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    Default Firefighters- Cant catch a break lately?

    Brothers- I have watching the headlines at FH.com for the
    last few days. Most of the national headlines are negative.

    From the porn scandals here (guess we Cali boys like skin)
    to driving drunk to hitting buildings to arson, I wonder
    if we need a vacation or ???

    I am not trying to be negative here, maybe we need
    something? Take a break? Peer counciling? A beer?

    I dont know. How about a group hug, then we can
    re-group? Maybe someone can splash up some more
    positive headlines. I liked the "Man give dog CPR"
    one- thanks webteam!

    Ok, I am done. Slam me or give me the thumbs up.
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    Default hmmmmm

    These headlines are also on the front page


    Man Trapped After Ditch Collapses; N.Y. State Firefighters Perform Intense Four-Hour Rescue

    Australian FF Dies Attempting To Save Boy Trapped in Blaze

    Shreveport, La. Fire Department Opens Stations to Victims of Abuse


    I guess it depends on what you are looking for. Now I have said my piece, I need to call a friend in Australia who lost a brother that was trying to save a child's life.
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    Default True...

    True bro. I am not really looking for anything. Just the
    nasty ones caught my eye.

    It looks like the driving drunk thing is continious. It
    wont go away.

    But anyways. I just thought I would throw it out there...

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    Thumbs down Media

    I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the media itself loves a good negative story. Just catches the eye more than the touchy feely stuff. Seeing as how most of those stories are from local newspapers and such, I suppose the local writers care more about how many readers they get than who they trash. Just my opinion...

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    Default Re: Media

    Originally posted by PVFDFF03
    I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the media itself loves a good negative story. Just catches the eye more than the touchy feely stuff. Seeing as how most of those stories are from local newspapers and such, I suppose the local writers care more about how many readers they get than who they trash. Just my opinion...
    Pretty good point bro. I think you hit it on the head.

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    Reporters are only going to put the story out. If they do not know about the good stuff they can not put it out there.This is where a good Public Information Officer comes in to play.Call him the spin doctor if he can get negative stories and put a positive spin on them.Our public image is what we put out there, so maybe we need to stop doing stupid stuff and do the right thing.

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    I can't discount what PVFDFF03 and superchef pointed out- they both have perfectly valid observations.

    A few of my own thoughts:
    - Firefighters have been thrust center-stage in our society, to a huge extent by FDNY's actions on 9/11/01. to be honest, I think the fire service has enjoyed and maybe even encouraged this.
    - Our society seems to be hungry for heroes, or icons. FF's fit the bill for many people. society then expects their "heroes/icons" to behave in certain ways. Above and beyond, if you will.
    - Our society also reacts quite viciously when they see a hero fall.
    - FF's are only human, with human failings. FF's are part and parcel of society, so it figures that many will be afflicted to some degree with the usual assortment of ills afflicting society as a whole- divorce, alcohol abuse, drunk driving, salacious behavior. due to the mental, physical, and emotional stress that comes with being a full-time FF (and to a lesser extent even volly's) these may even be exaggerated in the FF population.
    - When one (or more) of our brothers "falls", it will tend to make news, as society tends to feel betrayed. Thus you get a spate of negative publicity after one of these incidents. Very much like when Mary Kate or Ashley (who the hell knows) goes into rehab.

    Not to purposefully pick on a particular occupation, but suppose everytime a bricklayer got convicted of DUI, or every time an accountant gets caught in the girlie bar, it made the headlines? I believe the newspapers would be too huge to pick up.

    I'm not trying to excuse the behavior of some of our bretheren, being at a "porn ball" while on duty is inexcusable. Drunk driving, the same.

    OK, I've rambled on long enough.
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    I think we all need to get our head our of our rear and think before we act. Because the media is going to jump on a story about a firefighter messing up with both feet.

    We also need to use "common sense", don't let someone you know go and be an idiot and do something that will give the fire service a black eye. I know one of those guys in Sacremento should of figured out what might happen and voiced that it was not a good idea.

    All I know is more people are complaining about Leary's character drinking on the job, than are trying to stop some of the headlines on FH. Wow what was Leary thinking???? Where did he get that from.....ohh thats right just read any paper and you will have a 50/50 chance of reading about a drunk firefighter driving a truck . We are our own worst enemy!

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    I agree with JT. People are always looking for heros and they are disappointed when they see that their heros are only human. I have always disliked it when the label hero is applied to firefighters. I prefer to be looked on as a professional (paid or volunteer) who is there to help others at their time of greatest need. I also view us as lucky to have one of the greatest jobs in the world. Few jobs can give you such an adrenalin rush and such emotional extremes. Such extremes impact different people in different ways. Some deal with it better than others. My point is we're all human.

    My second point is that this website gives a very distorted impression. By bringing all of these stories together in one location, Firehouse does a great service by providing us access to fire service news that we would never hear about. How many of these stories were in your local paper this week? How many of these stories were on the TV news in your city. This forum provides an opportunity to learn from the mistakes of others. That in itself is very valuable.

    Finally, when I teach a Fire Service Instructor class, I always caution my students on reading too much into evaluations. I tell them they are never as good as the "good" evaluations say they are and they are probably not as bad as the "bad" evaluations claim. Maybe the same advice could be applied to some of the stories in the media.

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    Default Re: Media

    Originally posted by PVFDFF03
    I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the media itself loves a good negative story. Just catches the eye more than the touchy feely stuff. Seeing as how most of those stories are from local newspapers and such, I suppose the local writers care more about how many readers they get than who they trash. Just my opinion...
    Although I know a lot of firefighters that think reporters are motivated by "selling papers," I don't know a lot of beat writers who are concerned about their paper's circulation. Most are just worried about meeting deadline.

    I also think you missed the mark when you commented about the media loving a negative story. Generally speaking, media outlets don't look to be negative. They just look for what's news. So, what is news? For the most part, something becomes news because it is out of the ordinary or when it is of overwhelming interest to the masses.

    "When a dog bites a man, that is not news,
    because it happens so often. But if a man bites
    a dog, that is news." - John Bogart"


    Firefighters drop what they're doing and go to the rescue of citizens every day. It's what the people expect from us. Thus, it is not news. However, it's not everyday (hopefully) that firefighters drive drunk or start fires or become involved in porn scandals. And stories such as those aren't reported because they're negative but because they aren't common. They perfectly represent "man bites dog."

    Finally, as much as I hate to see "negative" stories about the fire service... I'd hate it even more to know that my fellow firefighters would rather cover up those stories. Don't be agitated at the reporters who are just doing their job. Be upset with the idiot firefighters who are out there that are driving drunk, lighting fires and visiting porn parties. Remember the phrase... "Don't shoot the messenger."

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    Default Re: Firefighters- Cant catch a break lately?

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU
    Brothers- I have watching the headlines at FH.com for the last few days. Most of the national headlines are negative.

    From the porn scandals here (guess we Cali boys like skin) to driving drunk to hitting buildings to arson, I wonder if we need a vacation or ???

    I am not trying to be negative here, maybe we need something? Take a break? Peer counciling? A beer?
    Highlights mine. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

    Remember that, as HM604OH pointed out, these stories are concentrated here for your reading displeasure. I'll bet most of your local newspapers (and I include big ones like the Washington Post, which I read) almost never carry a story about a drunk FF or apparatus accident from another state.

    Also, consider that most news has come online only fairly recently. Such stories can now be picked up automatically at little cost. That makes it easier to gather them together and cause an apparent uptick in bad news.

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    Default WHOA!!

    Sorry about that contradiction there. When I say have a beer,
    I hope most people know it is OFF DUTY and not driving a
    fire apparatus.

    Side note- I dont know of this matters much or not, I
    only drink beer once in awhile. (1 a month, at home)

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    Default Re: WHOA!!

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU
    Side note- I dont know of this matters much or not, I
    only drink beer once in awhile. (1 a month, at home)
    Under parental supervision and for medicinal purposes only?

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