Bridgeport hiring felons Heats up for the bad

[Acklan]

Point is, there are many crimes that were felonies and no longer are.

Let me ask this? In NYS it is a felony to drive drunk with kids under 16 in the car. This law went into effect this summer. So if you committed the felony before the law was put in place should you be barred from employment?

The thing is, not all felons are hard core violent criminals.

Again, as I have stated, I do not know the laws for other states, but in my state a law cannot be change post arrest so that suspects can receive a harsher sentence. If you we arrested for a misdemeanor crime12-1-2009 and the law took affect 1-1-2010 making it a felony you would be charge with the law as it was in effect when the crime was committed. Unless I have misinterpreted the statue.
If I had someone with a DWI I would not hire them anyways. Most insurance will preclude someone with a DWI from driving a commercial vehicle. Like I said I find drunkards of poor character. If you need to drink so bad you cannot wait till you are in a safe place, then no I would not hire you.
I have own 14 businesses since 1978 and sold 11 of them for a profit. I have three left and the only one that even came close to flopping is my limo company. That was do to 9-11-2001. I have never committed a felony and see no reason to cut slack to someone who "Takes the easy way out". If you victimize once you will do it again.
We all make choices, good or bad. If you make a poor choice then you live with the results. You commit a felony you forfeit the opportunity to be FF\EMS\LE.

[ScareCrow57]

HEY, Jakesdad and all the rest check out the bold!!!

Old Crow, if a applicant for the fire department has any of these convictions, do you want them in the fire service?

I can tell you we sure as heck don't!

If they commit any of these crimes and are convicted by a court of law, then they are terminated.



VIRGINIA CRIME CODES (VCCs) FOR COMMON FELONY VIOLATIONS



STATUTE VCC DESCRIPTION
ASSAULT/PERSON
18.2-32 MUR-0925-F2 Non capital first degree murder
18.2-32 MUR-0935-F9 Non capital second degree murder
18.2-47(A) KID-1010-F5 Abduct by force, deception, etc. without justification
18.2-51 ASL-1334-F3 Malicious wounding-Stab, cut, wound with malice
18.2-51 ASL-1335-F6 Unlawful Injury-Stab, cut, wound without malicious intent
18.2-51.2(A) ASL-1336-F2 Malicious wounding - Victim permanently impaired
18.2-53.1 ASL-1319-F9 Firearm use in commission of felony-(first offense)
18.2-53.1 ASL-1323-F9 Firearm use in commission of felony-(subsequent)
18.2-57(C) ASL-1342-F6 Simple assault on law enforcement, fire/rescue personnel
18.2-57.2(B) ASL-1316-F6 Simple assault against a family member
18.2-58 ROB-1201-F9 Robbery - Business with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1204-F9 Robbery - Street with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1207-F9 Robbery - Residence with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1210-F9 Robbery - Bank with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1211-F9 Robbery - Bank or banking type institution
18.2-58 ROB-1213-F9 Robbery - Business
18.2-58 ROB-1214-F9 Robbery - Street
18.2-58 ROB-1215-F9 Robbery - Residence
18.2-61(A,i) RAP-1129-F9 Intercourse with victim by force, threat or intimidation
18.2-61(A,iii) RAP-1130-F9 Intercourse with victim under age 13
18.2-63 RAP-1123-F6 Carnal knowledge victim age 13, 14-accused 3+yrs older
18.2-63 RAP-1124-F4 Carnal knowledge/Statutory Rape Age of victim 13, 14
18.2-67.1(A,1) RAP-1133-F9 Forcible sodomy, victim under age 13
18.2-67.1(A,2) RAP-1132-F9 Forcible sodomy, by force, threat, etc, victim age 13+
18.2-67.3(1) RAP-1121-F9 Aggravated sexual battery - victim under age 13
18.2-279 WPN-5229-F4 Maliciously discharge firearm, missile in/at occup. bldg.
18.2-279 WPN-5242-F6 Unlawfully discharge firearm, missile in/at occup. bldg
18.2-370(A) SEX-3643-F5 Take indecent liberties with child under age 15
18.2-370.1(A) SEX-3635-F6 Take indecent liberties with child-custodian
DRUGS/ALCOHOL
18.2-248(C) NAR-3042-F9 Distribution Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3043-F9 Possession w/ intent to sell, etc. Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3045-F9 Sale for profit Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3038-F9 Subseq. Dist., sell, etc Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(D) NAR-3035-F5 Accommodation sale of Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(G) NAR-3061-F6 Sell, dist., manuf, etc imitation Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248.1(a,2) NAR-3032-F5 Sell, distribute, etc marijuana, > 1/2 oz to < 5 lbs
18.2-248.1(a,3) NAR-3033-F9 Marijuana Sell, distribute, etc - Over 5 pounds
18.2-250(A,a) NAR-3022-F5 Possession Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-255.2 NAR-3027-F6 Dist etc.controlled substance, marijuana etc. school prop.
18.2-258.1(A) NAR-3016-F6 Obtain drugs by forgery, fraud
STATUTE VCC DESCRIPTION
LARCENY/FRAUD
18.2-89 BUR-2221-F3 Burglary dwelling at night to commit larceny, other felony
18.2-91 BUR-2213-F9 Stat. Burglary dwelling tocommit other felony or A&B
18.2-91 BUR-2214-F2 Stat. Burglary dwelling to commit oth fel or A&B w/deadly wpn
18.2-91 BUR-2216-F9 Stat. Burglary of structure to commit larceny, etc.
18.2-94 BUR-2206-F5 Possession of burglarious tools
18.2-95(i) LAR-2361-F9 Grand larceny - $5 or more from person
18.2-95(ii) LAR-2359-F9 Grand larceny - $200 or more not from person
18.2-95(ii) LAR-2404-F9 Grand larceny - Auto theft
18.2-95(iii) LAR-2383-F9 Larceny of firearms, regardless of value, not from person
18.2-96/18.2-104 LAR-2369-F6 Petit larceny - Third conviction
18.2-102 LAR-2412-F6 Unauthorized use of animal, auto, boat worth $200 or more
18.2-103 LAR-2339-F6 Shoplift, alter price tags < $200 (third time)
18.2-103 LAR-2354-F9 Shoplift, alter price tags > $200
18.2-108 LAR-2808-F9 Receive stolen goods-$200 or more
18.2-111 LAR-2707-F9 Embezzlement, $200 or more
18.2-168 FRD-2519-F4 Forging public record
18.2-168 FRD-2535-F4 Uttering public record
18.2-172 FRD-2520-F5 Forgery
18.2-172 FRD-2521-F5 Uttering
18.2-178 FRD-2743-F9 Obtain money by false pretenses >=$200
18.2-181 FRD-2624-F6 Bad checks, $200 or more
18.2-181.1 FRD-2699-F6 Bad checks, two or more w/in 90 days, >=$200
18.2-192(1,a) FRD-2360-F9 Theft of credit card / numbers
18.2-193 FRD-2512-F5 Forgery of credit card
18.2-195(1) FRD-2635-F6 Credit Card Fraud >= $200 over 6 month period
18.2-200.1 FRD-2805-F9 Fail to perform construction in return for advances, > $200
63.2-522 FRD-2695-F9 Fraudulently obtaining welfare asst. - Value $200 or more
TRAFFIC/DWI
18.2-266 DWI-5449-F6 Driving while intoxicated - Third conviction within 10 years
18.2-266 DWI-5450-F6 Driving while intoxicated - Third conviction within 5 years
18.2-266 DWI-5406-F6 Driving while intoxicated - 4th or subseq within 10 years
46.2-894 HIT-6604-F5 Hit and run - Driver fails to rpt. $1000+ damage to property
46.2-894 HIT-6608-F5 Hit and run - Driver failed to stop/report/etc (victim injured)
OTHER
18.2-137(B,ii) VAN-2956-F6 Intentionally damage any property/monument >=$1000
18.2-308.2(A) WPN-5296-F6 Convicted violent felon possess/transport firearm, taser
18.2-308.2(A) WPN-5297-F6 Convicted non-violent felon possess/transport firearm, taser
18.2-308.2:2(K) WPN-5281-F5 False statements on criminal history check consent form
18.2-308.4(A) WPN-5303-F6 Possess Sched. I /II drug while possessing firearm
18.2-308.4(B) WPN-5302-F6 Possess Sched. I /II drug with firearm on or about person
18.2-308.4(C) WPN-5257-F6 Sell Schedule I or II drug while possessing firearm

Attempts and Conspiracies-Use VCC Code for actual crime and change “F” to “A” for attempts and “C” 19.2-128 FTA-5019-F6 Fail to appear in court for felony offense
for conspiracies. For example, the offense “robbery-street” has a VCC of ROB-1214-F9 which would change to ROB-1214-A9 for an attempt and ROB-1214-C9 for a conspiracy to commit this specific crime.

Effective October 1, 2008

Again, it would depend on the circumstances and a case by case basis.

Some of these might be explainable:
18.2-102 LAR-2412-F6 Unauthorized use of animal, auto, boat worth $200 or more
18.2-108 LAR-2808-F9 Receive stolen goods-$200 or more
18.2-172 FRD-2521-F5 Uttering
18.2-181 FRD-2624-F6 Bad checks, $200 or more
18.2-181.1 FRD-2699-F6 Bad checks, two or more w/in 90 days, >=$200
18.2-200.1 FRD-2805-F9 Fail to perform construction in return for advances, > $200

Many times it is easier and cheaper to just admit you are guilty. There may be extenuating circumstances.

[ScareCrow57]

Again, as I have stated, I do not know the laws for other states, but in my state a law cannot be change post arrest so that suspects can receive a harsher sentence. If you we arrested for a misdemeanor crime12-1-2009 and the law took affect 1-1-2010 making it a felony you would be charge with the law as it was in effect when the crime was committed. Unless I have misinterpreted the statue.
If I had someone with a DWI I would not hire them anyways. Most insurance will preclude someone with a DWI from driving a commercial vehicle. Like I said I find drunkards of poor character. If you need to drink so bad you cannot wait till you are in a safe place, then no I would not hire you.
I have own 14 businesses since 1978 and sold 11 of them for a profit. I have three left and the only one that even came close to flopping is my limo company. That was do to 9-11-2001. I have never committed a felony and see no reason to cut slack to someone who "Takes the easy way out". If you victimize once you will do it again.
We all make choices, good or bad. If you make a poor choice then you live with the results. You commit a felony you forfeit the opportunity to be FF\EMS\LE.

Exactly!!! The laws change. So what was a felony 5 years ago is no longer and some new felonies get added. I'm not talking about murder, rape, robbery, etc. I'm talking about the lesser and sometimes explainable or justifiable crimes. Like the teens who are sexting, and the 17 year old having sex with his 1 year old girlfriend. Felonies, but these are bad felonies and bad convictions. There is no reason to exempt these people from employment.

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

I "checked out the bold"...

18.2-67.1(A,1) RAP-1133-F9 Forcible sodomy, victim under age 13
18.2-67.1(A,2) RAP-1132-F9 Forcible sodomy, by force, threat, etc, victim age 13+

That's RAPE. Are you that stupid not to recognize it?

[Acklan]

Exactly!!! The laws change. So what was a felony 5 years ago is no longer and some new felonies get added. I'm not talking about murder, rape, robbery, etc. I'm talking about the lesser and sometimes explainable or justifiable crimes.

In Jonnee's post, two back you did. You have no problem with forcible sodomy, otherwise commonly known as rape.

Like the teens who are sexting, and the 17 year old having sex with his 1 year old girlfriend. Felonies, but these are bad felonies and bad convictions. There is no reason to exempt these people from employment.

Still felonies. Application stamped DENIED! Please move to the next window for the ditch digger applications. NEXT INLINE!!!

[Dickey]

So???? Inquiring minds need to know... If it wasn't a felony before but now is, how do you know the person is a felon????

how much wood would a woodchuck chuck??

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

I "checked out the bold"...



That's RAPE. Are you that stupid not to recognize it?

Duhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Of course he is.

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

He'll blame it on dyslexia again...

[ScareCrow57]

In Jonnee's post, two back you did. You have no problem with forcible sodomy, otherwise commonly known as rape.



Still felonies. Application stamped DENIED! Please move to the next window for the ditch digger applications. NEXT INLINE!!!

Actually , if you go back a few posts Jakesdad made they claim that Sodomy laws were off the book. Yet here they are.

How about this one Teens facing felonies for 'sexting'
an excerpt

...Saratoga County District Attorney James Murphy says the sexting law might be too harsh when it comes to children sending images of themselves.

According to a national survey, 70 percent of teens have been involved in sexting. If they're caught in New York, even if they send pictures of themselves, they are treated as child pornographers.

The latest case involves an 18-yea- old man and a 15-year-old girl who met through a youth group at the Abundant Life Church in Milton.

Police say the young man, Andrew Priest of Ballston Spa, sent images of his private parts to the girl.

"A man who is clearly old enough to know better is taking a picture of his erect penis and sending it to a 15-year-old girl. That's a crime. That's a Class D felony," Murphy said.

Police say the man asked the girl to send pictures of herself in return and she did. Now she's also charged with a felony -- promoting obscene sexual performance by a child. ...

So in NY, this alone would eliminate 70% of the population.

[ScareCrow57]

how much wood would a woodchuck chuck??

A woodchuck would chuck all the wood that a woodchuck could if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

[Acklan]

Actually , if you go back a few posts Jakesdad made they claim that Sodomy laws were off the book. Yet here they are.

If you look at the Supreme Court ruling in "Lawrence v. Texas, you would find that they struck down consensual sex sodomy laws. Although they are on the books they are unenforceable. If you still have questions I would suggest you trying arguing with the Supreme Court.

So in NY, this alone would eliminate 70% of the population.

So say, too bad. Their parents should have taught them better. That is the penalty for being young and stupid. They are probably drunkards too. Do not pass go, go straight to jail and do not collect a civil service application.

[ScareCrow57]

If you look at the Supreme Court ruling in "Lawrence v. Texas, you would find that they struck down consensual sex sodomy laws. Although they are on the books they are unenforceable. If you still have questions I would suggest you trying arguing with the Supreme Court.

I just find it humorous how some can use Sodomy when it is convenient to do so.

So say, too bad. Their parents should have taught them better. That is the penalty for being young and stupid. They are probably drunkards too. Do not pass go, go straight to jail and do not collect a civil service application.

Perhaps if you are the Brady Bunch or live in the Little House on the Prairie. In the real world it doesn't work that way.

We will obviously have to agree to disagree here. I can accept that not all felonies should be a reason for being disqualified. Felons can and do get Security Clearances and deal with issues of National security where hundreds, thousand, and millions of lives are at stake. There is no reason they cannot also function as fire fighters, EMTs, and LEOs.

[ChiefKN]

We will obviously have to agree to disagree here. I can accept that not all felonies should be a reason for being disqualified. Felons can and do get Security Clearances and deal with issues of National security where hundreds, thousand, and millions of lives are at stake. There is no reason they cannot also function as fire fighters, EMTs, and LEOs.

In the end it doesn't matter what you think. The people have spoken and with a resounding voice they don't want convicts working in their public safety positions.

[Acklan]

I just find it humorous how some can use Sodomy when it is convenient to do so.

I was thinking the same thing about you, since you started the thread in this direction. To my knowledge no one, in this thread, but you feels sodomy is still a crime.

Perhaps if you are the Brady Bunch or live in the Little House on the Prairie. In the real world it doesn't work that way.

Sure it does. It works like that every wheres. I know of no department that hires felonies, or keeps them when arrested after they are hired. As it should be.

We will obviously have to agree to disagree here.

I prefer to think of it as I have much higher standards than you do. I do not disagree with you as much as I know you are outright wrong. That is not an opinion, but solid fact.

[ScareCrow57]

In the end it doesn't matter what you think. The people have spoken and with a resounding voice they don't want convicts working in their public safety positions.

That isn't true. Anyone with a security clearance is working with the public safety, be it matter of national defense, security , whatever. Felons can get Clearances.

[ScareCrow57]

I was thinking the same thing about you, since you started the thread in this direction. To my knowledge no one, in this thread, but you feels sodomy is still a crime.

Here ya go:::

Old Crow, if a applicant for the fire department has any of these convictions, do you want them in the fire service?

I can tell you we sure as heck don't!

If they commit any of these crimes and are convicted by a court of law, then they are terminated.



VIRGINIA CRIME CODES (VCCs) FOR COMMON FELONY VIOLATIONS



STATUTE VCC DESCRIPTION
ASSAULT/PERSON
18.2-32 MUR-0925-F2 Non capital first degree murder
18.2-32 MUR-0935-F9 Non capital second degree murder
18.2-47(A) KID-1010-F5 Abduct by force, deception, etc. without justification
18.2-51 ASL-1334-F3 Malicious wounding-Stab, cut, wound with malice
18.2-51 ASL-1335-F6 Unlawful Injury-Stab, cut, wound without malicious intent
18.2-51.2(A) ASL-1336-F2 Malicious wounding - Victim permanently impaired
18.2-53.1 ASL-1319-F9 Firearm use in commission of felony-(first offense)
18.2-53.1 ASL-1323-F9 Firearm use in commission of felony-(subsequent)
18.2-57(C) ASL-1342-F6 Simple assault on law enforcement, fire/rescue personnel
18.2-57.2(B) ASL-1316-F6 Simple assault against a family member
18.2-58 ROB-1201-F9 Robbery - Business with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1204-F9 Robbery - Street with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1207-F9 Robbery - Residence with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1210-F9 Robbery - Bank with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1211-F9 Robbery - Bank or banking type institution
18.2-58 ROB-1213-F9 Robbery - Business
18.2-58 ROB-1214-F9 Robbery - Street
18.2-58 ROB-1215-F9 Robbery - Residence
18.2-61(A,i) RAP-1129-F9 Intercourse with victim by force, threat or intimidation
18.2-61(A,iii) RAP-1130-F9 Intercourse with victim under age 13
18.2-63 RAP-1123-F6 Carnal knowledge victim age 13, 14-accused 3+yrs older
18.2-63 RAP-1124-F4 Carnal knowledge/Statutory Rape Age of victim 13, 14
18.2-67.1(A,1) RAP-1133-F9 Forcible sodomy, victim under age 13
18.2-67.1(A,2) RAP-1132-F9 Forcible sodomy, by force, threat, etc, victim age 13+
18.2-67.3(1) RAP-1121-F9 Aggravated sexual battery - victim under age 13
18.2-279 WPN-5229-F4 Maliciously discharge firearm, missile in/at occup. bldg.
18.2-279 WPN-5242-F6 Unlawfully discharge firearm, missile in/at occup. bldg
18.2-370(A) SEX-3643-F5 Take indecent liberties with child under age 15
18.2-370.1(A) SEX-3635-F6 Take indecent liberties with child-custodian
DRUGS/ALCOHOL
18.2-248(C) NAR-3042-F9 Distribution Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3043-F9 Possession w/ intent to sell, etc. Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3045-F9 Sale for profit Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3038-F9 Subseq. Dist., sell, etc Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(D) NAR-3035-F5 Accommodation sale of Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(G) NAR-3061-F6 Sell, dist., manuf, etc imitation Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248.1(a,2) NAR-3032-F5 Sell, distribute, etc marijuana, > 1/2 oz to < 5 lbs
18.2-248.1(a,3) NAR-3033-F9 Marijuana Sell, distribute, etc - Over 5 pounds
18.2-250(A,a) NAR-3022-F5 Possession Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-255.2 NAR-3027-F6 Dist etc.controlled substance, marijuana etc. school prop.
18.2-258.1(A) NAR-3016-F6 Obtain drugs by forgery, fraud
STATUTE VCC DESCRIPTION
LARCENY/FRAUD
18.2-89 BUR-2221-F3 Burglary dwelling at night to commit larceny, other felony
18.2-91 BUR-2213-F9 Stat. Burglary dwelling tocommit other felony or A&B
18.2-91 BUR-2214-F2 Stat. Burglary dwelling to commit oth fel or A&B w/deadly wpn
18.2-91 BUR-2216-F9 Stat. Burglary of structure to commit larceny, etc.
18.2-94 BUR-2206-F5 Possession of burglarious tools
18.2-95(i) LAR-2361-F9 Grand larceny - $5 or more from person
18.2-95(ii) LAR-2359-F9 Grand larceny - $200 or more not from person
18.2-95(ii) LAR-2404-F9 Grand larceny - Auto theft
18.2-95(iii) LAR-2383-F9 Larceny of firearms, regardless of value, not from person
18.2-96/18.2-104 LAR-2369-F6 Petit larceny - Third conviction
18.2-102 LAR-2412-F6 Unauthorized use of animal, auto, boat worth $200 or more
18.2-103 LAR-2339-F6 Shoplift, alter price tags < $200 (third time)
18.2-103 LAR-2354-F9 Shoplift, alter price tags > $200
18.2-108 LAR-2808-F9 Receive stolen goods-$200 or more
18.2-111 LAR-2707-F9 Embezzlement, $200 or more
18.2-168 FRD-2519-F4 Forging public record
18.2-168 FRD-2535-F4 Uttering public record
18.2-172 FRD-2520-F5 Forgery
18.2-172 FRD-2521-F5 Uttering
18.2-178 FRD-2743-F9 Obtain money by false pretenses >=$200
18.2-181 FRD-2624-F6 Bad checks, $200 or more
18.2-181.1 FRD-2699-F6 Bad checks, two or more w/in 90 days, >=$200
18.2-192(1,a) FRD-2360-F9 Theft of credit card / numbers
18.2-193 FRD-2512-F5 Forgery of credit card
18.2-195(1) FRD-2635-F6 Credit Card Fraud >= $200 over 6 month period
18.2-200.1 FRD-2805-F9 Fail to perform construction in return for advances, > $200
63.2-522 FRD-2695-F9 Fraudulently obtaining welfare asst. - Value $200 or more
TRAFFIC/DWI
18.2-266 DWI-5449-F6 Driving while intoxicated - Third conviction within 10 years
18.2-266 DWI-5450-F6 Driving while intoxicated - Third conviction within 5 years
18.2-266 DWI-5406-F6 Driving while intoxicated - 4th or subseq within 10 years
46.2-894 HIT-6604-F5 Hit and run - Driver fails to rpt. $1000+ damage to property
46.2-894 HIT-6608-F5 Hit and run - Driver failed to stop/report/etc (victim injured)
OTHER
18.2-137(B,ii) VAN-2956-F6 Intentionally damage any property/monument >=$1000
18.2-308.2(A) WPN-5296-F6 Convicted violent felon possess/transport firearm, taser
18.2-308.2(A) WPN-5297-F6 Convicted non-violent felon possess/transport firearm, taser
18.2-308.2:2(K) WPN-5281-F5 False statements on criminal history check consent form
18.2-308.4(A) WPN-5303-F6 Possess Sched. I /II drug while possessing firearm
18.2-308.4(B) WPN-5302-F6 Possess Sched. I /II drug with firearm on or about person
18.2-308.4(C) WPN-5257-F6 Sell Schedule I or II drug while possessing firearm

Attempts and Conspiracies-Use VCC Code for actual crime and change “F” to “A” for attempts and “C” 19.2-128 FTA-5019-F6 Fail to appear in court for felony offense
for conspiracies. For example, the offense “robbery-street” has a VCC of ROB-1214-F9 which would change to ROB-1214-A9 for an attempt and ROB-1214-C9 for a conspiracy to commit this specific crime.

Effective October 1, 2008

Sure it does. It works like that every wheres. I know of no department that hires felonies, or keeps them when arrested after they are hired. As it should be.

I would be willing to bet that your own department wouldn't fire a person with a DWI felony, they would rehab them instead. The Unions are big on that one sunshine.

I prefer to think of it as I have much higher standards than you do. I do not disagree with you as much as I know you are outright wrong. That is not an opinion, but solid fact.

[ChiefKN]

That isn't true. Anyone with a security clearance is working with the public safety, be it matter of national defense, security , whatever. Felons can get Clearances.

I'm talking about municipal public safety.

But whatever...

Wasn't this about firefighters??? How did this warp into national defense???

Oh yea, the "Great Mis-Director".

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

Well... Scarecrows have been known to send people and forum threads in the wrong direction...

[Acklan]

Here ya go:::

" Jonnee View Post
Old Crow, if a applicant for the fire department has any of these convictions, do you want them in the fire service?

I can tell you we sure as heck don't!

If they commit any of these crimes and are convicted by a court of law, then they are terminated.



VIRGINIA CRIME CODES (VCCs) FOR COMMON FELONY VIOLATIONS



STATUTE VCC DESCRIPTION
ASSAULT/PERSON
18.2-32 MUR-0925-F2 Non capital first degree murder
18.2-32 MUR-0935-F9 Non capital second degree murder
18.2-47(A) KID-1010-F5 Abduct by force, deception, etc. without justification
18.2-51 ASL-1334-F3 Malicious wounding-Stab, cut, wound with malice
18.2-51 ASL-1335-F6 Unlawful Injury-Stab, cut, wound without malicious intent
18.2-51.2(A) ASL-1336-F2 Malicious wounding - Victim permanently impaired
18.2-53.1 ASL-1319-F9 Firearm use in commission of felony-(first offense)
18.2-53.1 ASL-1323-F9 Firearm use in commission of felony-(subsequent)
18.2-57(C) ASL-1342-F6 Simple assault on law enforcement, fire/rescue personnel
18.2-57.2(B) ASL-1316-F6 Simple assault against a family member
18.2-58 ROB-1201-F9 Robbery - Business with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1204-F9 Robbery - Street with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1207-F9 Robbery - Residence with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1210-F9 Robbery - Bank with use of gun or simulated gun
18.2-58 ROB-1211-F9 Robbery - Bank or banking type institution
18.2-58 ROB-1213-F9 Robbery - Business
18.2-58 ROB-1214-F9 Robbery - Street
18.2-58 ROB-1215-F9 Robbery - Residence
18.2-61(A,i) RAP-1129-F9 Intercourse with victim by force, threat or intimidation
18.2-61(A,iii) RAP-1130-F9 Intercourse with victim under age 13
18.2-63 RAP-1123-F6 Carnal knowledge victim age 13, 14-accused 3+yrs older
18.2-63 RAP-1124-F4 Carnal knowledge/Statutory Rape Age of victim 13, 14
18.2-67.1(A,1) RAP-1133-F9 Forcible sodomy, victim under age 13
18.2-67.1(A,2) RAP-1132-F9 Forcible sodomy, by force, threat, etc, victim age 13+
18.2-67.3(1) RAP-1121-F9 Aggravated sexual battery - victim under age 13
18.2-279 WPN-5229-F4 Maliciously discharge firearm, missile in/at occup. bldg.
18.2-279 WPN-5242-F6 Unlawfully discharge firearm, missile in/at occup. bldg
18.2-370(A) SEX-3643-F5 Take indecent liberties with child under age 15
18.2-370.1(A) SEX-3635-F6 Take indecent liberties with child-custodian
DRUGS/ALCOHOL
18.2-248(C) NAR-3042-F9 Distribution Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3043-F9 Possession w/ intent to sell, etc. Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3045-F9 Sale for profit Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(C) NAR-3038-F9 Subseq. Dist., sell, etc Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(D) NAR-3035-F5 Accommodation sale of Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248(G) NAR-3061-F6 Sell, dist., manuf, etc imitation Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-248.1(a,2) NAR-3032-F5 Sell, distribute, etc marijuana, > 1/2 oz to < 5 lbs
18.2-248.1(a,3) NAR-3033-F9 Marijuana Sell, distribute, etc - Over 5 pounds
18.2-250(A,a) NAR-3022-F5 Possession Schedule I or II drugs
18.2-255.2 NAR-3027-F6 Dist etc.controlled substance, marijuana etc. school prop.
18.2-258.1(A) NAR-3016-F6 Obtain drugs by forgery, fraud
STATUTE VCC DESCRIPTION
LARCENY/FRAUD
18.2-89 BUR-2221-F3 Burglary dwelling at night to commit larceny, other felony
18.2-91 BUR-2213-F9 Stat. Burglary dwelling tocommit other felony or A&B
18.2-91 BUR-2214-F2 Stat. Burglary dwelling to commit oth fel or A&B w/deadly wpn
18.2-91 BUR-2216-F9 Stat. Burglary of structure to commit larceny, etc.
18.2-94 BUR-2206-F5 Possession of burglarious tools
18.2-95(i) LAR-2361-F9 Grand larceny - $5 or more from person
18.2-95(ii) LAR-2359-F9 Grand larceny - $200 or more not from person
18.2-95(ii) LAR-2404-F9 Grand larceny - Auto theft
18.2-95(iii) LAR-2383-F9 Larceny of firearms, regardless of value, not from person
18.2-96/18.2-104 LAR-2369-F6 Petit larceny - Third conviction
18.2-102 LAR-2412-F6 Unauthorized use of animal, auto, boat worth $200 or more
18.2-103 LAR-2339-F6 Shoplift, alter price tags < $200 (third time)
18.2-103 LAR-2354-F9 Shoplift, alter price tags > $200
18.2-108 LAR-2808-F9 Receive stolen goods-$200 or more
18.2-111 LAR-2707-F9 Embezzlement, $200 or more
18.2-168 FRD-2519-F4 Forging public record
18.2-168 FRD-2535-F4 Uttering public record
18.2-172 FRD-2520-F5 Forgery
18.2-172 FRD-2521-F5 Uttering
18.2-178 FRD-2743-F9 Obtain money by false pretenses >=$200
18.2-181 FRD-2624-F6 Bad checks, $200 or more
18.2-181.1 FRD-2699-F6 Bad checks, two or more w/in 90 days, >=$200
18.2-192(1,a) FRD-2360-F9 Theft of credit card / numbers
18.2-193 FRD-2512-F5 Forgery of credit card
18.2-195(1) FRD-2635-F6 Credit Card Fraud >= $200 over 6 month period
18.2-200.1 FRD-2805-F9 Fail to perform construction in return for advances, > $200
63.2-522 FRD-2695-F9 Fraudulently obtaining welfare asst. - Value $200 or more
TRAFFIC/DWI
18.2-266 DWI-5449-F6 Driving while intoxicated - Third conviction within 10 years
18.2-266 DWI-5450-F6 Driving while intoxicated - Third conviction within 5 years
18.2-266 DWI-5406-F6 Driving while intoxicated - 4th or subseq within 10 years
46.2-894 HIT-6604-F5 Hit and run - Driver fails to rpt. $1000+ damage to property
46.2-894 HIT-6608-F5 Hit and run - Driver failed to stop/report/etc (victim injured)
OTHER
18.2-137(B,ii) VAN-2956-F6 Intentionally damage any property/monument >=$1000
18.2-308.2(A) WPN-5296-F6 Convicted violent felon possess/transport firearm, taser
18.2-308.2(A) WPN-5297-F6 Convicted non-violent felon possess/transport firearm, taser
18.2-308.2:2(K) WPN-5281-F5 False statements on criminal history check consent form
18.2-308.4(A) WPN-5303-F6 Possess Sched. I /II drug while possessing firearm
18.2-308.4(B) WPN-5302-F6 Possess Sched. I /II drug with firearm on or about person
18.2-308.4(C) WPN-5257-F6 Sell Schedule I or II drug while possessing firearm

Attempts and Conspiracies-Use VCC Code for actual crime and change “F” to “A” for attempts and “C” 19.2-128 FTA-5019-F6 Fail to appear in court for felony offense
for conspiracies. For example, the offense “robbery-street” has a VCC of ROB-1214-F9 which would change to ROB-1214-A9 for an attempt and ROB-1214-C9 for a conspiracy to commit this specific crime.

Effective October 1, 2008

Sir do you know the difference between rape and consequential sex? It is the same between consequential sodomy and forcible sodomy.
You point is mute.

[ScareCrow57]

Sir do you know the difference between rape and consequential sex? It is the same between consequential sodomy and forcible sodomy.
You point is mute.

You do know that in NYS a person that is not at least 17 years and one day cannot consent? Other states have similar laws, in some it is 12 or 13. Some foreign countries have different laws altogether. So a felony is not always a felony everywhere you go. It is not uncommon for kids as young as 11 or 12 years old to engage in sexual experimentation. So when a 17 year old and a 16 year old "play around" the 17 year old gets a felony. You can preach abstinence all you want. Kids will be kids. And honestly, at the age I didn't even know or care what the laws were.