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    Default NEW FIREFIGHTER GUIDELINES. (Finally)

    For over the last couple of years, New Firefighters (career and
    volunteer) have been coming in here asking for advice and
    simply "What to do". I, myself have been offering "nickle and
    dime" stuff.

    So, I finally sat down and re-typed out the
    "RECRUIT (NEW) FIREFIGHTER GUILDLINES" from the City
    of Torrance, California. Simply a guildline, not some
    mandatory rule page. I will also add "The Tower Guildlines"
    here soon too.

    Please, before you "punk out" Torrance Fire, they are a major
    progressive, Class 1 Fire Department in Southern California and
    ultra professional. Here is their site- Torrance Fire Department.

    I sent this over to the Explorer/Junior section as well.
    I am curious if it will be viewed or just dumped a side.

    Please feel free to copy this and share with your new people.
    Also, I would like some feedback from you.

    -Bou


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    TORRANCE FIRE DEPARTMENT

    RECRUIT (NEW) FIREFIGHTER GUILDLINES


    The fire service is a para-military organization that requires teamwork, discipline, the ability to make decisions and work under pressure. If you do not like the idea of working under authority or have trouble with self discipline and living with rules and living with rules and regulations which restrict your personal freedom, for the sake of public safety, you are in the wrong place!

    As a member of the Torrance Fire Department, you are expected to obey orders, exhibit exceptional personal hygiene, conform to department rules and regulations, respect the chain of command, work well with your peers, have integrity and perform repetitious mental tasks with excellence. At the same time, you should demonstrate the ability to think on your feet, use good independent judgment, be aggressive and display common sense concerning safety for yourself and others.

    We will expect and settle for nothing less than 100% from you at all times…


    GENERAL GUIDELINES

    1. Be aggressive at all times, first to details, last to leave.
    2. If it is dirty, clean it. If it empty- fill it.
    3. If it rings, answer it before anyone else does.
    4. Do not be late to anything.
    5. T.V. will not be watched without permission of the Company Officer.
    6. Use initiative to address work that you see needs completion.
    7. Keep busy! Look for something to do. If you can not find a job, Study.
    8. When an alarm comes in, be the first one on the rig.
    9. Offer your help to anyone doing anything. One person works, we all work.
    10. Respect authority.
    11. Know your job and duties and know them well.
    12. Keep a low profile. Keep your opinions to yourself.
    13. Assist in and around the kitchen, even if you’re not assigned there.
    14. Remember…The reputation you establish now will follow you forever.

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    This is right up the alley of something we are putting together for our new recruits. The last class of recruits is learning some hard lessons , so we thought we might edjumicate the upcoming class at orientation.
    Stay alert and be safe.

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    Good stuff. I know a few folks who could benefit from reading that.

    And Torrance is a great department. I've worked with them several times in the past (in my pre-FD days with a couple different oil companies), and you're right, they're top-notch.
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    in a sentence...

    If you are not Self-Motivated... SOD OFF.
    Psychiatrists state 1 in 4 people has a mental illness.
    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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    Default ???

    Please explain "sod off" to us. Or atleast me. Thanks.

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    SOD OFF.
    "Go reproduce elsewhere."

    Put almost politely.
    Psychiatrists state 1 in 4 people has a mental illness.
    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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    What I find sad is the decay of common sense in the modern society. That a list like this is even created blows my freaking mind. It is freaking unbelievable that someone has to tell an adult to help clean the kitchen after a meal, help clean up, learn your job, etc..,

    It just blows my mind.
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    I like them, it will be interesting how many people will sod off...
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    I'm with DaSharkie on this. That you actually have to tell people these things is pretty disheartening. Things like this make me glad I'm an old man and don't have to deal with it any more.

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    I have mixed feelings on this. While I think the guidelines are good, they are a direct result of Gen X! LAZINESS!!! - Bottom line! So, this is where we are. It is not just in teh fire service!
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    It is freaking unbelievable that someone has to tell an adult to help clean the kitchen after a meal, help clean up, learn your job, etc..,
    Allow me to introduce you to the 25 "children" I have to manage everyday.... I'm surprised they can dress themselves. Sadly, the term adult only applies to their biological years.

    Bou--Good work!


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    Thumbs up Good Job Brett..................

    I've copied it, (almost) and it will be on the agenda for our next staff meeting, Thank You for sharing it with us. I expect a printed, multi page document, to provide guidance for our new Volunteers, to be out in a couple more months. This has been an ongoing project, one that we are refining and adjusting as we learn. I'll keep you posted as to what we are doing with it. With some differences in "East Coast/West Coast" things, and some differences in Auxilary and Volunteer, as we see it, Our document will not exactly mirror yours, but the intent is the same. I browsed thru your site, and I'm impressed. One question though. The Auxilary position refers to one year's committment, is this extended a year at a time? Thanks.
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    Wink Hey Hon, Check this out..........

    Originally posted by superchef


    Allow me to introduce you to the 25 "children" I have to manage everyday.... I'm surprised they can dress themselves. Sadly, the term adult only applies to their biological years.

    Bou--Good work!

    Cheffie, you should look up the post on Off Duty Discussion, "Classes For Men" It's a trip..........
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    Chief Woods
    I have been reading that thread and it is too funny!! I have not yet had any time to add my usual bit of wit and charm to it (and I better do it quick as fall semester starts September 1).

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    Sadly tis an unhappy day when you must 'inform' the adults to do simple tasks like keeping the kitchen tidy etc.

    Unfortunately it does not stop with just the local FD, I see almost 200 "children" every day... all over the age if 18!!

    However Bou, I like what you have written and just might make a copy for 'in here'. If nothing else just an aide memoire.

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    Default Some stuff...

    I wanted to respond to some of the comments so far-

    - This list was not meant for any one "generation". ie- "X".

    - I dont work for Torrance (I wish), so I dont know about
    their Aux/Reserve program.

    - Please read my FIRST posting. It addressed the fact that
    some newer people have come in here looking for this
    information. NEXT TIME YOU PLEASE STEP UP AND OFFER SOMETHING.

    - Lastly, this FD is not trying to "tweek" or "mold" adults,
    rather laying down their expectations upfront. Again- Class 1
    baby.

    Think about it,this saves time and allows the Instructors/Supervisors to focus on other more important issues.

    A serious question, what if this list was from New York? Make
    a difference?

    -Bou
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    BOU -

    While I agree this list is indeed needed, and Thanks for posting it, I just don't understand why should we have to tell a new guy if something is dirty then clean it. This list, I believe, was "written" by those old timers who paid the price long before us. You didn't have to tell them to be aggressive! I guess my point is, or my observation, is this "generation" is lazy and lacks disciplined.

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    BOU, In reply, No, Where the list came from is not what I was referring to. The intent of my remark was that there are differences in varied aspects of our business from place to place. If I may, you refer to Engineers, we call them Pump Operators or Drivers. It would seem reasonable to me to allow for variations such as that when someone borrows information from someone else from another part of the Country. I'm not proud or particular. If I see a good idea somewhere that we can use, I'll steal it. Thanks Bro.
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    Originally posted by sbfdco1
    BOU -

    While I agree this list is indeed needed, and Thanks for posting it, I just don't understand why should we have to tell a new guy if something is dirty then clean it. This list, I believe, was "written" by those old timers who paid the price long before us. You didn't have to tell them to be aggressive! I guess my point is, or my observation, is this "generation" is lazy and lacks disciplined.

    --climbing off soap box--

    .
    We go through this crap on a daily basis. Should you have to tell adults this? NO! Do you have to tell adults this? AB-SO-FREAKIN-LUTELY!!!!!

    Some people come to this job with a tremendous work ethic. Those people are not the ones that need this list. There are others that will get by on bare minimums. BIN-GO!!!!

    If you set the standard early, then everyone...EVERYONE...knows what is expected.

    Bou....Great list, thanks for the thoughts.

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