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  • Send to manufacturer

    7 38.89%
  • Have Local Equipment Dealer Do It

    2 11.11%
  • Rig Up Our Own Way Of "Testing" In-House

    4 22.22%
  • Don't Test

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    Default Can We "Test" Our Own Rescue Airbags?"

    A fire officer from the State of Washington wrote;

    "Mr.Moore; I read your article about air bag safety and testing. Our department has a set of Vetter air bags that are 12 years old. They have never been tested; this is the first time I have even heard that they could be tested. Do the bags need to be tested by Vetter or is this something that we can do locally?"

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    What do you think about this issue? I wrote back that the manufacturers always want to do the "testing" if they can convince you of that. But in fact, if you can rig up the hardwre yourself, you could do the testing at the department. What's your take on this? Answer the pole and let's find out...
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    Liability for members and public would be number one concern for any "Local" testing.

    How do you decide if the test is fair, or good.

    How do you decide if you have overstrained the unit, causing a failure point for the future?
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    I say gotta go to the manufacturer.............
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    how about the cost effective way, if you think they need to be tested; just replace them with the most expensive set you can find

    (I hope the sarcasm come through)

    seriously, I have no idea; can't see why we can't test them. We just need to know how to test them.

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    We have Maxi-force airbags and on the paratech web site there is a FAQ on how to test the maxi-force bags, it's a simple pass or fail test where a fixed air pressure is placed in the bag and then left for 30 minutes, if the pressure drops then the bag is taken out of service. You can also use a soap-water mix to location any leaks, But as the FAQ states if it leaks it's out of service.
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    I figure that since the manufacturer knows more than any of us do we'll send it to him
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    Yes you can do your own testing, but as others have said, I'd be concerned about the liability if it were to fail in the field after you performed your own testing.

    I say, send it to the manufacturer or another independant authority.
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    O.K.

    Say you test your 12 y.o. airbags at working pressure (116 psi) under its maximum load, how do you know how much dryrot is present inside the bag? How do you know how much MORE you damaged that bag by "maxing" the bag out?

    How does the manufacturers determine what the condition of the inside of the bag is? Can they detirmine the inside condition? I'm inclined to say, NO!!

    The only airbags that can be tested PROPERLY/SAFELY are ResQ Tek NT Air Bags and thats only because you can access the inside of the bags so you can dry, inspect and/or repair them.

    They are actually Hydro tested just as an air cylinder, which in turn allows the expansion of the bag to be measured to see if there is any damage to the bag or if it is still within its manufactured spec's.

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    As with hydrotesting cylinders, an internal inspection is generally required. Such is the case with fire extinguishers and SCBAs plus other types. The ResQTek NT bags offer a way on internal inspection. I'm not aware of any other bag that allows this.

    Once tested, how are the bags marked? Who keeps the records and for how long. Does each bag have a serial number? What test pressure is used? How are the bags dried after testing? There are more questions.

    Ideally there would be a consesus from the mfg. I hope that would happen.
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    Curious question: Other than the fact that we want to know our bags are Ok for use and not damaged, is there any requirement by any "official" body to test air bags?
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    Once tested, how are the bags marked? Who keeps the records and for how long. Does each bag have a serial number? What test pressure is used? How are the bags dried after testing? There are more questions.
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    The NT Bags can be marked. I'm told that they can be stamped on the top plate.

    The manufacturer, Zumro ResQ, Which is ResQ Tek's sister company maintains all of the testing records and serial numbers. If the department wants to keep their own records on the bags they will be provided copies upon request.

    The NT ResQ Bags have a working pressure of 147 psi and are hydro'ed at 300 psi then both caps (top and bottom) are removed and hung to dry.

    More Questions?

    Bones,

    To the best of my knowledge there is no requirement by an official body for air bag testing. If there were I think more manufacturers would be making a "testable" air bag.

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    I agree that the manufacture should test them. The public is so sue happy now days, and god forbid something should happen, the manufacture has a lot deeper pockets than most departments that I know.


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