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    A few years ago Elk Grove Calif purchased a used engine. It was painted white. When the chief put in an order to paint it red they wanted to know why. Chief Cliff said, "School buses are yellow, garbage trucks are white and fire engines are red. And, that's the way it's going to be in my department!"

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    Originally posted by Weruj1
    cause the suspenders are !
    You should have heard the disappointment when we were issued new gear with blue suspenders!

    All our rigs are red. Our newest engine has a white stripe. There has been talk about adding the stripe to the other rigs too.

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    Fire engines are red because fire engine paint is red. Duh!



    As for the white top thing, I suspect it might have originated with a heat thing. Many old pickup trucks from the 60's and early 70's didn't have air conditioning, so to help keep them cooler they were painted white from the bottom of the windows up. Might be the same thing with fire apparatus--the red is darker and gets hotter than white. Just guessing.

    If this is right, our trucks are very cool--they're solid white!
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    this is another one of those "I read it somewhere a while ago but can't remember where..." things...
    My understanding is that fire apparatus in general was painted red, for it's association with emergency, etc., as stated above. Look at almost any vintage engine in a Muster unit- they are ALL RED! However, in the '60s and '70s, concerns over visibility (especially at night) began to be an issue. At that time slime greens, yellows, and white were considered (proven??) to be more highly visible than red under poor light conditions. This promted a move in many depts to the funky color schemes. However, in the last 10-20 years, improvements in the addition of reflective agents to paints, as well as more study into improved striping, has brought back a resurgence in red color schemes. Some of the more practical ideas, such as white uppers to reduce the greenhouse effect in the cab have stuck around, probably as much for looks as for the intended purpose.

    As for purple or orange? I'm not sure even God understands THAT......

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    The theory I always heard , was that the first true gloss enamel paint was red. They used a by product of forging steel as a pigment. All the other colors were a flat pastel. And on the slime green, Ward Lafrance was the culprit.

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    Originally posted by EastKyFF

    If this is right, our trucks are very cool--they're solid white!
    Yes very cool indeed

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    OK lets cover this again. The first closed cab anything in Chicago were some chief's cars with canvas tops that they couldn't paint. When the city got closed cab apparatus the cabs were painted with the black tops. Commissioner Albert Goodrich liked the look so it stayed.

    in the early 80's Commissioner Blair (From LA)tried to get rid of the black tops (only on the left coast) but it didn't take and the tradition continues.

    As for the red. It is a very hard color to make and back in the early days of the US fire service hose carts and pumpers were painted red as a source of pride. Even in early (1900's) cars red was almost unknown.

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    The first motorized pumper to be used in Britain was made by the firm of "Merryweather" this was in 1904. When originally built it was painted dark green and was called "Green Goddess" I suppose this was the reason that the Home Office vehicles supplied to the british Auxilliary Fire Service in the early fifties (and still in use) are called "Green Goddesses.

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    Talking because red looks so much better! (IMHO)

    case in point...
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    Nice new toy San Antonio!!!


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    Thanks Cheffie.

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    It is correct that Ward LaFrance started the slime lime "craze." The first truck painted that color was given to my department by the Pabst Company a few years ago. We just recently sold it back to the department that made the initial purchase of the truck in the 1930's. Now for a little history...

    In the 1970's, Ward LaFrance and DuPont teamed up to create a "more visible" color for fire apparatus. Ward LaFrance bought back a 1937 engine, which was originally brown, and painted it slime lime. The truck then toured the country, promoting the new color. Eventually, the truck was retired from touring, and purchased by the Pabst company to be used for their water fight team.

    In the early 2000's, the Pabst company contacted "Fire Truck Chuck," the chief of the Mount Horeb Fire Deparment, and wanted to donate the truck. They new about how well we keep our trucks, and thought that we would take as good for care of it as we do with the other trucks.

    In 2004, it was decided that we could no longer keep the older parade trucks that were not originally ours, and we were contacted by the fire department that placed the order with WLF, and it has been sold to that department.

    I might dig up a few pictures of it.
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    Real men drive Green Rigs.
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    In the UK just about 99% of fire appliances are RED . Some brigades toyed with yellow for a while, but always went back to RED.

    Yellow is for breakdown trucks.

    Green is for ambulances.


    RED is for fire engines!

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    Originally posted by martinm Yellow is for breakdown trucks.

    Yes, as a matter of fact, we DO break down a lot of things with our trucks.........
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    Look Mom a big bumblebee!

    jk dude it looks good.
    I just couldn't resist.

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    A lot of barns were painted red because the rust red was an easy, almost home made paint using red clay pigments. Glossy reds, as used on fire trucks, are expensive compared to other colors because of pigmentation.

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    Our first "engine" back in 1885 was natural wood color.
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