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    Question Need help from FDNY

    My small fire department answered a call for a woman stuck in an elevator today because of a power outage. It is the only elevator in town. The firefighters did know to shut off the power first. They then used a pry bar to open the doors and get the woman out.

    I seem to remember a web site that had procedures for FDNY covering all types of things. I would guess that FDNY does this all the time so if someone could direct me to a site that outlines procedures for elevator rescue it would be most helpful. I'm retired but the assistant chief asked me for advice and I said I would check.

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    When ever possible, Up and Out, NOT Down and Out.

    Anyone wanna tell him why?

    BTW, good training videos for a good cause:
    http://www.nyffburncenter.com/totalorderform.htm
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    Originally posted by E229Lt
    When ever possible, Up and Out, NOT Down and Out.

    Anyone wanna tell him why?

    BTW, good training videos for a good cause:
    http://www.nyffburncenter.com/totalorderform.htm
    Lt.,

    Do you have any info on any of those training videos? Such as their length, etc. I am looking to buy a couple (such as forcible entry), as they are very reasonably priced. Thanks.

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    Answer(?) If the elevator falls, when going down and out, it could hit victim and rescuer(s).
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    Originally posted by E229Lt
    When ever possible, Up and Out, NOT Down and Out.

    Anyone wanna tell him why?

    BTW, good training videos for a good cause:
    http://www.nyffburncenter.com/totalorderform.htm
    I know, I know. (from experience.) My first semester of college, getting tour of library. Stupid professor said we could get entire class in the levator, way over the weight limit. Got stuck. Maintenance came, opened the door, half way between floor 3 and 4. Used a stool to have the students step down on to get to floor 3. Stool kicked out on one of the students, and she fell back into the shaft. Was caught by another student, who was able to pull her out.

    I have some of the tapes. Well worth the money, which goes to a good cause.

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    I have some of the tapes. Well worth the money, which goes to a good cause.
    To reitirate erics99's post... Could someone please post futher information about the videos available from the burn center? There seems to be no synopses or other details about the tapes available. I'm especially curious about the elevator tape.

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    We only open an elevator car's doors as a last resort when between floors.

    Most of the time you can lower the car level with the lower floor. Open up the outer doors with the elevator key, hit the lever or the inner doors and you're in.

    No need for ladders, pry bars or other tools, just an elevator door key.

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    Answer(?) If the elevator falls, when going down and out, it could hit victim and rescuer(s).
    Nope

    Stool kicked out on one of the students, and she fell back into the shaft.
    A secondary concern, but not what we're looking for. 25% credit.

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    Originally posted by E229Lt


    Nope



    A secondary concern, but not what we're looking for. 25% credit.
    Attempting to further my own knowledge, is it because you dont want to be working around an open shaft? To great a risk of falling down it yourself?
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    Smile Thanks, so far

    The department has a key to control the elevator, i.e. turn the power off or operate it separate from the floor buttons but they do not have a door key. What does a door key look like, how does it work and where should it be kept?

    Thanks and stay safe,

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    Your best bet is to find out the various types of elevators in your area, then contact a mechanic and drill with him on the best way to open the doors, what keys to do. We deal with project elevators on a daily basis, and can get people out often within seconds, but we would have a harder time with some of the elevators in midtown office buildings, whereas the midtown guys would have little trouble.
    It really depends on your response area.

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    If they are the same videos from a few years back, OK about 10 years back, they are great. ELEVATOR EMERGENCIES is a bit dull but has some good info.
    Have they been updated?
    Even if they are the old ones we have in out library they are great.
    FE is especially good it sumarizes the entire set of Fire engineering tapes in about 20 minutes.
    Some real hip music also in the old tapes.

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    Question Artie whats the answer ?

    the only 2 places we have an elevator is the Jr High/High school (3 stories) and a 3 story Marriott hotel.......what is the answer ? in my 17 years on we have never had a person stuck in an elevator.
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    Here's what a typical set of elevator keys looks like: http://www.edarley.com/darley/itm_img/AC820.jpg

    The L-shaped key in the center is the one to open the doors. You stick the end through the small hole towards the top of the door and then you can release the door mechanism.

    We keep ours on our rescue truck as it responds to all elevator rescue calls.

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    what is the answer ?
    The answer is a question: Which way do elevators fall?

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    down ....... with gravity..........
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    Taking a person up and out prevents them from falling down the shaft if they should lose their footing after geting out of the elevator. If you have to take them down and out, you must protect or barricade the shaft opening.
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    down ....... with gravity..........
    Incorrect!

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    They don't fall, they have safety's on them. You can cut the cables to the counterweights and they still won't fall.
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    WELL TELL US ALREADY!!!!

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