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    Default Alternative to "roto-rays"

    Another thread is talking about a "roto rays". And it got me thinking about a recent artile in Firehouse magazine. It mentioned roto-rays and how in California, all public safety vehicles that go code 3 must have a solid burning, front facing red light. (no blinking)

    The reason for this state law is a solid warning device would catch a driver's eye vs. a blinking warning light that might not. Some vehicles in other states have the same option on their vehicles.

    Plus a roto-ray can hit someone (as mentioned) and draws a lot of juice. This seems to work.

    Here is a picture-

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    Default Another picture....

    Another good example to why a forward facing solid red light
    works. Some times it could be the only warning device seen
    in high speed traffic.

    Ok, back East brothers, time to slam me on this one.

    -Bou

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    Default Re: Alternative to "roto-rays"

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU

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    Does High-Beaming the driver in front of you work too?
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    Talking Well.....................

    This could be the wave of the future. Life without Roto Rays, Mars 880's, Twinsonic Lightbars, Jetsonic Lightbars, Whelen Strobe Bars, LED Lightbars, LEDs, Oscillazors, Opticoms, Beacon Rays, Random Flash Patterns, Only 1 200 amp Alternator on the Truck, compared to the Twin 800 amp units out there now. What will the NFPA* think of next.


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    On a more serious note than my last post...

    IIRC blue lights are more easily seen especially during the daytime. Is there a reason behind choosing solid red instead of solid blue?
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    Default Re: Well.....................

    Originally posted by hwoods
    This could be the wave of the future. Life without Roto Rays, Mars 880's, Twinsonic Lightbars, Jetsonic Lightbars, Whelen Strobe Bars, LED Lightbars, LEDs, Oscillazors, Opticoms, Beacon Rays, Random Flash Patterns, Only 1 200 amp Alternator on the Truck, compared to the Twin 800 amp units out there now. What will the NFPA* think of next.


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    But Chief....WHAT ABOUT THE POV'S?!!!!

    We can't have just one non-flashing light!! What will we talk about in the Volunteer Forum?!!!

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    But Chief....WHAT ABOUT THE POV'S?!!!!

    We can't have just one non-flashing light!! What will we talk about in the Volunteer Forum?!!!

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    IIRC blue lights are more easily seen especially during the daytime. Is there a reason behind choosing solid red instead of solid blue? [/B][/QUOTE]
    For some reason out here blue lights are reserved for law enforcement vehicles (and those wannabe 2 fast 2 furious punks.) Also people tend to identify law enforcement vehicles vs fire apparatus by the blue light. We are required to have a solid red light on the driver's side of the lightbar. I believe that was brought about because of a reflection issue confusing drivers in older vehicles with flat glass years ago.

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    Default Re: Re: Alternative to "roto-rays"

    Originally posted by 0ptical42


    Does High-Beaming the driver in front of you work too?
    Sorry to take the wind out of your joke, but the Engineer is
    not high-beaming the driver in front of the engine.

    This particular fire engine has "wig-wags". If you look
    closer, you will see that the right side is bright and
    left side is not so bright. The headlights alternate
    back and forth.

    Sorry, please try again next time...Bou

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    Might we suggest one of these puppies mounted on the roof for the OIC to operate.

    Just for those morons who will never see or hear the truck approaching.

    May not be PC, but people would start pulling over in a hurry.

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    I've been pusing for NFPA to add "traffic clearing missiles" and "anti drunk driver counter-measures" to the 1901 standard.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Default Re: Re: Re: Alternative to "roto-rays"

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU


    Sorry to take the wind out of your joke, but the Engineer is
    not high-beaming the driver in front of the engine.

    This particular fire engine has "wig-wags". If you look
    closer, you will see that the right side is bright and
    left side is not so bright. The headlights alternate
    back and forth.

    Sorry, please try again next time...Bou
    No worries, I was actually wondering if the right side was dimmer because of some weird photo effect or because of something else.

    What's it like driving with the wig-wags at night? I assume it can't be bad if you guys use it, but it gotta take some getting used to having ones head lights going back and forth.
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    I was thinking a "pump and roll" option with the remote controlled deck monitor for "signalling" purposes only
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    We use Wig-Wag headlight flashing systems here, and they seem to work OK. Someone mentioned Blue, I tend to think that MOST states have reserved Blue for Law Enforcement only. In Maryland, It's Blue for Law Enforcement, Red and White for Fire/Rescue/EMS, and Yellow for Service vehicles (Tow Trucks, Snowplows, Etc.) We also use some Green, usually in marker lights. You would have to look a long way to find a colored light that does not Spin, Flash, Alternate, Run, Jump, or Swim, in some fashion. I've seen the "California style" solid light, and it just doesn't fit here. No disrespect to Brothers on the West Coast, it's just a matter of local custom.
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    Default Re: Re: Re: Re: Alternative to "roto-rays"

    Originally posted by 0ptical42
    What's it like driving with the wig-wags at night? I assume it can't be bad if you guys use it, but it gotta take some getting used to having ones head lights going back and forth.
    Guess I should have given more information the first time.
    When you drive at night with the wig-wags on, your low
    beams still stay on, thus not impairing your vision or the
    ability to drive what so ever.

    A quick note- Wig wags on any vehicle have been labled
    one of the most effective vehicle warning devices avail.

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    Default Re: Well.........

    Originally posted by hwoods
    You would have to look a long way to find a colored light that does not Spin, Flash, Alternate, Run, Jump, or Swim, in some fashion. I've seen the "California style" solid light, and it just doesn't fit here. No disrespect to Brothers on the West Coast, it's just a matter of local custom.
    H- We have plenty of flashing and osculating lights here.
    State law just dicates that you have to have one
    solid red burning light some where on the front of the
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    Ive seen lots of video from California and the solid red on the front does stand out. I would think the best set up would be the solid red along with a clear strobe/flasher/Mars888 or the like.

    As for Roto-Rays, never seen one in person, just on video. They look cool, but I think they spin too fast to be effective for clearing traffic.

    As for headlight (hi-beam) flashers, they are fantastic! We have them on all our apparatus except our new engine (which has 2 clear strobes). Ive tested the effectiveness by running with them on and off. No comparison as far as clearing traffic. The only problem is here in FLA, you cant run with them after dark (and dont use them in fog

    I belive certain states dont allow headlight flashers. If that's the case in your state, go with any of the wig-wag type lights (Mars888, Federal TCL, Code3 Oscilaser). A pair of alternating clear strobes also works well. But make sure to have a kill switch. The flash back from these lights (in particular strobes)in fog or heavy rain at night is a BAD thing.

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    Bou - Our engine has the same wig-wag set up...our's also sheds all clear flashing lights when the brakes are set.
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    Default Another pic...

    Stayback...Great point. My FD's trucks shed the white
    lights as well as the Opticom.

    Here is a far better picture showing the solids red
    lights at work. Truely a great safety feature in
    addition to the flashing ones...Bou

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    I saw an old movie from the 40s took place in California. Way back then they had the steady burn red light. Thats a long time ---
    Hope it doesnt become a gasp------- tradition

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    Originally posted by slackjawedyokel
    I saw an old movie from the 40s took place in California. Way back then they had the steady burn red light. Thats a long time ---
    Hope it doesnt become a gasp------- tradition

    Nope...just a law. Not tradition.

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    The white lights turning off is an NFPA thing. When truck is in the "blocking mode" (ie, on scene), the white lights have to shut off. This is generally accomplished with a switch on the parking brake. Sometimes there is an override switch if you want to turn them back on for whatever reason.
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    Originally posted by nmfire
    The white lights turning off is an NFPA thing. When truck is in the "blocking mode" (ie, on scene), the white lights have to shut off. This is generally accomplished with a switch on the parking brake.
    Not in Maryland. The Maryland Fire Chief's Association (of which I am the Legislative Committee Chairman) Went to the State Legislature and lobbied for, and got, a law that prohibits such devices. Only the Driver or Officer of a Fire or Rescue vehicle may make the determination of what lights may be turned off and when.
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