It's bad enough when the electricians don't want to mess with them, and they are trained......... When I replaced the siding on my house I had to have my meter pulled away from the house. When I was done and the guy was remounting it, he pretty much told he he was scared $h*tless. He'll do it if he has to, but that's about it.....
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03-30-2004, 08:07 PM #21
03-30-2004, 11:13 PM #22
It used to be our standard practice, but we were advised against it and no longer do so on the advice of one of our Engineers, who's "day job" happens to be as an Electrical Engineer with Southern California Edison. Now, we just use the main disconnect and/or call in Edison. Considering we have 2 Edison employees on our department and several senior execs living in town, we tend to get a pretty rapid response from them.Chris Gaylord
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03-31-2004, 01:20 AM #23Originally posted by hotboy
pulling the meter will disrupt the electrical current. Basically the meter is a fuse.
03-31-2004, 01:56 AM #24Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
they don't fight our fires, we don't pull their meters.
03-31-2004, 08:38 AM #25
I'm with Gonzo,we don't pull 'em.Thats the electrical companies job.After you see one explode,you won't do it again.T.C.
03-31-2004, 08:40 AM #26Originally posted by hotboy
pulling the meter will disrupt the electrical current. Basically the meter is a fuse.AKA: Mr. Whoo-Whoo
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03-31-2004, 08:50 AM #27Basically the meter is a fuse.
03-31-2004, 08:54 AM #28
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Most of our structures are single and double wide trailers...county code requires a seperate service pole and panel outside the trailer..to secure electric power on those, you can just throw the main breaker.
Personally, I prefer to secure power at the panel at all possible or have the electric company secure it at the pole...we have alot of electricity theft in our area and pulling the meter may not kill the power to the structure.
Also, with commercial structures having 3 phase service, securing the power at the panel instead of the meter will insure that the power is cut....its always a good idea to have the electric company come in and secure the incomming service to be 100%"where is my second due?"
03-31-2004, 09:07 AM #29...we have alot of electricity theft in our area and pulling the meter may not kill the power to the structure.
03-31-2004, 09:13 AM #30
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I have read alot of interesting posts here. I also work for one of the power companies but not as a linemen. I work at a power plant. I will tell you what my volunteer fire dept does. It takes 1 hour or longer for the power company (line crew) to get to our location. It is very frustrating to wait on the line crew to get to us but they may have to travel 50 miles or further to reach us. We generally do not pull the meters, however we have done so in the past. We try to open the breakers or outside disconnect (not on the pole)in the structure before pulling the meter as a last resort.
Meters ARE NOT FUSES. They ARE NOT DISCONNECTS. Linemen gloves are checked every month by an outside company. They are checked to see if they will conduct electric current through the gloves. Before Electric Companies employees use the gloves they must visually inspect the glove and look for holes in the gloves.
Everyone who pulls the meters must know the risk that are associated with doing so. I would discourage any one from doing this without the proper training and equipment from their local power company
03-31-2004, 02:09 PM #31
No, never, absolutly not, not an option.
03-31-2004, 05:56 PM #32
Not common practice but it has happened
We had Detroit Edison present their “Arcs and Sparks” demo at one of our meetings. They said “don’t pull meters but if you do this is how to do it”. They also gave us plastic covers to place in the box to fill the hole.
They also mentioned grabbing the gas detector and taking a reading inside the box first.
03-31-2004, 08:38 PM #33
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I was waiting for Gonzo to chime in on this one, because I respect his opinions and he is usually right on the money (except for that PPV thing....)
03-31-2004, 10:21 PM #34
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03-31-2004, 10:42 PM #35
So I guess the general consensus here is don't pull the meter. By now, everyone knows that pulling the meter does nothing in most occupancies now.
Where I come from we have the power company respond. We notify the powere company early from dispatch, if it isn't automatic by the dispatcher at the time of dispatch. Excel Energy has people on call all over their area and it is rare we have to wait longer than 20min any given time. Guess we are lucky. They show up and shut the house off of the power pole, they don't even mess with the house itself.
We will shut off the breakers and the gas meter.
Altoona Fire Rescue
04-01-2004, 03:40 AM #36
Yes sir. Especially any fire where there is going to be interior operations the meter is pulled. If we waited for the electric company to do it our area would look like the parking lot at Disney World.
Granted the majority of our buildings are single or double family dwellings or small shops and businesses.
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04-01-2004, 08:54 AM #37
Lots of great information here so far, thanks! I also appreciate the professionalism of those who disagree with me in expressing their opinions in a civilized manner. I respect that you are watching out for my safety.
And let me clarify that the majority of our structure fires are residential-type electrical services, and we do put meter plates on them. I agree that the bigger systems should definitely be left the heck alone altogether.
We wouldn't even consider it at our FD if we had some of the excellent power co. response that other posters here have indicated. I don't like pulling the things--I would prefer that the power co. cut the drop, but with 45- and 60-minute response times for them, this area would look like a parking lot.
Does anyone have a diagram showing how pulling the meter does NOT kill power? Does this apply to anything other than 3-phase wiring? This is worth knowing."Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.”
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04-01-2004, 09:39 AM #38
The 4th edition of IFSTA on power point has a diagram on how pulling the meter does not always kill the power. I cant remember which chapter but its in with all the other electrical stuff.
I am also pleased to see the professionalism that all posters so far have shown.Member IACOJ & IACOJ EMS Bureau
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04-01-2004, 10:18 AM #39
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but one should always be aware of auxillary systems, such as solar cell systems and back-up generators that start automatically.
04-01-2004, 12:04 PM #40
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We always pull the meter if we can get to it. This is usually done on the walk around and if the fire isint on that side of the structure. Here, pulling the meters on the houses does shut off the electric and we place a plastic plate over it and put meter in the truck. When this happens, the people that own it have to get the building inspected by an electrician before the electric company will give the meter back to them. Some of the newer structures supposedly are supposed to be built with a breaker switch under the box so you can throw that and lock it instead of pulling the meter, but I have yet to see one of those. The gas is also shut of right away.
We don't want to take the chance of hitting the right thing with water then getting shocked. Its one of those "Work smarter, not harder" things, a good piece of advice that is.---Steve---
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