it. An interview on ABC earlier this week

    Mr Kerry I think your slime is showing again
    Never Forget 9-11-01!!!!!!
    There wasn't just 343, the other 73 rescue workers deserve to be remembered too!!!!

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    not me i am a die hard democrat. i dont want bush in much longer or i might end up in some ****hole country because he decided to invade them.

    scuttlebutt has it the 3rd ID is going to Korea instead of Iraq so you tell me who you want for president


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    Cool Wow...........................

    What's really scary is that three people who registered a response in the poll said that they would vote for Nader. We desperately need LESS enviromental BS, not more. Wingnuts like Nader are responsible for the high gas prices, and you would actually vote for them? Change is needed NOW in America, but not Nader's idea of change.
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    Thanks to "wingnuts" like Nader, thousands are alive today that would otherwise be dead. And to blame him for high gas prices is totally off the mark.

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by ThNozzleman
    [B]Thanks to "wingnuts" like Nader, thousands are alive today that would otherwise be dead.
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    #1. Thanks to "wingnuts" like Nader, thousands are alive today that would otherwise be dead.

    This statement is truly debatable. The corvair wasn't killing them off that quickly, and by it's end was a sweet handling little car. Has nader really accomplished anything else of note? (well yes, to answer my own question. He sucked some of the vote away from Igore, and that was a good thing)

    A strong case could be made that overzealous consumer advocates have the opposite effect. The medical industry is a good example of this. Why start a private practice if the your liability insurance cost will run you back out of business? I could go on, but I won't at this time.

    Can we think of any LODD (wild land) due to environmental policies?


    #2. And to blame him for high gas prices is totally off the mark.
    I think HWOODS was lumping the enviro whacko's that inhabit the Green party with Nader, since he's their chief, their sultan of the spotted owl, so to speak. But, yes, Dorothy, the enviro left, by keeping most of our petro needs outside of the US, removes control of our energy destiny, so to speak. Again, their are a lot of examples, too short time and space.

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    1)The world is a much safer place without Sadam Hussain in control of Iraq, but the question is who is in control of Iraq?
    2)Yes, our glorious president did have a plan to go to Iraq, he just did not have a plan for ocupation. But acording to everyone he is a good leader. If the man had a plan for occupation Where is it????Our troops are over there getting shot at and killed. Let us not forget about them.
    3)Thinking about our troops, lets not forget we still have troops in Afganistan. Searching for Osma Bin Ladin.
    4)I support our troops 100%, but I can not vote for President Bush. and yes I remember those Americans who were murderd on 911.

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    hey kjohn23.. maybe you could sway me, give me some good reasons to vote for kerry?
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    hey kjohn23.. maybe you could sway me, give me some good reasons to vote for kerry?
    Let's see; he didn't lie to us in order to start some stupid war that has killed thousands upon thousands?

    And as for Ralph Nader, I truly believe most people are completely ignorant of the advances in automobile safety that people like him fought for. Everything from seat belts to safer door latches, and more. Because of people like him, industry is no longer able to pawn dangerous products on the unknowing public. You may think it's "over-regulation", but I, for one, am glad that I can use a toaster without electrocuting myself, or have a minor car accident without worrying about the windshield cutting my head off.

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    Let's see; he didn't lie to us in order to start a stupid war that has killed thousands upon thousands?
    Your right, I agree. we should have done nothing just like Neville Chamberlin in 1930's Europe. That only ended up taking 6 years and how many millions more dead to stop?How about the thousands upon thousands who were killed, maimed or raped by an open supporter of terrorism? How many of these people were killed by our own inaction since 1991? Do we not have any responsibility for them? Why is it that liberals always blame the US , and never the perpetrators of events? By not doing anything we are condoning that savage's actions. But then again, life would be better with him in power. That is where we would be with him still ruling. Of course maybe then, only a few thousand of our own citizens could be dead or maimed from terrorism supported by saddam. Sure, that's a good trade off.To say that this administration lied to us is ridiculous. Our intelligence agencies were crippled, for obvious reasons. ELINT is not as effective for this type of action as HUMINT. All the electronic garbage in the world does us no good for what we are up against. The previous administration admitted iraq was a severe problem. Vladimir Putin, of all people has also stated recently that iraq posed a grave danger to the US. This said just after his return from the G-8 summit. Also, don't go saying that the Bush administration used 9-11 as a reason for going to war there, they NEVER said that. This is the war on terror. Iraq openly participated in state sponsored terrorism. But then again, a known mass murderer is removed from power and were the liars. A state sponsor of terrorism is removed and were the bad guys. More schools, fresh water and hospitals are up and running there; and were in it only for the oil. My bad, I forgot.
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    hey kjohn23.. maybe you could sway me, give me some good reasons to vote for kerry?
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    Let's see; he didn't lie to us in order to start some stupid war that has killed thousands upon thousands?


    Ah, but I have no idea how Kerry feels about many issues becasue he does not stick to an opnion. I know I have a problem with his pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-affirmative action stances. As a former resident of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts I never saw him do anything for the state (neither has Ted Kennedy and he's been there for 40+ years.

    I fail to see how any member of congress who has been a Senator for 20+ years can look at me and tell me he can change the problems in the system when he helped make problems within that system. Mr. Kerry is too entrenched in the system of our corrupted and lost federal government.

    As for Mr. Nader, I do not believe in Socialism as it puts the rights of the governement before the people and tramples on an individual's rights. I understand many laws in our government trample individual rights and I have a problem with that, but socialism is not the way to go.

    Both of these will take us more towards socialized health care which is a failure for proper, adequate, care of patients, and will hurt the economical growth of this country forever. Higher taxes are not what this nation needs to run itself, it needs TRUE FISCAL ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY.

    I have many problems with Bush as well, I do not believe in faith based intiatives, his stances on the environment are pretty weak, I do not suppport capital punishment, and other issues as well.

    I used to think that I would vote for Bush becasue the Kerry is such a bad choice in comparison, but the sad fact about modern politics at local, county, state, and federal levels is that we end up having to choose the lesser of several evils and this marches this great Republic further down the road to failure. We as a nation, individuals, and voters are just as responsible as the twits who are elected into these positions.
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    I wish I could vote for None of the above, I have yet to meet an honest politician.The election process is not about who is best for the job, it is who is the less evil.Hey Mr Perot your country needs you.Now if Mr Vush would get rid of his Vice President Mr Haliburton himself, and get Rudy to run with him he might get my vote.Hell for that matter the ticket I would love to see in the election would be Rudy and McCain

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    Talking And Now..........................

    Just when you thought you were safe, I'm back. I consider "The Nozzleman" a friend, and this is a debate among friends. I don't like a lot of things that Ralph Nader is a symbol of/for. I owned a Corvair many years ago. I thought it was great. I do not share the position of some people about Consumer Product Safety. America OVER PROTECTS PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES. Period. On to Oil. The last new Petroleum Refinery to be built (to date) in America was in 1976!! Makes no difference how much oil we get, there is a finite refinery capacity. I blame Nader, and those of his ilk, for this. Moderate people need to take America back from the enviornmental nuts. Yes, I said NUTS. California needs to have it's chain yanked big time on this. There is simply no excuse for a state (Ca.) making Enviro laws that exceed the federal laws in severity. We need adequate supplies of cheap oil, and the ecology has to take whatever hits that are needed to make this happen. My list goes on, but you get the idea.
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