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    Default Lifeguards, are they professionals too??

    This is a little something that has kinda erked me for a while. I have seen many news stories that would be worthy of at least some sort of FH.com coverage, but recieved none, due to the fact that they happened to have been lifeguard stories. For example, I posted a thread realating to a lifeguard who was killed in a MVC not far from my home county. This story didnt even make the Florida News section. However, a 911 dispatcher that was killed in an MVC recieved front page status. This is nothing against the dispatcher, however, I just wish the lifeguard was provided the same respect, beyond what the locals offered. There have been Lifeguard LODDs that I have not even show up ANYWHERE on FH.com. EMS professionals are listed as LODDs, even they may not even work for an Fire Dept, while Lifeguards, many of whom are under the FD, are not afforded such coverage. I relize I may be ranting, but I would just like to see the same coverage afforded to my big brothers who are Firefighters apply to my Lifeguard brothers.
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    Do I get a LODD email from firehouse when a cop dies,NO! Do I get a LODD email from Masscops when a firefighter dies,NO!

    Lifeguards, many of whom are under the FD, are not afforded such coverage.
    I may live a shelterd life but I have never seen a life gaurd remotely connected to the fire department accept by dialing 911.

    If there were a "lifegaurds.com" Im sure you would get what your asking for.
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    Just for you Jesse, http://oceancityfire.com/OCBP/OCBP.htm
    Front page of FH.com says:Firefighting, RESCUE and EMS. Lifeguards would def. fit under Rescue and /or EMS, as many are CFR, EMT or Paramedics, and they dont just do water rescues.

    PS, I dont see police/LEOs ANYWHERE on FH.com
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    Originally posted by stm4710
    I may live a shelterd life but I have never seen a life gaurd remotely connected to the fire department accept by dialing 911.
    The Los Angeles County Fire Department Lifeguard Division is responsible for providing lifeguard services for public beaches and coastal areas of Los Angeles County. The Department deploys 120 full-time and 600 seasonal lifeguards operating out of three headquarters located in Hermosa, Santa Monica, and Zuma Beach. They are responsible for 76 miles of coastline including 31 miles of public beach. In addition to providing beach safety, Los Angeles County Lifeguards provide rescue boat operations, underwater rescue and recovery, swift-water rescue, cliff rescue, marine mammal rescue and marine firefighting. They also provide paramedic and rescue boat services to Catalina Island, operating from Avalon and the Isthmus.

    Pismo Beach, California
    Lifeguards are members of the Pismo Beach Fire Department. Lifeguards are hired on a seasonal basis and may work from Memorial Day weekend through Labor Day weekend. The lifeguards protect the 1.5-mile stretch of beach with four lifeguard towers and a patrol vehicle. Lifeguards are supervised by a Head Lifeguard who reports directly to the Lifeguard Coordinator, on-duty Fire Captain or the Battalion Chief. Seasonal staffing consists of approximately 20 lifeguards.

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    No stm, not a sheltered life. There are "some" lifeguards that are part of Fire Departments, but I would bet the majority are not. Is it changing...yes, for some areas. Follow the OC link above, it took them 103 years before they became part of their FD.
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    Wells Beach, Maine: the Wells Beach Lifeguard Service is a division of the Wells Fire Department.

    There's 3!
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    Huh,look at that. I learn something new everyday.
    I had always seen private lifegaurds or they were employed the recreation department if they were municipal.
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    5. Ocean City FD/BP, and 6. Brevard County Fire/Ocean Rescue.
    But back on the topic, do you out there, consider lifeguards to be Public Safety Professionals, and should they be afforded LODD rights?
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    Just what rights are you talking about?
    The story you saw was just another guy that died in a MVC. St Charles had a FF die in a crash not long ago and it didn't make the news.

    Are lifeguards professionals, yes, I was a certified lifeguard at one time and it is much harder and stressful then it looks. Should they get federal death benifits? I don't know, if I had some numbers to ref then I could make a more educated choice. We are different then cops or lifeguards or whatever. The brotherhood runs deep and we look after each other. I don't remember that brotherhood at the waterpark where I worked.

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    A-16 beat me too it. The LA County Fire Department employs full-time, professional LIFEGUARDS and LIFEGUARD/PARAMEDICS. Here is their official
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    http://www.lacofd.org/lg_home.htm






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    Default Re: Lifeguards, are they professionals too??

    Originally posted by BLSboy
    a lifeguard who was killed in a MVC not far from my home county. This story didnt even make the Florida News section. However, a 911 dispatcher that was killed in an MVC recieved front page status.
    What the heck is a MVC?

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    Motor Vehicle Crash

    It is the new term for MVA. (their are no accidents)

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    if the lifeguard belongs to an official organization, like LA, Yes.

    if its like where I live, the lifeguards here are mostly teenagers with just ARC CPR and water rescue and think they know everything, in this case, No.
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    I`m sorry, I should have been a bit more specific. When I said LODD benefits, I was refering to either full-time lifeguards, or lifeguards that are under a Fire Dept. I can look at the USLA web page to find statitics on Lifeguard LODDs. I am asking this question because, if something were to happen to me when I become a FD Lifeguard, I want to know that my family/significant other will be taken care of.
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    Originally posted by ADSNWFLD
    Motor Vehicle Crash

    It is the new term for MVA. (their are no accidents)
    You mean people are crashing on purpose now? How silly... The nation surely is in trouble!

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    Here in Asbury Park, NJ, we are working toward moving the Life Guards under the umbrella of the Fire Dept.

    I also think the most famous life guard in the world works for the LACoFD.

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    I only know of one dept. in my county that the lifeguards are actualy on the payroll and answer to the chain of command of the FD. However most of the lifeguard "squads?" do work closely with their local FD. We work very close with our lifeguards, most of the time our patients are packaged up before our arrival. We are also in the process of having all of the career members of the FD become USLA cert. lifeguards. We get in the water fairly often in the fall when most of the guards have made their way back to college, or even after hours in the summer. As far as wether LODD of lifeguards should be posted here, I have nothing against it however as stated above I don't see PD LODD's posted here. I don't think it has anything to do w/ lack of respect, just not a lot of exposure into these different fields of public safety on these forums.

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    Originally posted by UsingAllHands
    You mean people are crashing on purpose now? How silly... The nation surely is in trouble!
    not on purpose, but rather, the collision didn't occur by accident. someone messed up. to say it is an accident means that it just happened, while usually the case is that it was preventable.

    but back to the topic at hand, I see lifeguards are professionals, yes, but for the same reason why you don't have tow truck drivers listed in LODD. the vast majority of life guards are not members of a fire department. if they are members of a FD (Like LACoFD), then i'm sure you would get full benefits. if not, then probably not.

    as for tow truck drivers, NYPD does have tow trucks, and they do tow cars. doesn't mean that all tow truck drivers should get LODD benefits?

    however, if a person is in the water, then absolutely then a lifeguard is a professional, and if a lifeguard is treating a person (who is still in the water), 99.999% of the time I will sit back and let them do their thing. after all, it's what they are trained in. once they are taken out of the water though, they should be turned over to EMS.

    now, if a lifeguard is first on scene at an MVC, and is killed, is it a LODD? if he's driving to/from work in his POV and is killed, should it be considered a LODD? should a tow truck driver? what about a Public Service Electric and Gas employee who responds to electrical emergencies? I'm not trying to downplay lifeguards, but where do u draw the line in LODD?
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    No, when I say LODD, it should be in the same criteria as other LODDs, such as responding to, returning from, or in the execution of an emergency. Also, if the should become injured or killed while in duty. Like I posted before, only full-time, or Fire Dept. Lifeguards should be included. Part-time private, or parks and rec. Lifeguards should be included in certain circumstances. I would like to know the real rule about this, if anyone has info on it.
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    Originally posted by DrParasite


    not on purpose, but rather, the collision didn't occur by accident. someone messed up. to say it is an accident means that it just happened, while usually the case is that it was preventable.

    So who was the mastermind behind calling MVA's MVC's, and under what authority was this terminology changed? How long has this been the case? I certainly never heard of this until now, nor have any of the dispatchers or other firefighters I work with. Why wasn't I allowed to vote on this? Will we be receiving some notification or other directive informing us of such? And by what date is the changover supposed to be complete? I want answers, dammit!

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