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    Default Lightbar recomendation needed

    I need to find a couple of lightbars.

    Where is the best prices?

    What is a good low profile full sized lightbar?

    What brand, does it matter?

    These are for an F550 brush/quick attack unit, picture to follow.

    Needs to be:

    - Cheap! Less then 1000 for sure, less the better.

    - Flood or worklights built in would be great. Never can have to much light.

    - Probly strobe. LED to much $$$, Halogen not as good as strobe.

    I dont remember the last time we bought a light bar, things have changed a LOT.

    Thanks for the input, much appreciated.
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    Here is an example of the unit we are looking for lightbars for. Mostly the same except ours are Red F550 with big bumper/grill gaurd.

    We want to mount the lightbar on the headach rack to avoid putting holes in the cab roof.
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    Oh, and also, what about LEDs by the inch?

    Those little cubes with 4 LEDs on them.

    I was thinking of using those for compartment lights and to help fill out the NFPA compliant lighting package which seems to have lights everywhere now days.

    Are they any good?
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    I have a link for you. This site is a forum for lights & related items. There are many dealers & installers on there who will be happy to offer many options.
    http://www.elightbars.org/mb/thread_list.asp?forumid=0&

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    Default MX7000

    I hope this thread can help you and wont get "lightbar
    crazy".

    Since you asked, I like the MX7000. They are very reliable,
    bright and put up a good warning pattern. Also, you can
    add scene lights aka "take down" lights to all 4 sides and
    add an arrow stick. They are very popualr out here on the
    West coast. LA County/City, Orange County and Ventura Co.
    only put these on their units.

    Here is your factory link-
    The Factory Link

    You will find some at www.ebay.com.

    A note- I am NOT some lightbar junky. I buy what works.
    Why? I simply dont want to end up in court because some
    one hit me on a fire truck.



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    Default Part 2.

    Also, the best bet with the MX7000 is the Unitrol
    Touchmaster siren controller. Some retailers
    sell the lightbar and Touchmaster as a package.

    Here is a picture-
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    i personally like the Federal Signal vector lightbar, 7 rotating lights in a v pattern so it throws lots of light forward to the sides and the rear. the one we have is very bright and equals some of the strobe bars i've seen. there are lots of options that you can get with this light bar, i think you can even get the side pods to work as alley lights. the code 3 MX7000 as mentioned before is also an excellent bar.

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    Whelen 9M Series Light bar.
    http://shop.store.yahoo.com/sirennet/new9meigstro.html

    We have one of these on our EMS Quick Response Unit. Ours included the Front Clear flashers (Center lights) & Take down lights as well as clear alley lights on each side.

    I'm not 100% sure if this is where I found ours because it's been so long ago, but the internet store we bought from sold the light bar cheaper than the up-fitter we were using could buy it (so the up-fitter agreed to buy the light bar from our source thus saving us some $$)



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    Default Re: Lightbar recomendation needed

    Originally posted by SamsonFCDES
    I need to find a couple of lightbars.

    Where is the best prices?

    What is a good low profile full sized lightbar?

    What brand, does it matter?

    These are for an F550 brush/quick attack unit, picture to follow.

    Needs to be:

    - Cheap! Less then 1000 for sure, less the better.

    - Flood or worklights built in would be great. Never can have to much light.

    - Probly strobe. LED to much $$$, Halogen not as good as strobe.

    I dont remember the last time we bought a light bar, things have changed a LOT.

    Thanks for the input, much appreciated.


    For the dollar amount you want to spend, you are NOT going to get a good or a new light bar. You may find an old one laying around that met the standards of years ago for the price you would like to pay. If you are looking to get something like these guys have shown you in these nice photos, you need to get off of some more money dude. They don't come cheap.

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    For fire trucks I think the main light bar being all strobes looks tacky. We use a Street Hawk. The thing is a battle axe. It is backed up by alot of strobes in the back where they count.

    We were considering going to LED's and talked a few PD's and a ambulance service and they dont like them. At night its hard to tell they are flashing because they just look red. And during the day...........forget it.

    For strobes though the Jet Strobe is a favorite of mine that we use also. Its got really nice alley and take downs.
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    Default Re: Re: Lightbar recomendation needed

    Originally posted by allineedisu
    For the dollar amount you want to spend, you are NOT going to get a good or a new light bar. You may find an old one laying around that met the standards of years ago for the price you would like to pay. If you are looking to get something like these guys have shown you in these nice photos, you need to get off of some more money dude. They don't come cheap.
    And the last time you bought a light bar was ??
    If you had clicked the dealer link I provided, you'd see the base model 8 Strobe bar is only $860 with free shipping through the end of the month. Granted to meet SamsonFCDES's requirements they would have to add the Alley Lights & Take Down Lights but those still shouldn't push the price above the 1K mark.

    Trust me - We built the Tahoe you see above light by light and after getting quotes from 2 Major Up-fitters and a couple of smaller companies, we ended up getting all the components (minus the radios & Cell Phone we supplied) and the electrical work done cheaper than one company wanted just for the components.

    Warning lights are not cheap by any means but you do not have to spend a fortune if you shop around.

    FWIW - the Tahoe above was completed turn key for under $50K (we already had the EMS supplies & Radio Equipment).
    That includes:
    - The base chassis & chassis upgrades (larger V6, towing prep. pkg. skid plates, dual batteries)
    - Aftermarket Hitch receiver & wiring (incl. installation)
    - Rhino Aftermarket Bull Bar (incl. installation)
    - Front Console
    - Console Map Light
    - Console Switch panel w/ illuminated Switches & Back lit Legends
    - Rear Cabinetry (Custom Designed by us)
    - On Board Battry Charger
    - Auto Eject Shoreline plug
    - All Lettering & Striping incl. the VA state required 4" Reflective Stripe (it's white & runs along the base of the body)
    - Warning Package
    * 8 Strobe Light Bar w/ Alley Lights, Halogen Flashers (Front & Rear), and Take Down Lights
    * 8 Strobes in the body (2 Each side, 2 Rear, and 2 on the push bar)
    * 4 Hide Away Strobes in the Front & Rear Parking Lights
    * 2 Mini LED flashers on the rear windows mounted & wired to flash to the rear of the unit when the rear doors are open
    * Headlight flashers (w/ VA required override)
    * 1 SVP SA-441 Magnum Siren Control Head & 2 100 Watt speakers
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    Stephen, Good Job. The lightbars on Maryland's Forestry Units are the same as on the Tahoe. Samson, do you have any way of contacting your County Sheriff's Office, Highway Patrol, Etc. to see if anyone could donate any lighting equipment and/or sirens.
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    We use a 1999 Chevy 3500 for our grass/brush truck with an all light MX 7000. It has the 3 fast rotators, 2 standard rotators, 2 flashers in front with 2 in back, arrowstick, alley and takedown lights. If you look around on the net you can find the same set up used for as little as $500. We were lucky enough to get ours for free but with the high quality of it we would have gladly paid 700-800 for it.

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    Just did some checking and Galls has the Smart Vector lightbar for just over 1000 bucks, which means if you do some shopping around you could get it for just under a 1000, another lightbar that i forgot about is the Whelen Edge once again just at the 1000 mark. if you want something good and new your gonna need to spend some money. we have found some decent bars from the highway patrol and surplus but most of them needed some work before putting them into service.

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    Default Lightbars...

    When it comes to lightbars, go to the experts...

    The Explorer/Juniors section.

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    Default Re: Lightbars...

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU
    When it comes to lightbars, go to the experts...

    The Explorer/Juniors section.
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    Default Re: Re: Lightbars...

    Originally posted by hwoods


    Everyone likes a little a.. Nobody likes a smart a..
    I was going to suggest posting this in the Volunteer section. And before you accuse me of being a smart a.., I'm a dumb a..

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    Default Ok, serious again...

    Sorry about that. I got a little sideways there,
    but had to do it.

    Ok- I wanted to say that it sounds like Sampson has
    a small operation. With that in mind, there are
    plenty of lightbars on ebay.

    I am sure he can get what he wants there...Bou

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    For the money, I don't think you can really beat the MX7000, although I prefer strobes or LEDs.......

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    It might be wise to buy a lightbar that meets NFPA specifications for Zone A Upper. I don't much about other manufacturers NFPA bars but I know whelen has a large selection of pre-configured NFPA bars.

    As for what I would want for a minimum...

    No less than four red strobes facing front and rear. Two white to the front and two amber strobes or LED's to the rear. Fill in the additional space with takedowns and worklights. Don't waste your money on a traffic advisor, the deer don't know what it means.

    Keep a careful eye on how many amps the thing will draw compared to how much is a available on the truck. A stock alternator is not going to be happy with a fully loaded halogen rotator bar coupled with other lights, radios, etc etc.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Default Lightbar 101

    Step #1. Buy lightbar.

    Step #2. Install lightbar.

    Step #3. See fireresq77's mini-me in the road,
    run him over. Note- Might have to back up and
    re-run him over a few times to get the job
    done.

    Step #4. Turn on lightbar, lights flashy, done.
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    Default Re: Lightbar 101

    Hope you don't mind, but I have my own little version.......


    Step #1. Buy lightbar.

    Step #2. Install lightbar.

    Step #3. See Bou's ugly Helmet, RUN IT OVER!!. Note- No need to do it multiple times. It's plastic so it will break into tiny little pieces once your tire touches it.

    Step #4. Turn on lightbar, lights flashy, done.

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    Bou, LMAO!!!

    Personally I like rotor halogen bars, simple, easy to "repair" when a bulb goes out. Also less back flash in fog or snow, although once you stop moving strobes are visible further away in poor visibility.

    We've got an 8 unit Vector on our pumper, thing is so bright you could turn the head lights out at night and not miss a thing. Thus far is been reliable, but they do draw a fair bit of current. $819 at Galls


    I really like the mix Haligen/Strobe StreetHawk. Its very affordable, provides good all around light. $850 at Galls


    I have to disagree with stm4710 about LED's. The State Police and a few local PDs are using them now and I can't believe how bright they are. Our newest ambulance has all LED secondary lighting and its very nice. The new generation of all LED bars are amazing, low current draw, strobe or halagen like patterns available, and very low profile but you can't touch a full sized for much less than $1500.


    Strobes draw a little less power than halogen, but I have found we have problems with them and tubes are much more expensive then incandesent bulbs. Whelen Edge 8 strobe is $930 at Galls
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    Default Re: Re: Lightbar 101

    Originally posted by firenresq77
    Hope you don't mind, but I have my own little version.......


    Step #1. Buy lightbar.

    Step #2. Install lightbar.

    Step #3. See Bou's ugly Helmet, RUN IT OVER!!. Note- No need to do it multiple times. It's plastic so it will break into tiny little pieces once your tire touches it.

    Step #4. Turn on lightbar, lights flashy, done.
    Thats not funny. I dont like your version. Seriously, I saw
    a fire engine run over a Phenix helmet and it got squished
    half way down. Not bad for a super huge engine.

    Also, A female recruit at the LA City Fire fell off of the
    tower with her Phenix. She landed square on her head and the
    helmet stayed intact along with the bones in her UPPER body.
    Everything below the waist was smashed.

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