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    Default IAFF Comeback!

    Over here in Syracuse, New York, t-shirts are being sold that have a saying "If you can't join the big dogs, join your local volunteer fire department".

    I am planning on having a t-shirt designed for spoof theirs and I can't think of what I want it to say. Any ideas?
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    Why "spoof" it?

    Not everyone can or will get hired on a career department, I think it will help to recruit volunteers.
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    I may have explained the shirt the wrong way. It's a slam against volunteers. I will get a photo of it and maybe then you guys will understand.

    It doesn't bother me. I just think spoofing it with something with a much better saying would be amusing. All in fun ofcourse.
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    I stand by my previous statement.
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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    Disclaimer: If you are offended by severe ribbing of the piad fire service and open and cocky praise of the voly fire service, to bad, grow thicker skin and get over it, I have! Dont read any farther if you think you are going to have hurt feelings. If you read any farther, and you are then offended, dont bother posting to tell me about it, you were for warned. If you still post to tell me you are offended, then I guess you cant follow instructions very well.



















    T Shirt ideas since you asked... oh, and if you use one of these you have to send me some...

    Since you asked...

    - Volunteer firefighters, the original fire service, accept no substitutes.

    - Volunteer firefighters, first I took your job, now tell you Girlfriend to stop calling me.

    - Volunteer firefighters, a pain in the Unions butt since *insert date here*

    - Volunteer firefighters, the best things in life ARE free.

    - Volunteer firefigthers, underpaid is an understatement.

    - Volunteer firefighter *insert ocupaition here, IE layer, programmer, etc...* I didnt quite my day job...but I still took one of yours.
    -Brotherhood: I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

    -Adversity: That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    Why "spoof" it?

    Not everyone can or will get hired on a career department, I think it will help to recruit volunteers.
    That my friend, I belive is way off. I think it will hurt the recruitment efforts.
    -Brotherhood: I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

    -Adversity: That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    Thumbs down Spoof or Poof

    First, what exactly is a "piad" fire service? This must be a derivation of a "paid" fire service. We did, however, read "farther". Just a note: "Farther's Day" is coming soon. I'm sure you meant further in the sentance run on....it was great!
    1. Volunteers were the original because there were no taxing bodies to pay them. Protect the homestead dummy.
    2. My girlfriend keeps calling and calling and calling because there was no answer after the tones were dropped for the third time. Oh yeah, it's bingo night!
    3. Volunteers may only be a pain in the a** for their sheer lack of organization that they may exhibit. Oh, other than their organizational skills in lighting fires...
    4. STD's are free and yes, the donut wagon is here!
    5. You volunteer to join and you volunteer to quit and yes, the donut wagon is here!
    6. One certainly hopes that your "ocupaition" is not that of a copy editor for the local newspaper.
    I think just maybe some sour grapes have found their way into the forum. Squash them NOW! The public pays the price!

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    Angry

    Oh how quickly this turned into a Career vs Volunteer thread.

    SamsonFCDES you've been aroung long enough to know better, Oyster since you are new here I'll just say these types of theads bring out ill will among some fire fighterts.

    Webteam please shut this thread down.

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    Default To paraphrase Weruj....

    Pardon me sirs....I believe this thread belongs over here:

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    Hehehe....Here we go again.

    I think these threads are like a good angioplasty. After Eating enough S--t Sammiches' for a few months, you need one to clear out your system.

    The shirt is obviously inflammatory. This is the same BS you hear all the time. Ignore it, it will go away. From what I hear Syracuse FD is severely understaffed and they Buy Orange Firetrucks. So they are getting the Brown end of the poop stirrer already.
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    WTFD10, here is a shirt for you....

    "If you can't handle the Big Dogs (TheWatchdesk.com) Join your Local Buff Magazine Website forum."

    90% of the people on here would get run off TWD with that Non-sensical BS talk about lights on POV's and Leather Helmets. There are a few from here that post over there, but not many. "Don't be Skeered."
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    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    WTFD10, here is a shirt for you....

    "If you can't handle the Big Dogs (TheWatchdesk.com) Join your Local Buff Magazine Website forum."

    90% of the people on here would get run off TWD with that Non-sensical BS talk about lights on POV's and Leather Helmets. There are a few from here that post over there, but not many. "Don't be Skeered."
    Hey SouthsideLadderMan....Wasn't dissin' and I ain't Skeered, I'm one of the few (although I mostly just lurk and laugh at Joey Knuckles)

    I was merely pointing out that they can crack each other over the head with this over there and nobody will care.

    And I think you'd agree that there's gonna be plenty of non-sensical BS on just about any firefighter forum, whether it's POV lights, paid/volly chest beating or who smoked who into their first due
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    I also believe that the shirt could hurt recruitment to some extent, if I were to read something like that (and did not have any fire service experence) I would think why would I want to join a volly dept. are they just a bunch of ''keystone cops'' or what?? But having fire service experence I know its just a childish argument over who is better. Currently I'm on a volunteer dept. and looking and trying to make it my career. Its not how much you get paid or if you get paid, its the rewarding experence that this job brings to those who can make the cut volly or paid.

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    I say don't reply, but if you must use the numbers to get your point accross. There are more vollies than career firefighters.

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    Default iaff?????

    sounds to me like you need a "syracuse fire department" comeback, not an iaff comeback. i have a lot of respect for volunteerism in all fields, especially the fire service (when and where it is deserved). i'm also a union man and i fail to see what connection your beef has to do with the international. i know for a fact that the iaff didn't print those ignorant, blow-hard t-shirts.

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    paid Vs. volunteer theres a new one!!

    I agree with Chingon keep the IAFF out of it!!!

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    Default Forget about it...

    Oh geez. I would forget about this whole shirt thing. The
    time and effort to produce a "comeback shirt" will on worsten
    the tension and is really just a waste of money.

    Career vs. Volunteer.

    PAID GUYS- Pretty much any of us career guys (including me)
    had to volunteer first to get where you are today. So dont
    dump on your roots. But paid FFs are much more educated and
    skilled. Its not an option rather a demand.

    VOLUNTEER GUYS- Most likely you would like to or wanted to
    go career once you got a taste of the rush. Please dont
    bash a paid person. They busted their tail to achieve that
    position. (see above)

    There...balanced and fair. Be cool, be nice and remember
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    Here is what the shirt looks like. Also, FYI - It's not the Syracuse Fire Department selling this shirt, it's a firefighter there who is also an Executive Officer of their Union. The fire department itself has nothing to do with the shirt.

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    You are making a mountain out of a molehill
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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    Originally posted by FB1138
    I say don't reply, but if you must use the numbers to get your point accross. There are more vollies than career firefighters.
    80% of the nation's firefighters are volunteers who protect 20% of the population...

    20% of the nation's firefighters are career, and they protect 80% of the population...

    seems that thinngs are balanced, kiddies... now go play nice!
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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    I think to understand where Signal99Com is coming from, you need to understand that the person who designed this shirt is, as he stated, a SFD union exec, has never been a volunteer firefighter, is anti-volunteer firefighter, lives in a town protected by volunteers (yet even though he is an experienced FF choses not to help out his fellow citizens, and would discourage his own children from joining a VFD if they it as a way to start following in their father's footsteps). and this is his creation.

    personally, I like these three the best:
    - Volunteer firefighters, first I took your job, now tell you Girlfriend to stop calling me.
    - Volunteer firefigthers, underpaid is an understatement.
    - Volunteer firefighter *insert ocupaition here, IE layer, programmer, etc...* I didnt quit my day job...but I still took one of yours.

    is creating a comeback shirt antagonistic to career staff? possibly. is the shirt that is being sold by a SFD union official insulting to volunteers? hmm, lets all think about it. and lets not even think about those career firefighters who are also active vols.

    the sad part is, you will probably find career FFs (and even some volunteer FFs) that will buy these shirts, and will even wear then around the firehouse. they will kill morale in combination departments, and have the sole purpose of degrading the volunteer service by one bird-droppings-spewing career firefighter who give career firefighters a bad name.

    so before you say the comeback shirt is wrong, what's the opinion on the shirt that is being sold by the union exec?
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    Default That's it I can't help it I'm ranting

    You know what, I'm tired of this. This needs to be a union thing. The IAFF has made a policy of attempting to destroy both volunteer/ paid on call fire services and private ambulance services who run 911, while the private/poc/volles want to work together with everybody. I have a IAFF city near me that won't call mutual aid from the volunteer cities that surround it. It has an IAFF city to the East and that is who they call. EVERY IAFF official I have ever me has had this BS holier than thou attitude that is represented by the shirt.

    Please understand I respect the sacrifice that people have made to become career FF's and most of the working stiffs on a career FD are good guys, but there is a lot of them who forgot their roots (Either volle/POC or pvt ambulance)and look down on the very thing that got them where they are.

    You know though It just isn't the IAFF. I have a rare opportunity to work with people from about 15 different unions and it actually is a union mentality, The IAFF has just adapted it to the fire service.
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    3 simple steps to solve the problem:

    1) Grasp hammer tightly at base of handle

    2) swing hammer with all your strength at your head

    3) hit head squarely in forehead area.

    This should eliminate any desire, on both sides, to continue this debate which a) will never end and b) really doesn't matter.

    Do your job, paid or unpaid, to the best of your ability and to protect your neighbors. Save the squabbling for someone else.

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    Exclamation SEE NEW THREAD

    I think it is time to change the direction of negatives...new thread

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