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    Default Man, that could have been bad!

    This is from a fire we had last night. The house is nearly 100 years old and had been subject to numerous modifications over the years. One of which caused us a great deal of concern. Here's an exterior view of the room of origin. Note the chimney. You can't really see it from this view but the top has a little brick arch rain cover but is otherwise open and appears fully functional.
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    Here's a view of the same chimney from inside the room of origin.

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    And here's another view of the same chimney. It was located right over the stove so every time the residents cooked, they had this thing over their heads. Obviously, with the fire damage it posed a huge danger to our people.

    I've never seen anything like this, but I'm no contractor. I also don't recall seeing it in any classroom setting or trade publication. Is it common practice? Is there some external visual clue that could have tipped us off?
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    Default Wholy shiz!!!!!!!!!!!

    Several years ago, a guy I know was remodeling his home. He decided to remove the chimney so he started removing it brick by brick....FROM THE BOTTOM.

    To make a long story short, he had made his way to the first floor and was standing on a metal folding chair, reaching bricks up towards the ceiling when the phone rang. While talking on the phone......KABOOOOOOOOOOM.....followed by a rush of silt that filled his entire house. He went to the kitchen to find a flat chair and a room full of bricks!!!!!
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    Thanks for posting the photos... I'm going to make sure all of our guys see this to prove the point that it's not always what you see that's gonna kill you!
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    We know these as 'wooden chimneys'....and yes they are potential killers. We run across these every once in a while, usually in old balloon frame homes such as the one pictured here. We worked a nasty fire a few years ago in an old balloon house with multiple false walls, voids, etc. Lo and behold we found one of these during overhaul, it was supported by two 2x10's that were 2/3 burned through and was right above where crews had been working. We wound up pulling it down with a winch the next day before the homeowners started salvaging their possessions. I know of no sure way to identify one from the exterior, although in an old house with multiple chimneys through the roof I would be immediately suspicious.

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    Is it my eyes or is that a vent hole cut in the roof in the first picture? You shouldn't do that, it burns houses down. Need to use the PPV fan and a fog.

    That is one d@mn scary chimney setup that I hope I never run across!

    EFD - mind if I "save" this picture for an upcoming Truck Company Ops class? Good example of the unexpected.
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    Is it my eyes or is that a vent hole cut in the roof in the first picture?
    Alas, it is something of an optical illusion. Nobody was home when the fire started and it was reported by a passer-by after it vented through the roof. We didn't get the chance to cut the hole and make it burn down faster.

    It is a tin roof (coated with something that was slick as owl s%$#) and what you're seeing is a result of some overhaul work. TCfire nailed the description of this house perfectly. Balloon frame, lots of voids, 12' tongue and groove ceiling, etc. An overhaul nightmare.

    These pics don't show it well, but what we had was the kitchen on fire in the living area and the entire attic fully involved. Fortunately, the tounge-and-groove acted like a good firebreak and although the tin roof is gone, the house ain't.

    Please, use the pictures. I took these pics posted them because it scared the crap out of me and I wanted to find out if these were common. That room was ripping and the thing could have fallen at any time.

    I've got these and just a few more of the house in good quality 1600x1200 jpegs. If you (or anyone else) are interested, post or send me your e-mail and I will shoot them your way.

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    EFD840 I'd love to get the extra pictures you have.

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    Wow!
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    Yeah it could have been bad if there was any more damage to that building structure. You were lucky that you were able to save some of the building... It could have been a complete loss.
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    Originally posted by Bones42
    Is it my eyes or is that a vent hole cut in the roof in the first picture? You shouldn't do that, it burns houses down. Need to use the PPV fan and a fog.

    ROFLMAO!!!!!

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    WOW ................thank goodness you are all ok .........and Bones that was funny !
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    ditto to hwoods statement about passing on these pix...
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    Yikes, I'm glad you all are ok. Thanks for the pictures they will definitely make it into future training.

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    In a fire mag a few years ago they had a story about these chimneys and it was a common practice to build this type chimney around the turn of the century. It saved on construction costs. Brick was expensive and this saved allot of material but who knows how many lives they have claimed over the years. If I could get a copy of the pictures at firefighter430@hotmail.com it would be great or at our common mail at info@smokeandfireprevention.com just put FF430 in the subject.
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    Originally posted by hwoods
    EFD, I'd like to see this passed on to Chief Billy Goldfeder for use by Firefighterclosecalls.com This could save someones life.
    Done.

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    We had a similar situation on a fire a few years ago. We had a fire at a country club that got into the attic. There was, what appeard to be, a stone chimney on the involved end of the structure. Well, we had a couple of guys just enter the attic space when the HVAC unit and the stone chimney came crashing down just a couple of feet from them. Luckily noone was operating below on the first floor any more, either. Close call!
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