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    Unhappy You would'nt walk across a golf club in stilletoes would you?

    FIREMEN FACING AXE FROM THEIR UNION - FOR SAVING LIVES

    FIREFIGHTERS face been thrown out of their union for agreeing to take part in a new scheme that has helped save dozens of lives.

    The hardling Fire Brigades Union has launched an investigation into seven retained, (paid on call), officers from from Lincolnshire (UK), who have taken part in a project where fire crews respond to medical emergencies where ambulance crews are not immediately available.

    If the severn are judged to have broken the rules, as seems likely, they face having their membership terminated.

    The furious men last night accused the FBU of launching a witch hunt and said they were only doing their duty. One of the seven, Sub Officer Gary Churchill, 39 said, " I joined the fire service to save lives and protect the public, and thats what this is all about. The FBU is being absolutley childish".

    "In parts of Lincolnshire it can take 20 or 30 minutes to get an ambulance out to someone, and, if we can get there first, it can literally save a life".

    The project, called the Co Responder Scheme aims to get help to heart attack victims within eight minutes of a 999 call, thereby drastically improving their chances of survival.

    All the brigades firefighters have been trained inemergency first aid, and equipped with specialist life saving equipment including oxygen and defibrillators. But, only the brigades retained staff, who number 350 have actually taken part in the scheme, responding to 55 emergencvies since March and giving life saving care until ambulance crews arrived.

    Their full time colleagues have adhered to an FBU ruling not to get involved. The union is bitterly opposed to the scheme because it claims it is an attempt to force its members to work as surrogate ambulance crews.

    Mike Thomas, Lincolnshires Deputy Chief Fire Officer said, "Its a real shame the FBU did not put pressure on full time fire fighters to take part, because, on the whole, they want to. They are frsutrated because their part time colleagues are going out on these calls. They are doing an ecellent job and getting plaudits from the community and the ambulance service".

    But FBU representative Barry Foster said, "This is the rule book. These are rules and conditions that these members signed up to whtn thye joined. Its part of being in a club, if you don;t like the rules, don't join. You would'nt walk across a golf club in stilletoes. This is about maintaining separate proffesional identies for two crucial life saving services".

    Mr Foster denied the men under investigation, dubbed The Grantham Seven, had been singled out, saying, "We can only respond to complaints we have received. If there are other members doing this and we receive a complaint we will act".


    (The Mail on Sunday August 29th 2004)

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    The service support groups range from 300 to 700 square miles - a total Service area of 2,237 square miles with 38 Stations - two wholetime, four day crewed and 32 retained.
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    Martinm,

    For what it is worth, it seems to me the union is making a HUGE mistake and turning what could be a public relations bonanza into a PR nightmare.

    By running what sounds like a First Responder level service, you spend very little money and get tons of positive contact with the community. People may not remember you for coming when the smoke alarm went off, but they will never forget you came to help when momma fell. The goodwill is priceless.

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    If this ain't Bass Ackwards, I don't know what is. We run the Ambulance Service, ALS and BLS, as an integral part of the Fire/Rescue service. The union locals that represent Career firefighters, as well as the organizations that represent the Volunteers, fully support providing these services. In our opinion, there is no better way to handle this type of work. As we tell people when we arrive with an assignment (normal Auto Accident run) of ALS Ambulance, BLS Ambulance, Heavy Rescue, Engine Company, and a Chief or two, "One call brings them all". It's the only way to do business.
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    When I was in the LFB, our only medical training was the basic St Johns First Aid Course. I have literally stood and watched people die because there was a delay in an ambulance arriving.(on one occasion we waited for nearly 45 minutes,the exception rather than the rule)Had we been an EMS system like we have here, then many of those who died would still be around today. Come on FBU, get those darn blinkers off.

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    The FBU is FUBAR on this issue.
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    At least we've found one area where the American fire service is doing better than the Brits!

    Seriously, my department is rather new in the EMS biz (only five years) and I have seen the results. We're providing a desperately needed service and the community is grateful for it. Come to think of it, the ambulance service is pretty happy, too. There really is no down side here if it's managed properly.
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    Talking Hey Martin..............

    BTW, A Golf Club is the stupid little stick that you hit the Golf Ball with. A Stilleto is a type of Knife. What the Heck??
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    Just to update on this story, this is the official line from the Union on the mattr...

    "All FBU membrs shall oppose and not participate in any proposed first responder scheme, or co-responder initiative, and if so involved shall cease their participation in any such scheme".

    Wonder how that fits with one of the other Union rules about all members being required to promote the efficiency of their service at all times...
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    Hwoods, you seem somewhat confused with the reference to stillettoes, In the UK ladies refer to high heeled shoes as "stiletto heels" Hence Martins saying stillettoes would F*** up the "green"

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    Any American union brethren wanna help bring the English union lads up to speed? Or should we let them suffer job cuts and station closings like other American departments that didn't wake up and realize that EMS was here to stay?

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    Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but is it really a Union upset with and forbidding it's members to volunteer? Go figure.
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    Originally posted by protomkv
    Hwoods, you seem somewhat confused with the reference to stillettoes, In the UK ladies refer to high heeled shoes as "stiletto heels" Hence Martins saying stillettoes would F*** up the "green"

    Thanks, but my remark was a tongue in cheek reference to our differences in phraseology. I sometimes poke a bit (Humorously) at Martin and Steve, since the British do not speak American English. Not only that, they drive on the wrong side of the road too.
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    I sometimes poke a bit (Humorously) at Martin and Steve, since the British do not speak American English. Not only that, they drive on the wrong side of the road too.
    And they drink their beer warm...yuck.


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    And they drink their beer warm...yuck.

    I guess I walked into that one HW. I get a lot of stick here in Los Alamos about the different phraseology, but I always remind them that paybacks are a bitch.LOL. I always tell the guys her that in the UK they drive on the left which is right, we drive on the right which is wrong! As to the beer issue, ther is nothing quite like a real pint (20 0z not 16) of Flowers bitter, its not drunk Ice cold , but just cold enough so that the aroma can still be smelt and tasted, Ive gotten used to what is laughingly called beer here, but it aint the same.

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    And on the subject of speaking english, I was at the checkout in a store, the girl behind the counter asked where I was from, I replied from England. In a very surprised voice she said"Oh do they speak english in England"

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    Protomkv, you are obviously a fan, like myself of the finer things in life, REAL ALE, (I guess you will have to explain the REAL part to your buddies!). I was going to post a Flowers bottle, but the old place bit the dust a while back. Hope this one tastes as good. Enjoy

    On a lighter note than this post, the pay rise has come through and with it the spectre of strike action has been lifted. Hopefully for ever. I'll raise a glass of ANYTHING to that with anyone.
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    Hi Martin,
    Thanks for the pic of a real ale.Adnams is also a very worthwhile pint, Ive sunk a few of them over the years. Great news on the pay issue, I raise a glass to that, but one thing for sure, the glass wont have bud light in it, that stuff is pure horse p***.

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