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    Though I don't remember weighing in the last time this topic was beaten to death, I believe I would have used a large handline with straight/solid stream, into the overhead of the garage, from the outside, to knock it down, then move inside the front door. This wouldn't take too long with a 2 1/2 flowing at least 250 gpm. I can see putting a handline between the interior door and the rest of the house first, if conditions allow it, but this thing was moving fast, and we all know how long lightweight construction stands up to this type of fire. Of course, I don't know if anyone was inside, or what kind of initial water supply was provided.

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    I'm not sure where your talk about the 3x7 hole came from!?!?
    I believe he's talking about opening the door.

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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman

    I believe he's talking about opening the door.
    Heh heh.....ummm...damn. 3x7. Don't ya' hate it when you say something incredibly stupid when you're trying to prove a point? My bad.
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    if I recall correctly the "general" concensus was to blitz it to darken it down and then mop up with the 1 3/4, or go dulge gun then handline.........either way big water fast and "race to attic" to check for extension.
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    A decent job Don by those guys... I Def agree fire had extended on arrival runnin the walls. I wud of ran a line through the 1st floor to the garage and a line upstairs. also sending a truck to the roof opening up

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    A 360 includes looking in windows, first floor and especially basement. If you're not looking in windows and poking your head in any unlocked doors, you could completely miss the location of the fire, especially a basement one that's venting in another location.

    As to the thoughts in the video that the fire was already in the walls, look at the video again, especially where it broke through the side of the house (gabel end).

    Is this the type of building you'd expect balloon frame construction? Nope, way to new. Yeah, maybe the homeowner or sloppy contractors may have made some voids, but it ain't balloon frame.

    Moreover, look at the discoloration of the siding. It's at the level of and timing proximate to the fire auto-exposing the siding on the 2nd floor, and from their extending into the eaves and across and inside the attic (interior attic walls most likely where exposed, i.e. no sheetrock or insulation). Had the fire been in the walls from the original fire in the garage, you would've seen the siding discoloring/melting all the way up the wall. Nope, this fire got into the attic via the eaves, not the wall.
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    I also believe the fire should have been attacked from the exterior (hopefully a side door, unless there are auto exposure problems) after an 1 3/4 line has been stretched interior and confirmed no extension. This line can then be brought to the second floor or have another line come in. If you have 3 guys available for firefighting, then 2 FFs inside, and one on a 2 1/2 on the exterior. If it happens at night time or the occupancy is unknown, a line must go inside immediately. If you are content on attacking from the interior, having a line on the exterior to protect the soffit would be needed. Only my opinion.
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