Bridgeport hiring felons Heats up for the bad

[ljm]

What are some jobs you guys think a felon is better suited for?

I'm going to say jobs that do not involve going into a stranger's home, where the people are entrusting an individual (or group of individuals) to respect their privacy, property and the law.

I find it pretty crazy that there is actually an argument about a person with a felony conviction vs a person with out...who cares if the person with out the conviction "MIGHT" have committed a felony, their true values will come out at some point...but the person with the felony conviction has meet the burden of proof...period.

[Acklan]

I'm beginning to think that "FirefighterBo" isn't actually a firefighter but someone who wants to be one and has some form of a felony conviction... based on his record of posts and subject matter...

To quote a great man...

BING FREAKIN'-O

[Acklan]

What are some jobs you guys think a felon is better suited for?

Any job that does not require a clean felony history.

[JasperPup]

I'm going to say jobs that do not involve going into a stranger's home, where the people are entrusting an individual (or group of individuals) to respect their privacy, property and the law.

I find it pretty crazy that there is actually an argument about a person with a felony conviction vs a person with out...who cares if the person with out the conviction "MIGHT" have committed a felony, their true values will come out at some point...but the person with the felony conviction has meet the burden of proof...period.

What job out there, that would actually support a family, does not involve some degree of respect for dealing with peoples privacy, property and/or the law? Virtually every employer out there could make the same arguments, against hiring a felon, as the people on this thread. Yet you insist they should be able to do those jobs and become law abiding citizens but, oh no, they can't be a firefighter!

The problem is some people have decided to ride their high horse, thinking that being a firefighter makes them better than everyone else. That if someone who made a mistake in the past is allowed to do this job it takes away from their glory. That about sum it up?

[rm1524]

Can felons vote?
Can felons own guns?

A felon has lost the privilege to do these things. Why should they be allowed to work in a job that one of the major parts of that job is public trust?

[rm1524]

What job out there, that would actually support a family, does not involve some degree of respect for dealing with peoples privacy, property and/or the law? Virtually every employer out there could make the same arguments, against hiring a felon, as the people on this thread. Yet you insist they should be able to do those jobs and become law abiding citizens but, oh no, they can't be a firefighter!

The problem is some people have decided to ride their high horse, thinking that being a firefighter makes them better than everyone else. That if someone who made a mistake in the past is allowed to do this job it takes away from their glory. That about sum it up?

I know I'm not better than everyone else. I don't do this for the glory as you say. If your a firefighter and in it for the glory then you are doing it for the wrong reason. I, as a firefighter do not want to lose the public's trust in my department by them hiring a felon. Why would any department want a black eye so they could hire the poor felon that needs a second chance? The convicted felon made a poor choice, got caught, and has to pay the price for their actions. They should have thought about their actions before and not after. Don't cry foul because you made a poor choice and want everyone to say its ok. I for one don't think its ok.

[Acklan]

What job out there, that would actually support a family, does not involve some degree of respect for dealing with peoples privacy, property and/or the law? Virtually every employer out there could make the same arguments, against hiring a felon, as the people on this thread. Yet you insist they should be able to do those jobs and become law abiding citizens but, oh no, they can't be a firefighter!

Riding a garbage truck
Digging a ditch
Detailing cars
Delivering pizza
IT for a big internet security company

There are many jobs that can be done, or here is a novel concept... start their own business. Then they can hire all the felons they wish, or not.

The problem is some people have decided to ride their high horse, thinking that being a firefighter makes them better than everyone else. That if someone who made a mistake in the past is allowed to do this job it takes away from their glory. That about sum it up?

How about this. I am speaking from a citizen's prospective.
I do not want someone who is convicted of sex crimes touching me or my family!
I do not want someone who has committed burglar coming into my house!
I do not want a person convicted of drug crimes driving a government own vehicle!
I do not want someone who has committed computer crimes with access to my personal electronic or printed data!
I do want my elected officials to protect me from felon by NOT allowing them to be in a position to abuse the public trust! Period.

[ljm]

What job out there, that would actually support a family, does not involve some degree of respect for dealing with peoples privacy, property and/or the law? Virtually every employer out there could make the same arguments, against hiring a felon, as the people on this thread. Yet you insist they should be able to do those jobs and become law abiding citizens but, oh no, they can't be a firefighter!

The problem is some people have decided to ride their high horse, thinking that being a firefighter makes them better than everyone else. That if someone who made a mistake in the past is allowed to do this job it takes away from their glory. That about sum it up?

You are acting like having a job is a right, as if it is owed to you. It is up to the company if THEY want YOU working for them...not the other way around. I am not going to say I have never made a mistake, or that a person can not change, but the option to hire you or me is not up to us.

Given two people that are 100% equals in their abilities and experience the delineating factor becomes their personal history. Who do you think is going to win out? Who would you expect to win out? This isn't a career that is simply handed out to people because of charity or because you are good at heart. You seem to have this delusion that people should only judge on the present and not take the past into account, when things like honesty and integrity are built off past actions, that simply is not possible.

While you might see me as short sighted, I think you are being short sighted in your attempt to see the volume and talent that is applying for each and every spot on a department.

I wish you the best of luck if you are not currently in the fire service, because let's face it, each and every one of us wanting to get in needs it.

[ChiefKN]

What are some jobs you guys think a felon is better suited for?

Manufacturing
Farming
Construction & Building trades
Mechanical work

There are only a few million of these jobs in the US.

To name a few

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

Whatever, I'm tired of trying to insert rational thought into the hiring process! It's apparently impossible to reason with a bunch of block-heads.

Don't let the doorknob hit you where the Good Lord split you!

[RFDACM02]

The problem is some people have decided to ride their high horse, thinking that being a firefighter makes them better than everyone else. That if someone who made a mistake in the past is allowed to do this job it takes away from their glory. That about sum it up?

Nope, how about looking at why we have different levels of crimes? We generally forgive sins of the past that are misdemeanors. Felony are greater crimes against another or that rise to a level that or society has determined is unacceptable behavior to the point of significant imprisonment or other loss of rights. Most people who have committed and have been convicted of a felony, knew right from wrong when they acted out their crime. End of story, don't expect us to take pity on you in any shape or form. A major part of the problem with out legal justice system is letting people off too easy so they commit other crimes.

Firefighters are no better or worse than anyone else. We are however far more trusted by the general public and that trust should never be allowed to be diminished were we can protect it. We routinely find ourselves in positions that those without morals, ethics or a sense of right and wrong could profit or benefit, yet we always do the right thing. You've committed a felony? Sorry but you've proven you cannot always be counted on to do the right thing when tempted.

[MarcusKspn]

blah blah blah

I thought you were done with this argument?

Liar....l

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

Riding a garbage truck
Digging a ditch
Detailing cars
Delivering pizza
IT for a big internet security company

There are many jobs that can be done, or here is a novel concept... start their own business. Then they can hire all the felons they wish, or not.



How about this. I am speaking from a citizen's prospective.
I do not want someone who is convicted of sex crimes touching me or my family!
I do not want someone who has committed burglar coming into my house!
I do not want a person convicted of drug crimes driving a government own vehicle!
I do not want someone who has committed computer crimes with access to my personal electronic or printed data!
I do want my elected officials to protect me from felon by NOT allowing them to be in a position to abuse the public trust! Period.

Nice shot at the one with "brains of straw"....

As far as detailing cars.. I do that as a paying hobby. Thee are many things one can find in a car...

I have found change and cash, jewelry and firearms in cars I have detailed. I put any items that I find in ziplock bags of various sizes and return the itms to my clients.

Someone who is not trustworthy... these things can "disappear"...

[Acklan]

Nice shot at the one with "brains of straw"....

As far as detailing cars.. I do that as a paying hobby. Thee are many things one can find in a car...

I have found change and cash, jewelry and firearms in cars I have detailed. I put any items that I find in ziplock bags of various sizes and return the itms to my clients.

Someone who is not trustworthy... these things can "disappear"...

My apologies. I stand corrected.

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
Nice shot at the one with "brains of straw"....

As far as detailing cars.. I do that as a paying hobby. Thee are many things one can find in a car...

I have found change and cash, jewelry and firearms in cars I have detailed. I put any items that I find in ziplock bags of various sizes and return the items to my clients.

Someone who is not trustworthy... these things can "disappear"...
My apologies. I stand corrected.

My apologies. I stand corrected.

No apologies needed, Brother... no apologies needed.

[ScareCrow57]

You sound experience on this !!!

Only because I was on a Jury where a 17 year old was accused of raping a 16 Year old. He admitted they had sex but claimed it was consensual. Under the law it was illegal. Truth be known I believe the girl was out for revenge; and got it

[ScareCrow57]

I'm going to say jobs that do not involve going into a stranger's home, where the people are entrusting an individual (or group of individuals) to respect their privacy, property and the law.

I find it pretty crazy that there is actually an argument about a person with a felony conviction vs a person with out...who cares if the person with out the conviction "MIGHT" have committed a felony, their true values will come out at some point...but the person with the felony conviction has meet the burden of proof...period.

That would eliminate most home contracting jobs, telephone repair work, cable installers (to include DISH TV etc), UPS, FEDEX, and any Home Delivery service, Census, door to door sales, and the list goes on.

[ScareCrow57]

Can felons vote?
Can felons own guns?

A felon has lost the privilege to do these things. Why should they be allowed to work in a job that one of the major parts of that job is public trust?

Can felons vote? - In some states yes, only 12 prohibit them
Can felons own guns? - Yes they can - 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(20)(A) expressly exempts certain white collar felonies such as antitrust or unfair trade practices.

In fact, they can be Mayors in Big Cities, Washington DC and Marion Berry anyone.

[Acklan]

Only because I was on a Jury where a 17 year old was accused of raping a 16 Year old. He admitted they had sex but claimed it was consensual. Under the law it was illegal. Truth be known I believe the girl was out for revenge; and got it

Then you did not use the jury progress as intended. Have you heard of "Jury Nullification"? If you believe the charge was bad you had the chance to correct a wrong. If you had "reasonable doubt" you should have voted not guilty.
Sad little man.

[Acklan]

In fact, they can be Mayors in Big Cities, Washington DC and Marion Berry anyone.

You are proving our point. Cocaine addict and governed one of the largest cities in the country in to the ground .