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    You can support a cause, it's called the "I wasn't good enough to be a paid firefighter because my house is 32 feet out side the city limits, and now I'm high & dry with a degree in fire science, so now I have to do something to buy a house in the city so I can be a paid firefighter fund".

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    If I buy it, do you promise to go away and not come back?
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    Here is option No. 2
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    Originally posted by Bones42
    If I buy it, do you promise to go away and not come back?
    My thoughts exactly, Bones. I see his 2nd post is as brilliant as his first.........


    WT, please do something with this thread before it gets uglier........

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    Originally posted by skcusffaidude
    Here is option No. 2
    Wow......... 3 posts in a row......... you are a genius......

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    I don't want you tee shirt and we surely don't want you here!

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    If you're smart enough to get a degree you should have been smart enough to know where city limits are. Don't come crying here because you made an error.

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    Originally posted by MEck51
    If you're smart enough to get a degree you should have been smart enough to know where city limits are. Don't come crying here because you made an error.
    Ouch! That's gonna leave a scar on his psyche!
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    Default Re: Support a cause... Buy my products!

    Originally posted by skcusffaidude
    You can support a cause, it's called the "I wasn't good enough to be a paid firefighter because my house is 32 feet out side the city limits, and now I'm high & dry with a degree in fire science, so now I have to do something to buy a house in the city so I can be a paid firefighter fund".

    How can you support my cause? Buy a tee-shirt...
    First of all, nice screen name, very innovative putting IAFF sucks backwards skcusffaidude. That shows a lot of maturity and professionalism, I just can't understand why your city wouldn't bend their rules for you and hire you on the spot, I'm sure they must not have been thinking that day.

    Secondly, most places that have residency clauses will do the entire interview process BUT you MUST have residency at the time of hire, so if your city falls under this umbrella you had plenty of time to make a change. It goes something like this, if you want something badly enough YOU make the changes necessary to make it happen; the rules don't bend or change to accomodate you. Furthermore, just because you happen to have obtained a Fire Science degree does not make you the greatest thing since sliced bread to the Fire Department. They are looking for a whole lot more than just a piece of paper that says you know how to read and recall information. They are looking for maturity, a team attitude, personality (positive), someone who is in it for the right reason's, etc.

    Perhaps instead of blaming the IAFF and anyone else that you may feel has done you wrong, you should take a few steps back, do a lil soul searching and figure out what it is that YOU can do to bring about the things you want in life. Just like I always tell my son, there ain't no one who is just going to hand you the life you want on a silver platter, you have to work hard to get to where you want to be and sometimes that means doing things we don't like in order to get there. BTW, blaming others and not taking ownership of the problem is NOT a good start. Coming here and whining to guys/gals who have gotten to where they are with blood, sweat and tears is not going to win you any favoritism or support.
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    Lightbulb I've said it before (in another thread)...

    ....and I'll say it again. The only person stopping you from getting a job is you. NOW QUIT CRYING! go take a test or something.

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    I still want to know how he survived 4 years of school to get a degree. The level of brainpower exhibited here could not have gotten him that far.
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    nm, it's not that hard for "just anyone" to take a course and pass it, ace it even; memorization of facts and figures for a short period, knowing "how" to take a test, recognizing key words in a question etc can make passing a breeze. However, that being said, anyone can be BOOK smart, let's see you apply what you've "learned" on the street, with confidence and mastery. Just because someone can recite, oh let's say all the facts and figures out of an IFSTA Manual doesn't mean they necessarily know how to apply those facts and figures in real life situations.
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    darn... you all are a bunch of harsh people.... someone decides to vent and everyone jumps...makes me glad i rarely post.. i may not live up to the standards of all the great minds in here.

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    I agree with you 100% SAFD46TRUCK.

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    Venting is one thing, WHINING and COMPLAINING and PLACING BLAME are totally different. I didn't see the second post because it was edited, however the first one was a definite PITY PARTY. Not to mention the fact that the screen name is disrespectful and speaks volumes about the attitude of the poster. Besides, the poster obviously came here seeking a response, they got one, just not the one they expected that's all.
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    Pfire. I'm guessing you didn't see the other thread he started about this? The entire thread was deleted. It made his idiotic ramblings in this thread look like a love song. That is where my conclusions about lacking brain power came from.
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    You are correct in that assumption nm, I wasn't "lucky" enough to have seen that piece of work before it was removed, however I did hear about it. Is that the one where he/she rambled on about the IAFF and Volunteers?
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    Originally posted by xtremefire456
    darn... you all are a bunch of harsh people.... someone decides to vent and everyone jumps...makes me glad i rarely post.. i may not live up to the standards of all the great minds in here.
    If you can't take the heat, then don't post in the forums...
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    I don't think anybody is being harsh. Guys and girls break their asses to get a job as a firefighter, they take the time find out requirments, they take the time to train and study. I know the things I had to do to get a job. I had to rent an apartment, 1 bedroom which means put the family on hold, I had to go to plenty of schools, guess what more time away from home, I had to apply myself 100%, I had to take the tests, and so did a great number of people working in this profession. Now we got this knucklehead coming out and crying about how he doesn't live up to the standards. Well the truth of the matter is, he is right. You don't live up to the standards if you did you might have a job.

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    It just goes to show that Affirmative Action works.

    He recieved a loud and affirmative NO.
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    Originally posted by PFire23
    You are correct in that assumption nm, I wasn't "lucky" enough to have seen that piece of work before it was removed, however I did hear about it. Is that the one where he/she rambled on about the IAFF and Volunteers?
    Yes. He made statements that were so off the wall, you just would be beside yourself.
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    Everything was planned out... I attended fire science classes at the same time as paramedic technology classes. I talked with the city fire commissioner, he stated that with a degree I was sure to get a job, as they badly needed crews for new specialized teams. I asked if I had to be a resident of the city, or if it was okay for me to continue to reside in the township, my home being about 200 yards from the fire headquarters. He said that was fine!

    Fine...

    I get an interview, to apply to be a firefighter/paramedic. Everything goes fine, I fill out all the paperwork, then I get this form to fill out what district I live in. I tell the interviewer that I live in the township, less than 30 feet from the city line. Still on the same street as the building we are in.

    He said it is union policy that all members live in the city, exception being chief and planning/protection board officers, and that this bylaw had just been made retroactive. This prevents city firefighters from "moonlighting" with other poc/combination departments. I told him what I had been told, showed him the policy books I had been given, and that I had planned the past six years of my life around the rules/bylays that had been set. I had been working part time with city EMS, and they still operated by the paperwork I had. If I was on their list to be hired, why wasn't I notified of this change..?

    I was told that my name was taken off the list b/c I was in violation of their "Union Bylawys covering residency restrictions". I asked what union, they told me the firefighters union, the only one I could find in the city records was IAFF.

    So... Now I'm going to have to sell my house and get an apartment because I won't have my salary to pay off college loans. This means I will be able to move into the city. Good yes, a hassle yes, what I had to do to get the job of my dream... yes.

    You're all right,it was very discourteous and unprofessional to rant in such a whiney-bitchy way... But at the moment, thats what I felt like doing, I was crying with my fingers. I've put many years into my career, and being told I can't do it was too much, a let down, a punch in the face. I apologize for letting off steam, maybe I let off too much in the wrong place, maybe it came out the wrong way... It did. I'm only human, a voice among many... Too low to be heard.

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    Thanks for clarifying your situation. I can understand and appreciate your frustration. At the same time though you must also understand the union's stance, they are in place to protect the members and in order to protect the members such bylaws have to be implemented. For the same reasons that you state they are locking you out are the reasons they are protecting their members. We don't always understand the rules, nor do they always make sense, but we do need to know that they are usually there for a reason, and when it boils right down to it, these same rules will be protecting you once you get on. I know selling your home and basically starting over is a daunting and frustrating task, you are willing because this is what you want to do. The end result will be a satisfying career, that will mean all that much more to you and fill you with that much more pride and satisfaction because you had to sacrifice just a little bit more to get there. Keep a good attitude and good things will come your way. Sometimes we have to sacrifice a lot to gain a little, but that little bit can be so fulfilling. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor. Just a side note, if you wanna get on with a union dept. getting rid of the iaff sucks s/n might be a plus.
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    I don't see that being a Union rule unless it's just that Local. Strange since a residency rule like that really doesn't prevent someone from joining another agency outside of the city limits. Many volunteer departments have residency restrictions so that the people are within reasonable distance when the call goes out. We don't, we take people from all over the Houston area, they just have to stay at the station on their shifts.

    Philadelphia (like many other cities) has had a residency restriction as far back as I can remember. It was the city and not the union because the city wanted their FFs to be close to a station when at home in case more resources were needed. Houston doesn't have one, and as far as I've heard, no one else around hear that's career/IAFF represented does either. From hearing others in FDNY post, they don't have one either. I think maybe the buck was being passed by a city employee.

    All in all, frustration being what it is, you might have been better off typing the post and not submitting it. Not the same thing, but at least the fingers work off the stress.

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    FDNY does have a residency requirement. How well it's enforced....
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