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    Default Any Dept On Hear Still Use The Smooth Bore Nozzle?

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    Matt,

    If you do a search about smooth bores you'll see that they aren't a waste of time, and do have good qualities.

    On the left there is a red "box" with 9 links in it like Forums, Forum Profile, etc. Click on Search and enter "Smooth Bore" in as your keywords, look at some of the threads like "High rise pack". Even in South Burlington, one of your neighbors, they have some pretty tall buildings, think about the stand pipe systems.

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    Don't even waste your time responding to this clown. He obviously doesn't know jack about much of anything. Just an uneducated ignorant member of the fire service.

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    Angry Re: Any Dept On Hear Still Use The Smooth Bore Nozzle?

    Originally posted by EFIRE15FF7
    I know we stoped useing it because its a waste of time. The adjustable ones get just a good enough straight stream then a smoooth bore.

    First, I count 7 spelling mistakes right off the bat in your 2 line post. If you are sincere about prompting a discussion, and not simply trolling here, you need put a little more effort into your written communication.

    Second, I sincerely doubt you have done very little, if any real firefighting, let alone having the experience of actually using various nozzles on actual fires. If you had, you certainly wouldn't be posting nonsense like you just did.

    I suspect you are simply regurgitating something you heard somewhere, spoken by someone else with very little to no real world firefighting experience. Besides which, the tone you take is not one which I would deem proper for someone with so little time on the job. You come off as quite foolish.

    Alas, if you are truly curious about smooth bore nozzles, turn on your spellchecker and ask like a gentleman. I'd be happy to educate you, speaking from a ton of personal experience about why smooth bore nozzles are not a "waste of time."

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    Benefit of the doubt here...

    Smoothbore and CAFS is the ultimate fire extinquishing weapon IMO. We have a l.5 smothbore set up on our CAFS unit. It is awsome in its foaming power.

    Let the pressure build up for about 8 seconds and let her rip, the first 5 seconds are pure extasy as the foamy white liquid erupts from my 1.5 inch smoothbore covering everything that is hot within 50 feet and leaving it slopy and wet and covered in slippery white foam...
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    Any Dept On Hear Still Use The Smooth Bore Nozzle?
    Once in a while.

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    Default Re: Any Dept On Hear Still Use The Smooth Bore Nozzle?

    Originally posted by EFIRE15FF7
    get just a good enough straight stream then a smoooth bore.
    A smooth bore doesn't produce a straight stream....it produces a solid stream!!!!
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    Haha Adze is being a smartass now isn't he?

    Let the pressure build up for about 8 seconds and let her rip, the first 5 seconds are pure extasy as the foamy white liquid erupts from my 1.5 inch smoothbore covering everything that is hot within 50 feet and leaving it slopy and wet and covered in slippery white foam...
    And Samson, That leaves such a bad picture.

    Now where is TWEJFD when you need em'....*Goes a callin*
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    We cut way back on the use of ours, we only use them on fires now.

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    Originally posted by E229Lt


    Once in a while.
    That's true, Loo...once in a while, as in "Only whenever we go to a fire."

    Don't worry Matty, those TFT Nozzles you've been brainwashed by the sales hungry and ignorant into thinking are so great do have a use... they make excellent door chocks.

    As far as Sampson's experiences using SB w/ CAFS, I don't want to confuse the issue here, because that was not the intent of the orignal post. EFIRE15FF7 was comparing the smiliarity of the appearance of the stream from a combination nozzle to that of a Smoothbore and then proclaiming that therefore "Smooth Bore Nozzles are a waste." He mentions nothing of Gallons Per Minute, Nozzle Reaction force, or Required Pump Discharge Pressures, etc. He cites nothing of his vast practical experiences comparing the knockdown capability experienced from the different type nozzles. He fails to mention all the times he's pushed down a hallway with the line open and felt how much effort is required to operate a line where the nozzle pressure is doubled in order to push the water past a bunch of springs and crap.

    Has anyone gotten the impression yet that I'm sick of "inexperienced experts?"
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    Awww, C'mon we can use some more people like Matt around here can't we UsingAllHands? I mean, VERMONTERS that is.

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    Originally posted by 42VTExplorer
    Haha Adze is being a smartass now isn't he?
    Actually, no. There is a big difference between a straight stream and a solid stream. The solid stream is just that: a solid stream of water. A straight stream is broken up by the nozzle into little drops and then reassembled to appear like a solid stream of water, when in fact it contains plenty of air entrained within. In additon to requiring greater nozzle pressures to obtain equal flows, the knockdown capability of the combination nozzle set on straight stream is reduced, simply because much of the water is never delivered to its target (the burning fuel.) Because it is made up of little drops of water, much of this water is turned to steam or carried away by thermal currents before hitting the fire.

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    Originally posted by erics99
    Don't even waste your time responding to this clown. He obviously doesn't know jack about much of anything. Just an uneducated ignorant member of the fire service.
    Ouch! That's going to scar his psyche!

    posted by Samson
    Let the pressure build up for about 8 seconds and let her rip, the first 5 seconds are pure extasy as the foamy white liquid erupts from my 1.5 inch smoothbore covering everything that is hot within 50 feet and leaving it slopy and wet and covered in slippery white foam...
    Are we confusing fire tactics with a porn film? LOL
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    Now where is TWEJFD when you need em'....*Goes a callin*
    42VT...We aren't on the same department. I'm with the Junction, he's with the Town.
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    Oooh. I forgot about the Town / Junction seperation. Whoooops

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    Well I do not feel Welcome here on the site. So I will no longer be posting. Yes I do have very little Experience with firefighting then most of you. As far as the spelling goes. I was on here late at night and did not notice it.

    Thanks

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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo


    Ouch! That's going to scar his psyche!



    Are we confusing fire tactics with a porn film? LOL
    If that were the case I wouldnt be useing a 1.5 inch smoothbore...

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    A friend of mine on another shift has been researching various nozzles to be placed in the hirise packs. At some point in the past someone decided to put lightweight hose and a plastic nozzle in them so they would be less of a burden. They were obviously only thinking of the many false alarms we get. Our question was always, "would you enter a main floor house fire with that combo of hose and nozzle?" Why do we want to fight fire diferently on the 20th floor than we do on the 1st. It now looks like we will be getting some smooth bore nozzles due to their excellent performance at low pressures that are commonly encountered in these hirises. I'm looking forward to it. It's about time.
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    Originally posted by EFIRE15FF7
    So I will no longer be posting.
    Good idea...Being new on here is just like being a probie in real life. Keep your mouth shut and listen for awhile before you start shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing about.
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    Originally posted by EFIRE15FF7
    Well I do not feel Welcome here on the site. So I will no longer be posting. Yes I do have very little Experience with firefighting then most of you. As far as the spelling goes. I was on here late at night and did not notice it.

    Thanks
    Well that's one solution, and while I'm certainly not begging you to stay, just remember that nobody said you can't post. Anyone is welcome to ask genuine questions. What grates on my nerves is johnny-know-it-alls.

    And while it's understandable that a late night post might contain a spelling error or two, every third word spelled wrong shows me that you just don't care much. If you're stupid, that's one thing. But obviously, you're educated and capable because your last post was fine, just some slight grammatical irregularities.

    All the best to you.

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