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    What is the typical hoseload on an FDNY engine? Do they use LDH? I had heard they were using 3 1/2" hose. Is that correct?

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    Yes they use 3.5 inch hose...Key Hose makes it...but its not "stocked"...only custom made. The Satelite Companies carry the 5 inch hose.
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    FDNY engine comapnies carry at least 10 sections of 3.5" supply hose. They also carry two beds of 2.5" hose, one with a 2.5" nozzle and the other with a leader of 1.75" hose with a 15/16" solid bore. They can't use more than six lengths of 1.75" hose on the end of the line. They also have a front bumper pre-connect. If a rig has the fourth bed in the back, they usually have that as a second 2.5" line. All the beds are loaded left to right on each layer so you can advance a section of hose by sticking your arm in from the right for each layer.

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    Here is a typical hose load from an FDNY Engine. I posted on an earlier thread regarding hose loads. Search for it. None of these hoses are preconnected. The one on the left is 3 1/2hose. The next two are the secondary and Primary beds. They are each 6th lengths of 1 3/4 hose finished off with 10 lenghts of 2 1/2 hose. The last bed on the right is 12 lenghts of 2 1/2 hose. All have smooth bore nozzles attached. For the 1 3/4 there is 15/16s tip and a 1 1/8th on the 2 1/2.

    There is a 100ft in the bumper for car and trash/debris fire.

    Also there is 35 ft of 5 inch hose in the front bumper used for connection to hydrants. As well as 1 small conection (soft suction). Hard suction in addition to the 3 1/2 inch.

    Our hose for standpipes is 4 individually folded lengths of 2 1/2 hose kept under the hard suction and small connection.

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    FFFred, what about the squad pumpers that have only 3 beds? Do they just loose one of the 1 3/4-2.5" loads?
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    are FDNY hose loads standard on all engines and squads, or do they change it up per company? what would be some other examples of hose loads? thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by stingerfire View Post
    are FDNY hose loads standard on all engines and squads, or do they change it up per company? what would be some other examples of hose loads? thanks
    Wow this is an old one.

    Yes they are generally standard on all Engines.

    On all Engines there are 4 beds.
    • 1-3 1/2
    • 1- 2 1/2
    • 2- 2 1/2 finished with 1 3/4 (one primary and one secondary)

    The variations are:

    For squads which don't have a secondary 1 3/4.

    Highrise and Staten Island Engines (more pump piping, larger tank respectively) each have smaller hose beds with fewer lengths.

    Other than that each company sets their hose up to work for their general areas the best.

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    You can purchase high quality 5"Sx100' for $550.
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    7.2.5 Pursuant to the requirements determined by the Bureau of Operations, each engine company should maintain a minimum of (20) twenty lengths of 1 3/4 inch, (30) thirty lengths of 2 1/2 inch and (10) ten lengths of 3 1/2 inch hose. This includes hose for winter operations, standpipe operations and replacement lengths stored in quarters as well as that which is carried in the apparatus hose beds. Greater amounts of hose may be carried by specific units depending upon the individual units requirements.

    7.12 HOSE LOADING
    7.12.1 Conditions vary in individual response areas throughout the city. Division, battalion and company commanders shall consult and agree on the hose loading method and the number of lengths that will best suit the needs of each response district.

    7.12.2 The typical hose load has:
    One bed of 3 1/2 inch hose.
    One bed of 2 1/2 inch hose.
    Two beds with lead lengths of 1 3/4 inch hose coupled to 2 1/2 inch hose to
    finish out the load.

    7.12.3 No more than six lengths of 1 3/4 inch hose shall be used as lead lengths in any hose stretch. Greater friction loss in 1 3/4 inch hose precludes the use of more lengths without the danger of exceeding the maximum permissible working pressure of 250 psi.

    7.12.4 When loading hose, fold it neatly, compactly and uniformly. Loading hose correctly allows the hose to play out properly and at the same time indicates to the public and to the Department, the state of supervision and spirit of the company.

    7.12.5 When folding hose, avoid old bends since repeated bending in the same spot leads to kinking and to cracking of the rubber lining.

    7.12.6 Do not permit the hose to lie over on its edge.

    7.12.7 Loading the hose in the hose bed.
    A. Load hose from left to right.
    B. Start hose loading with the coupling extended beyond the hose bed.
    C. Lay the hose straight back to the left rear of the compartment.
    D. Fold the hose at the rear and bring it about halfway forward on top of itself.
    E. At this halfway point, veer the hose slightly to the right so as to come
    alongside of the first fold.
    F. Repeat the movement back and forth moving from left to right. Upon
    completing the first layer, fold the hose at the right rear side and cross diagonally to the left front side, and repeat until the hose loading is complete.
    G. Hose folds are made several inches beyond the edge of the hose bed for
    ease in grasping and removing. Keep folded ends even.
    H. Avoid folding hose too close to the coupling.
    I. To insure the hose lies flat on the bed, avoid twisting the hose when
    coupling it.
    J. Do not force extra fold across the width, since this will interfere with
    removal.
    K. Each individual length of hose shall be disconnected and drained prior to
    reloading. When reloading, each length of hose shall be reconnected just
    prior to reaching the hose bed. Do not preconnect lengths of hose prior to
    reaching the hose bed or while they lay in the street. This ensures proper
    drainage of the hose and prevents ice formation during freezing weather.

    7.12.8 Some companies load one or more lengths of 1 3/4 inch hose in a horseshoe. This is formed by placing the hose on edge and folding the hose back and forth in the shape of a horseshoe. The horseshoe permits ease in grasping and stretching and ensures exactly one length of hose is removed.

    7.12.9 Company commanders shall establish a method whereby a length of 3 1/2 inch hose can be stretched from either side of the apparatus in the event a hydrant hookup with a standard hydrant connection is not feasible.
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    good stuff ,, i was reading a different forum where someone said they use 3 1/2 inch line and connect it to the 2 1/2 inch line in one bed. is that true or is that a company thing, thanks.

    also what is the size of hose used on the front bumer trash line thanks
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    [QUOTE=stingerfire;973229]good stuff ,, i was reading a different forum where someone said they use 3 1/2 inch line and connect it to the 2 1/2 inch line in one bed. is that true or is that a company thing, thanks.



    also what is the size of the trash line used on the front bumper thanks

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