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    I was glad to read on FH today that FDNY's FF Union is going to announce its support for Bush. It's good to see a big FF organization backing him and not being swayed by IAFF's backing of Kerry. I am certainly proud to be an IAFF member and a 100% union man, but it would have been nice to be polled to see who the membership wanted to back rather then be told. I know this political debate has been discussed, but just throwing it out there.

    On another note, seems http://www.firefightersforbush.com/ is still going strong as well.

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    I also am glad to see FDNY take their stance on backing President Bush as well. Just for the record, we backed President Bush in 2000 as well as endorsing him this time. MPFFA Local-215 IAFF

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    Originally posted by jasper45
    I also am glad to see FDNY take their stance on backing President Bush as well. Just for the record, we backed President Bush in 2000 as well as endorsing him this time. MPFFA Local-215 IAFF
    I saw you guys during the convention broadcast a few nights back. Good on ya for not simply following the national leadership, which has always been solidly in the Democrat pocket.
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    Why is everyone so supportive of Bush, what has he done good for this country? He put us into an unnecessary war, Iraq isn't, wasn't, shouldn't be our responsibility. He supports the wealthy more than anyone else (and traditionally firefighters are not in that category, if you are, more power to you). In general during his reign, I haven't seen anything good happen.

    Kerry may not be great, but I feel he's the lesser of two evils.

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    If you want a wishy-washy do-nothing, Kerry is your man! If you want a pres. that has actually done something, unlike our last one, vote for Bush.
    "Illegitimis non carborundum."

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    What did he do though?

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    President George W. Bush’s first term has been among the most consequential and successful in modern times. Under his leadership, the United States is waging and winning the war against global terrorism. The United States and its coalition partners liberated more than 50 million people from two regimes of extraordinary brutality that had provided safe haven to terrorists. And we are promoting democracy in regions of the world that have never known it.

    The United States military is receiving the strongest support from a commander-in-chief in two decades. President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction – and he has signed one of the most sweeping arms reduction pacts in history. America is in the process of deploying a missile defense that will help protect the United States and its allies from catastrophic attacks. President Bush signed into law landmark legislation that better prepares our defense establishment to meet the challenges of the 21st century – and he announced the most comprehensive restructuring of US military forces overseas since the end of the Korean War.

    During his first term, President Bush has signed into law three major tax cuts, including the largest in two decades – and since the summer of 2003, America has had the fastest-growing economy of any major industrialized nation in the world. Under President Bush’s leadership, the economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years. The homeownership rate has been at a record high. Interest and mortgage rates have been near historic lows. The core rate of inflation over the past year ranks among its lowest in 40 years. The rate of growth of Federal spending is slowing, jobs are being created at a brisk pace (1.3 million jobs in the first six months of this year), and the unemployment rate today remains below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.

    President Bush signed into law the No Child Left Behind Act, the most important Federal education reform in history, one that insists that testing, accountability, and high standards will accompany record new resources. Medicare has been modernized, prescription drug coverage has been added, and Americans now have the opportunity to use Health Savings Accounts, tax-free accounts designed to help individuals save for health expenses. Faith-based groups are receiving unprecedented support and encouragement. And President Bush signed into law the most far-reaching reform of American business practices since the time of Franklin Roosevelt.

    To ensure the safety of our citizens, President Bush has implemented the most sweeping changes in the organization of our national security institutions since World War II. With the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, America has seen the most extensive reorganization of the Federal government since President Truman. President Bush has proposed the most thoroughgoing reorganization of the intelligence community in more than a half century. And thanks to the USA PATRIOT Act, Federal law enforcement agencies can better share information, track terrorists, and protect American lives.

    President Bush has strongly advocated open markets for American goods; affordable, reliable, and secure energy supplies; and environmental standards that are making America’s water and air cleaner. In the social realm, he has championed a culture of life and a new culture of responsibility; the strengthening and defense of marriage; judges who strictly and faithfully interpret the law; and stronger work requirements for welfare recipients. He has made civility a touchstone of his rhetoric. He has put together an Administration comprising enormously talented men and women – and one with more diversity in senior positions than any in history.

    These achievements are anchored in a set of core beliefs: America is a defender and promoter of freedom – and the advance of freedom brings peace. We must lead the world with strength and confidence. Religion should not be banned from the public square. Government should encourage ownership and opportunity, compassion and responsibility. The proper role of government is to create the environment in which small business owners and entrepreneurs will take risks and invest, hire workers and spark economic growth.

    The last four years have been a time of extraordinary challenges. They include the horrific terrorist attack on the American homeland; global wars; an economy that was sliding toward recession when President Bush took office; and the revelation of corporate scandals long in the making that undermined investor confidence.

    Such times demand a leader of clear convictions and determination, hope and vision, integrity and the courage to act. These qualities are the hallmarks of the Bush Presidency. There is much that remains to be done – yet as this document illustrates, an enormous amount has already been accomplished. President George W. Bush put forward a historically ambitious agenda and restored dignity to the office he holds. He has provided steady leadership in the face of unprecedented challenges. The United States is safer and stronger, more resilient and better for his efforts.
    "Illegitimis non carborundum."

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    Waging and Winning the War on Terror
    “Great harm has been done to us. We have suffered great loss. And in our grief and anger we have found our mission and our moment. Freedom and fear are at war. The advance of human freedom – the great achievement of our time, and the great hope of every time – now depends on us. Our nation – this generation – will lift a dark threat of violence from our people and our future. We will rally the world to this cause by our efforts, by our courage. We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.”

    – President George W. Bush, September 20, 2001

    The Accomplishments

    Fighting Global Terrorism

    President Bush launched a global effort to defeat terrorism and to protect and defend America. During his term in office, the President has led a steady and systematic campaign against global terrorists and their allies.
    Since the terrorist attacks on September 11th, the United States has waged two of the swiftest and most humane wars in history (in Afghanistan and Iraq). Fifty million people have been liberated from two of the world’s most brutal and aggressive regimes – and the terrorists’ foreign operating bases are being taken away.
    Massive damage has been inflicted on al Qaeda and its terror allies. Of those directly involved in organizing the September 11th attacks, almost all are now in custody or confirmed dead.
    Of the senior al Qaeda and associated leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the United States has been tracking, more than two-thirds have been detained, captured, or killed. These include Mohammed Atef, al Qaeda’s senior field commander killed in a bombing raid in Afghanistan; Abu Zubaida, Osama bin Laden’s field commander after the killing of Atef, captured in Pakistan; Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the September 11th attacks, captured in Pakistan; Ramzi Binalshibh, a coordinator of the September 11th attacks, captured in Pakistan; Hambali, top strategist for al Qaeda's associate group Jemaah Islamiah in Southeast Asia, captured in Thailand; Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, al Qaeda’s chief of operations in the Persian Gulf, captured in the United Arab Emirates; Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a suspect in the 1998 bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, captured in Pakistan; and Abu Issa al–Hindi, a central planner of detailed reconnaissance of American financial institutions, captured in Britain.
    Operational and logistical terrorist support cells have been disrupted in Europe, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Southeast Asia.
    Nearly $140 million in terrorist assets have been blocked in over 1,400 accounts worldwide.
    We are working closely with intelligence services all over the globe and have enhanced our intelligence capabilities in order to trace dangerous weapons activity.
    The War to Liberate Afghanistan

    In Operation Enduring Freedom, the United States built a worldwide coalition of 70 countries that destroyed terrorist training camps, dismantled the brutal Taliban regime, denied al Qaeda a safe haven in Afghanistan, and saved a people from starvation.
    Today, Afghanistan has a new president, Hamid Karzai, and a new constitution that gives unprecedented rights and freedoms to all Afghans.
    Historic presidential and parliamentary elections are planned for this fall and the following spring. America will launch an ambitious training program for newly-elected Afghan politicians.
    Preliminary figures indicate that nearly nine million Afghan citizens (91 percent of the electorate) have so far registered to vote.
    Three years ago, women in Afghanistan were whipped in the streets, executed in a sports stadium, and beaten for wearing brightly-colored shoes. Schooling was denied to girls. Today, the constitution gives women the right to vote and guarantees freedom of expression, assembly, and religion. Young girls are attending school. Two Afghan cabinet ministers are women, and a woman leads the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission.
    One hundred forty-five health care facilities have been constructed or rehabilitated. The coalition has trained thousands of Afghan health care professionals, treated 700,000 cases of malaria, and inoculated close to 4.5 million children against measles and other childhood diseases.
    More than 200 schools have been rebuilt; 7,000 teachers have been trained; and 25 million textbooks have been provided to Afghan students.
    The coalition is training a modern Afghan national army to defend its borders, root out terrorists, and promote national unity. There are now close to 25,000 trained Afghan police officers and the Afghan police are on track to achieve their goal of up to 50,000 trained officers by December 2005.
    The War to Liberate Iraq
    On March 19, 2003, the United States and its coalition partners launched Operation Iraqi Freedom. Three weeks later, Saddam Hussein’s regime was toppled from power. Today the former dictator is awaiting trial in prison rather than ruling in a palace. A regional threat and state-sponsor of terrorism has been removed. Sovereignty has been transferred to the Iraqi people, and free elections will be held in January 2005.
    The international community has pledged at least $32 billion to rebuild and improve schools, health care, roads, water, agriculture, electricity, and other elements of Iraq’s infrastructure.
    Schools and clinics have been renovated and reopened, and power plants, hospitals, water and sanitation facilities, and bridges and roads are being rehabilitated. Since the liberation of Iraq, food and electricity are now distributed more equally across the country.
    Iraq’s oil infrastructure is being rebuilt, with production capacity reaching between 2.3 and 2.5 million barrels of oil per day.
    Saddam Hussein’s regime spent $16 million in 2002 on health care – less than one dollar per Iraqi per year. Iraq’s budget for the Ministry of Health is now $950 million.
    More and more Iraqi children are attending schools. Attendance in the 2003-2004 school year is as high as, or in some cases higher than, pre-conflict levels. More than eight million new textbooks have been distributed around the country.
    Iraqi university students and scholars are now able to communicate and travel abroad freely, reconnecting Iraqi higher education with the international academic community after decades of isolation.
    Iraqis now have an ever-growing free press, including newspapers, internet, radio stations, and satellite television networks.
    Small businesses are opening in Iraq, creating new jobs for Iraqis.
    A year and a half ago, Iraq was an enemy of America and the civilized world; today it is an ally of both.
    Recruiting New Allies in the War on Terror
    Three years ago, Pakistan was one of the few countries in the world that recognized the Taliban regime, and al Qaeda was active and recruiting in Pakistan without serious opposition. Today, the United States and Pakistan are working closely in the fight against terror, and Pakistani forces are rounding up terrorists along the nation’s western border.
    Three years ago, terrorists were established in Saudi Arabia. Inside that country, fundraisers and other facilitators gave al Qaeda financial and logistical help with little scrutiny or opposition. Today, after attacks in Riyadh and elsewhere, Saudi Arabia is working to shut down the facilitators and financial supporters of terrorism, and they have captured or killed many leaders of the al Qaeda organization in Saudi Arabia.
    Three years ago, Yemen stonewalled the investigation of the USS Cole bombing. Today, Yemeni authorities have moved against al Qaeda in their own territory; hosted Army Special Forces to train and advise Yemeni troops in counterterrorism; and increased contacts with the Defense Department, CIA, and FBI. In November 2002, Yemeni authorities allowed a US Predator drone to kill six al Qaeda operatives in Yemen, including senior al Qaeda leader Abu Ali al-Harithi.
    Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, has moved against Jemaah Islamiah, the al Qaeda-linked Islamic terrorist organization, and has arrested its suspected leader, radical cleric Abubakar Baasyir.
    The US military has trained and advised Philippine troops in Philippine-led anti-terror operations, such as those against the Abu Sayyaf Islamic terrorist group.
    Halting the Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
    President Bush led the creation of the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI), a broad international partnership of more than 60 countries that is interdicting lethal materials in transit. These nations are sharing intelligence information, tracking suspect international cargo, and conducting joint military exercises.
    As a result of the PSI, American and British intelligence discovered advanced components intended to build nuclear weapons that were being shipped to Libya. German and Italian authorities helped seize the materials. And confronted with the discovery, Libya voluntarily agreed to end its WMD programs.
    American and British intelligence officers uncovered and shut down a sophisticated black market network headed by A.Q. Khan, the architect of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, which sold nuclear technologies and equipment to outlaw regimes stretching from North Africa to the Korean Peninsula.
    President Bush spearheaded the establishment of the G-8 Global Partnership, which over 10 years will provide $20 billion in nonproliferation and weapons reduction assistance to the former Soviet Union. This represents a dramatic increase in US and allied efforts.
    In the former Soviet Union, 41 percent of the 600 metric tons of weapons-usable material that was previously determined to be vulnerable has been secured. US-Russian efforts have shortened by two years the timeline for securing weapons-usable nuclear material at 51 sites in Russia and other former Soviet states.
    The Bush Administration launched the Megaports Initiative, a global nuclear material detection effort focused on major seaports to the United States. It is helping stem illicit trafficking of nuclear and radiological materials.
    Since 2001, the United States has installed radiation detection equipment at 39 Russian border sites to deter and interdict trafficking in nuclear and radioactive materials.
    President Bush proposed that only states that have signed the Additional Protocol – which requires states to declare a broad range of nuclear activities and facilities and allows the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to inspect those facilities – be allowed to import equipment for their civilian nuclear programs.
    The President has proposed the creation of a special committee of the IAEA Board that will focus intensively on safeguards and verification.
    "Illegitimis non carborundum."

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    Strengthening our Military

    President Bush has increased defense spending by more than one-third – the largest increase in a generation.
    The President has increased military research and development by more than 50 percent.
    President Bush signed into law landmark legislation that better prepares our defense establishment to meet the challenges of the 21st century. A military that was designed for the challenges of the mid-to-late 20th century is being transformed into a lighter, more flexible, more agile, and more lethal force – one better able to deal with new threats to our national security.
    President Bush announced the most comprehensive restructuring of US military forces overseas since the end of the Korean War. By closing bases no longer needed to meet Cold War threats that have ended, this new initiative will bring home many Cold War-era forces while deploying more flexible and rapidly deployable capabilities in strategic locations around the world.
    Deploying a Missile Defense
    The President has doubled investment in a missile defense system.
    The United States will soon deploy a functioning missile defense system to protect Americans from nuclear threats posed by rogue regimes – and will deploy the first land and sea-based system.
    The United States is acting with the support and cooperation of Australia, Britain, Japan, and other nations to establish a missile defense capability with support sites on multiple continents.
    The Department of Defense has conducted several successful tests of a national missile defense system in which an incoming missile was intercepted and destroyed.
    Strengthening the NATO Alliance
    President Bush has been a leader in transforming NATO to make it effective in the 21st century and the global war on terror.
    In 2004, NATO welcomed seven new members from Central and Eastern Europe into the Alliance.
    NATO leaders and Russian President Vladimir Putin created the NATO-Russia Council to facilitate consultation and joint action.
    The Alliance commands the International Security Assistance Force (consisting of more than 6,000 troops) that is helping secure and rebuild a free Afghanistan. Afghanistan is NATO’s first mission outside of Europe.
    NATO allies are contributing troops to the coalition in Iraq and NATO leaders have agreed to help train Iraq’s new security forces.
    NATO launched the Istanbul Cooperation Initiative, which will increase cooperative security efforts with the broader Middle East in areas including counterterrorism and halting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
    The United States proposed with Norway a measure to adopt a “zero tolerance” policy on human trafficking in areas of NATO operations. NATO will develop specific measures to support local efforts to combat trafficking. Two hundred thousand victims of trafficking are transported through the Balkans each year, a region where NATO has a significant presence.
    Supporting Military Families and Veterans
    Since President Bush took office, basic pay for service members has increased by more than 20 percent – and the increase in payments for food and housing combined has reached 50 percent.
    Funding for child care services has increased by $21.5 million.
    The Military Family Tax Relief Act of 2003 provides tax relief and other benefits to members of the armed services and their families.
    President Bush has proposed unprecedented levels of funding for veterans. His 2005 budget represents an increase in overall funding for our nation’s veterans by almost $20 billion – or 40 percent – since 2001. The President has increased funding for our veterans more in four years than funding was increased in the previous eight years.
    Since 2001, President Bush’s four budgets for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) have provided a more than 40 percent increase in veterans’ medical care spending alone.
    Changes have been implemented to ensure that veterans receive timely, quality medical care. Waiting lists for medical care have been essentially eliminated and the processing time for disability claims has been reduced by 30 percent.
    The President’s budgets have allowed 2.5 million more veterans to enroll for health care; outpatient visits to increase from 44 million to 54 million; the number of prescriptions filled to increase from 98 million to 116 million; and 194 new community-based clinics to open.
    President Bush has twice signed legislation effectively providing “concurrent receipt” of both military retired pay and disability compensation for those military retirees most deserving, combat injured and highly disabled, reversing a century-old law.
    The President has committed $1.5 billion in his 2004 and 2005 budgets to increase outpatient health care services for veterans, to build new hospitals, and to modernize or replace outdated pre-World War II facilities. Through the Capital Asset Realignment for Enhanced Services (CARES) plan, the VA is working to better distribute its network of clinics and hospitals so that the vast majority of veterans are within 30 miles of a VA community-based outpatient clinic or similar facility.
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    I have 18 more posts if you would like to see them.
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    The Accomplishments

    A Growing Economy

    Since last summer, the American economy has grown at the fastest rate of any major industrialized nation.
    America's economy has been growing at rates as fast as any in nearly 20 years.
    Nearly 1.5 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and 1.3 million new jobs have been created this year alone. The unemployment rate today is below the average unemployment rate of the 1970s, the 1980s, and the 1990s.
    From 2000 to 2003, productivity grew at the fastest three-year rate in more than a half-century, raising the standard of living for all Americans.
    The Conference Board's index of leading indicators has risen at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent since March 2003 - the fastest 15-month period of increase in 20 years - suggesting vibrant economic growth in the near term.
    The stock market regained more than $4 trillion in equity since its low in mid-2002. In 2003 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 25 percent and the NASDAQ rose 50 percent.
    Manufacturing activity expanded in July 2004 for the 14th consecutive month.
    Real after-tax incomes are up 11 percent since December 2000.
    Interest rates reached their lowest levels in decades during the Bush Administration.
    Homeownership reached an all-time high and mortgage rates reached their lowest level in decades.
    During the Bush Administration, we have experienced one of the lowest core inflation rates (averaging two percent per year) in the past 40 years.

    Historic Tax Relief
    President Bush, working closely with Congress, provided the largest tax relief in a generation.
    The President secured enactment of three major tax relief bills, providing tax relief to every taxpayer who pays income tax while completely eliminating the income tax burden for nearly five million families.
    In 2004, taxpayers will receive, on average, a tax cut of $1,586.
    The marriage penalty for low and moderate income taxpayers has been reduced. In 2004, 49 million married couples will receive an average tax cut of $2,602.
    The child tax credit has been doubled, increasing from $500 to $1,000. In 2004, 43 million families with children will receive an average tax cut of $2,090.
    Twenty-five million small business owners will receive tax relief averaging $3,001. The President's tax relief also provides America's businesses with incentives to invest in new equipment to make their workers more productive and to create new jobs.
    President Bush, working with Congress, is phasing out the death tax.
    Providing Job Training

    President Bush proposed the Jobs for the 21st Century initiative, providing more than a half-billion dollars in funding for new education and job training initiatives. The plan includes $250 million to fund partnerships between community colleges and employers to help Americans prepare for the higher-skilled, higher-paying jobs of the new century, and $33 million for expanded Pell Grants for low-income students.
    The Bush Administration proposed $23 billion for job training and employment assistance in 2005.
    The President proposed a $50 million Personal Reemployment Accounts pilot program, allowing unemployed workers who have the hardest time finding jobs to choose the services they need to return to work, including assistance with training, child care, and transportation costs.
    President Bush has supported extension of Federal unemployment benefits three times, providing more than $23 billion to help almost eight million American workers.
    President Bush proposed to reform major Federal job training programs to double the number of people trained, and to ensure more people receive flexible Innovation Training Accounts which allow workers to make choices about the skills they need.

    Helping America's Small Businesses
    President Bush's historic tax relief reduced marginal income tax rates across-the-board, benefiting the more than 90 percent of small businesses that pay taxes at individual income tax rates. In 2004, 25 million small businesses will save, on average, $3,001 due to the President's tax relief.
    President Bush raised from $25,000 to $100,000 the amount that small businesses can expense for new capital investments, reducing the cost of purchasing new machinery, computers, trucks, and other qualified investments.
    The number of women-owned businesses has continued to grow at twice the rate of all United States businesses. Women are now the owners of 10.6 million businesses in the country, which generate $3.6 trillion in sales, and between 1997 and 2002, employment at majority-women-owned private companies increased by 30 percent.
    The Bush Administration proposed and supports Association Health Plans (AHPs) to help employees of small businesses afford health coverage.
    The regulatory burden on small businesses has been reduced. Small business owners have also been given a bigger voice on ways to improve regulations.
    The Administration has implemented new regulations that help small businesses compete for Federal procurement dollars and streamlined the appeals process.
    Promoting Minority Small Businesses

    Business loans to minorities increased by 40 percent in 2003.
    President Bush proposed a 21 percent increase for the Minority Business Development Agency, the largest increase in more than a decade.

    Supporting Technological Innovation
    President Bush has proposed the largest Federal research and development budget in history.
    President Bush proposed making permanent the research and experimentation tax credit to promote private sector investment in new technologies and manufacturing techniques.
    The President created a new math and science partnership program to improve teacher training and student learning. The President's 2005 budget meets his commitment to fully fund his five-year, $1 billion goal.
    The Bush Administration set a national goal of universal, affordable access to broadband technology by the year 2007 - and it has opposed all efforts to tax access to broadband.

    Restraining Federal Spending and Improving Government Efficiency
    President Bush brought the annual rate of growth in non-security discretionary spending down from 15 percent in the last budget enacted during the Clinton Administration to a proposed 0.5 percent for next year.
    The President's budget will put the country on a path toward cutting the deficit in half from its peak over the next five years. And better progress is being made than anticipated just six months ago. Rising revenues, spurred by a growing economy, are decreasing the deficit faster than anticipated.
    The Bush Administration launched the President's Management Agenda (PMA) to make the Federal government more results-oriented and accountable. For the first time, a majority of agencies evaluate their employees based on how well they are performing relative to clear expectations. Departments and agencies have assessed the performance of more than 600 programs, representing approximately $1.4 trillion in Federal spending, And by working to eliminate more than $35 billion in improper payments and producing more timely and accurate financial information, more Federal agencies than ever are being held accountable for spending the taxpayers' money wisely.
    The Bush Administration has achieved the biggest overhaul of the Federal civil service system in a quarter-century and opened up hundreds of thousands of Federal jobs to competition. The result is that government provides better results at lower costs to taxpayers.
    "Illegitimis non carborundum."

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    Summarize that into some main points so I don't spend the next 7 hours reading all of that?

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    Summary: He has been for the last four years, is, and shall be a great president for the next four years.

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    Honestly,
    can someone just give me a bullet point list stating accomplishments that he has had over the last 4 years?

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    Please, please, please stop telling us about how great President Bush is supporting the military by raising the Defense budget. All that additional $ is being spent on operations in Iraq. At the end of Iraqi Freedom, our military's equipment will be in the worst shape it has ever been in. There is NO money for new equipment, the new stuff keeps getting put off into the future to fix the junk we have now, which is being worn out years ahead of it's planned replacement. My service is stuck with ARFF trucks that are 19 years old now, with no possibility of funding to replace them until at least 2008. Our primary troop lift helicopters average 35-40 years old. Those are just a couple of examples.

    President Bush has fought to reduce every pay increase for the military since the war began, and has argued voiciferously against increased benefits for Guard and Reserve members-in order to save $ to spend on the new Star Wars program. They even reduced the Family Separation Allowance back to pre-war levels for those not deployed in a war zone-they would have reduced it for all if they could have. The Navy and Air Force are about to RIF tens of thousands of members, but the Army and Marines are only getting a few thousand more troops. I personally know Reserve and Guard members looking at their second or third deployment in two years-self included-and I don't see a lot of concern for them by our federal government. Troops coming back from deployment are separating from the service as fast as they can.

    The VA is getting their money for a reason-to care for all the new wounded troops coming from Iraq and Afghanistan. While that is only a part of it, don't you think he's playing all those senior citizen vets for votes? Senior citizen veterans are more likely to vote Republican than someone who's unemployment ran out.

    As far as that great missile defense program goes, I'm a lot more worried about a terrorist with a few pounds of C-4 blowing a train track and derailing a train full of chlorine and ammonia in my first due district than I am about nukes. I'd rather see the $ spent on that threat-but that doesn't help any international corporation and it's CEO to make a fistful of cash.

    Note that I didn't say that I am against the War. I voted for President Bush in 2000. I may even vote for him again. But I'm getting sick of the partyline crap about how great he's been to the military. I've seen the results of his policies firsthand. Our government is trying to get by on the cheap, and the stress is on the backs of our servicemembers.

    Sorry for the rant. Can't we just go back to talking about "Rescue Me"?

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    Talking Now, If You Want A Poll................

    You guys want to do a poll on Firefighters Opinions, How about one on Harold Schaitberger's chances of getting reelected General President of the IAFF? That is a controversy around here now. Seems that many folks think all he is interested in is becoming Kerry's Labor Secretary. From my seat in the bleachers, Bush seems to have solid support from the rank and file. I am voting for Bush, as is everyone in our family that is able to vote in November. Kerry, in our opinion, is just a Kennedy Wannabe, nothing more.
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    I too am a Proud IAFF Member, and also a Proud supporter for Pres. George W. Bush.

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    Default Re: Now, If You Want A Poll................

    Originally posted by hwoods
    You guys want to do a poll on Firefighters Opinions, How about one on Harold Schaitberger's chances of getting reelected General President of the IAFF? That is a controversy around here now. Seems that many folks think all he is interested in is becoming Kerry's Labor Secretary. From my seat in the bleachers, Bush seems to have solid support from the rank and file. I am voting for Bush, as is everyone in our family that is able to vote in November. Kerry, in our opinion, is just a Kennedy Wannabe, nothing more.

    That would be a good poll. I have not been too impressed with Schaitberger or his apparent agenda. Very proud of the IAFF, just not so sure our leader is always looking out for our best interests.
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    Why is it that so many people support him, but they can't just list some of his accomplishments (in an easy to read manner), that's all I'm looking for.

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    Maybe because there are 4 posts above that take a total of 20 minutes to read.
    Maybe because it would take longer to cut and paste them into 1 short list than to read the 4 posts above.


    Let's see, Kerry been in Senate for 20 years...wasn't he in Senate these 4 years that Bush has been President? Check out the other threads here about his voting record. Here...

    Tell us briefly, point by point, what has he done?
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    "any serious person who looked around the world this week would have to wonder what the delegates at the g.o.p. convention were so happy about." New York Times

    As I was reading your first post 430, I started a list to refute you point by point. Unfortunately, I haven’t the time or the concentration to do that, so I’ll speak more generally (and try to keep it civil!) I'm sure I'll get flamed since the democrats seem to be outnumbered here, but what they heck, here goes.

    First, on the war. I will start by saying I am a democrat, but a conservative one. When it comes to the war on Iraq, supporters constantly want to argue about the evil Hussein represents. The guy had to go, this is without debate- but the problem most people, such as myself, have with the war is not the action but the way we were told. Information was falsified, the public was lied to, and it was not the time for us to get involved in a war such as this one. The military is stretched too thin and soldiers are not always being treated fairly. Discharge dates are being changed; reservists who just returned home from an extended tour have been recalled already. The military was restructured because the President had no other choice. We took troops away from the border of North and South Korea, a border more volatile today than it has been in decades. The main concern I have is that the action in Iraq inspires more terrorism. It is inaccurate to believe we are truly winning a war on terror simply because we’ve grabbed some of their leaders. Unfortunately, the more we intervene in the Arab world, or even the Southeast Asia world, the more hatred and resentment breeds. By invading Iraq without international support, we make ourselves more vulnerable. Republicans always bring up Clinton’s failings as the reason for terrorism. Yet it was Clinton who ordered strikes against al Qaeda, and Bush’s administration that let al Qaeda escape from view, until 9/11. And WHY do we want to pay so much money for the strategic defense system without ANY proof that it has EVER worked?

    The economy, oh the wonderful economy. The mortgage rate you brought up is based on the interest rate. The interest rate is determined by the Federal Reserve based upon the strength of the economy. A high rate and they are attempting to slow an economy down, moderate means all is well, and a low rate, as you pointed out, means the economy needs help. The rate is very low now, meaning the economy needs a lot of help. Job creation is a joke as well, as it shows how anyone can twist the numbers. Republicans can look at 19,000 jobs created and say that’s 19,000 jobs last month. Likewise, the Democrats can look at the 19,000 jobs and compare it to the 20,000 jobs lost during the same period. And if the economy is so good, where’s the money? Almost every state has gone from the black to the red, and services are being cut. Looking for more manpower? Sorry boys and girls, but grants (not fire act) have not been coming in. Towns are applying for the million dollars in grants they normally get and are get awards of $2000. Need examples? Ask someone from Oregon, the state that has faired the worst from the economic stagnation. At night there are 6 state troopers in the entire state, and they just hope they can get enough funding to bring that number to 8!

    The administration has consistently helped big business further monopolize and drive costs up/ Need instances? Halliburton (sp), the airline industry, and pharmaceuticals. “Kerry flip flops” but what about Bush? North Korea says they have nukes and we won’t negotiate with them, according to Bush. Well aren’t we now in negotiations? Not changing your mind is stubborn and not a trait of a responsible leader. It’s called learning from experience. Think about the first time you opened a fog nozzle during a job- you steam up the room and get burned- is it responsible to say you won’t change that?

    The environment is a joke. His first appointment to the EPA was a woman who, as Governor of NJ (no jokes here ha-ha) sold the state’s waterways and open areas to both legal and illegal dumping.

    Aside from trying to cut the FIRE act, a Clinton initiative, what has Bush done for us? Money was promised to NYC after 9/11 from the Federal Government, where is it?

    Like I said, I could (and have) written many pages of argument, but it simply doesn’t make for good reading on a board dedicated to firefighting. If you have specific questions, other than what has Kerry done, I’ll be happy to answer them.

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    I asked this in another thread and got no response....

    There was a post on here that listed many people, including Kerry, making statements about WMD in Iraq. They were from 1993-2000+. There were at least 20 quotes. Why is it that all those people can make all those statements but only Bush is called a liar about it? He had the same misinformation all those others had, he just did something about it instead of yacking about it.

    "By invading Iraq without international support" - there are over 30 nations involved.

    "Yet it was Clinton who ordered strikes against al Qaeda" - 1 missile at an asprin factory is not quite a military event worth remembering.

    "And WHY do we want to pay so much money for the strategic defense system without ANY proof that it has EVER worked?" - have to agree on that one.

    "Almost every state has gone from the black to the red" - if they are anything like NJ, it's due to Governors spending more than they ever received.

    I can't argue about Whitless.

    "Money was promised to NYC after 9/11 from the Federal Government, where is it?" - NYC has received money from the Feds. They just have a crappy Mayor that puts it other places. Remember, closing firehouses in NYC is not Bush's fault/problem, it's Bloombergs.



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    Economies take YEARS to recover. It took over 4 years for the economy to recover in the early 80s, and it took a few years for it to recover in early 90s. It will take a bit to totally recover in this decade. It does not happen overnight. To think otherwise is rediculous for either party or candidate.

    The war, you have your views and many have theirs. Remember, numerous foreign leaders have been reported as stating that Iraq did have WMDs. Having worked in the intelligence field while I was in the Marine Corps, I can tell you 100% that intelligence is rarely totally accurate, and so much information gets by that is credible it would make your head spin. Hindsight is 20/20, but when dealing with the volumes of information in the variety of languages that it comes in, things are missed, misinterpreted, misread, and passed on. As for fabrication of it - I am not all that convinced of such occurring.

    The military is stretched too thin
    And they have been for decades, but with the number of people that we have, we cannot and have not been able to handle our situations for decades. This was reported on in the 90s (I am not slamming Clinton here) but the legislative and executive branches of the government did nothing to correct it. Equipment has not been modernized and replaced as it should be, vehicles were dead lined for MONTHS and even YEARS because money did not exist to repair them. The every troop transport helicopter in the Marine Corps inventory was designed during or before the Vietnam War. The Marine Corps, up until the mid 90s was using tanks from before the Vietnam War. Troop retention is and has been poor because of increased deployments, higher rotations, poor pay, and a variety of other reasons.

    As for complaints about National Guard and Reserve call ups, this is how the military was restructured during downsizing. It is cheaper to have a call up force when necessary than it is to have a full-time force all the time. Extensions of contracts stink, thankfully it did not occur to me, but it is in teh contract you sign. It didn't happen all that often, but it does on occassion. This is especially true in certain high demand positions.

    We took troops away from the border of North and South Korea, a border more volatile today than it has been in decades.
    Troops were only suggested to be rotated out permanently and that is not slated to occur until 2006 and after plans have been finalized with the ROK. Troops have always been rotated out adn called up from areas as needed, and this will continue.

    By invading Iraq without international support, we make ourselves more vulnerable.
    Explain to me how serving with and working with 40 other nations is lacking international support? We went in without UN supprt (for better or worse) but not without international support. Three countries - two of whom have very small militaries themselves - did not offer their backing for the invasion. We did not invade unilaterally, there were other countries supporting us, and there with us. They are still there with us. Dying with us. Sending mroe troops to serve with us. We have one of the largest militaries in teh world and only Russia, China, and N. Korea are larger, so obviously there are going to be tremendous variations in the number of troops available from other countries.

    And WHY do we want to pay so much money for the strategic defense system without ANY proof that it has EVER worked?
    Money must be spent n order to improve the system. With the proliferation of ICBMs from rogue nations (and those that are "friends" now who may become enemies) a system to improve defense should be at least persued more, don't you think? The system has been finanaced in a hodge podge manner and incosistently, so thinks just may not put together properly. At least research the idea - without partisanship and with an open mind - something BOTH parties need to realize.

    At night there are 6 state troopers in the entire state, and they just hope they can get enough funding to bring that number to 8!
    A shame. A damn shame. But frivolous spending is rampant in government at all levels. The federal government is not the answer to any local community's woes (with the exception of disaster). The state government should ensure that certain things are taken care of and prioritize things from there.

    Aside from trying to cut the FIRE act, a Clinton initiative, what has Bush done for us? Money was promised to NYC after 9/11 from the Federal Government, where is it?
    Again, why should I, in NC, buy a fire truck for someone in Texas, or Iowa? It is not a federal responsibility to provide your basic capital resources in a municipality. It is the failure of the local politicians and community to ensure that the necessary items are on hand.

    As for federal money after 9/11 for NYC - numerous posts and new articels exist about the money getting to NY state and to NYC, but not being allocated to the resources necessary. Perhaps the question should be to the state legislature and the NYC city council as to where the money went that was given to them.

    I do not care for Bush all that much, but I care for Kerry even less.

    He rails against jobs going overseas. For the past 30 years they have been going overseas. He was in the Senate for 22 of those years, and I have to ask what did he to prevent the loss of those jobs during those years?

    Kerry states that our military is not properly equiped. It hasn't been for years, but what has he done during his 22 year tenure to improve the equipment in the military?

    Kerry says the middle class is shrinking. A claim made for over 40 years, but what has he done in the past 22 years to change that? (remember all of those pesky tax increase votes?)

    Kerry says that the schools in this country are deplorable. They have been for years, but what has he done in the past 22 years to improve them?

    Kerry says that the No Child Left Behind Act has not been properly funded. Congress votes for the budget. What did he do to try and adequately fund it?

    Healthcare has been increasing in cost for decades, but what has Kerry done in the past 22 years to control those costs?

    Exorbitant liability insurance is causing a shift in care, a loss in care, a reduction in care, and a growing loss of practitioners over the last 8 - 10 years. What has he done to aid in this loss of health care providers while he was in office for the past 22 years?

    The US has not been pursuing the use of alternative fuels for decades. What has Kerry been doing to aid in this search for the past 22 years? (Remember, he opposes a wind farm in Nantucket sound where he just happens to own a mansion.)

    The list of what Kerry has NOT done in the past 22 years is a lengthy one. But he criticizes people for not doing the same thing, though they have only been in office for 3 years and 8 months. I truly must laugh at the hypocrisy of this.

    I lived in Massachusetts all of my life (until moving to NC this year). Kerry was a Senator for 21 years of that, and Lieutenant Governor (under Mike Dukakis of all people) for 2 years. He didn't do anything that I can recall for the state. And now he wishes to be the President of this nation?

    Mr. Kerry and Mr. Bush both promise a lot. But unfortunately the voter buys into those promises forgetting that nothing can be done without Congress.
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    What did he do though?

    Perhaps part of the problem is the perspective of the question.

    There's two strategic (although I disagree with the strategy...but agree with the goals) things he's done/proposing:

    -- Tax cuts.
    -- Partial privatization of social security.

    Both are aimed at limiting the continued growth of the federal government in the long term.

    The tax cuts put us on a footing of needing to cut spending as the economy improves and you don't need a Keynesian boost to goose it.

    Partial privatization of social security...removes the "trust fund" from being used to show a balanced federal budget. Right now we spend the social security money, putting in IOUs. If the FICA money is going into private accounts, in private investments like stocks & bonds, the Feds can't be exchanging it for IOUs as they do now.

    On a smaller scale, the California tax revolt of the 70s and it's limitations on property tax (again, with unintended consequences I don't necessarily agree with even if the end result is good) has forced local governments in that state to merge/cooperate/form Joint Powers Agreement. By limiting the ability to tax, they reduced parochialism (God help Connecticut/New York/New Jersey/Massachussets zillion parachoial jurisdictions if we ever imposed such controls!)

    If you believe the Federal Government already is too expansive and extensive, what he hasn't done may be more important to you.

    I don't think George W. is the best president ever, but between him and his staff they've been averagely effective.

    But I can say this -- he scares me a lot less then people like Gore or Kerry. He may not make the best decisions, but he makes them consistently, quickly, and sticks to his beliefs.
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    Aside from Rolling Stone, Time is about the most liberal mag there is. Look at this.


    Campaign 2004: Bush Opens Double-Digit Lead
    TIME Poll: Among likely voters, 52% would vote for President George Bush, while 41% would vote for John Kerry and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader



    Friday, Sep. 03, 2004
    New York: For the first time since the Presidential race became a two person contest last spring, there is a clear leader, the latest TIME poll shows. If the 2004 election for President were held today, 52% of likely voters surveyed would vote for President George W. Bush, 41% would vote for Democratic nominee John Kerry, and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader, according to a new TIME poll conducted from Aug. 31 to Sept. 2. Poll results are available on TIME.com and will appear in the upcoming issue of TIME magazine, on newsstands Monday, Sept. 6.

    Most important issues: When asked what they consider are the most important issues, 25% of registered voters cited the economy as the top issue, followed by 24% who cited the war on terrorism as the top issue. The situation in Iraq was rated the top issue by 17% of registered voters, moral values issues such as gay marriage and abortion were the top issue for 16% of respondents, and health care was the most important issue for 11% of respondents.

    Bush vs. Kerry:
    The economy: 47% trust President Bush more to handle the economy, while 45% trust Kerry.
    Health care: 48% trust Senator Kerry to handle health care issues, while 42% trust Bush.
    Iraq: 53% trust Bush to handle the situation in Iraq, while 41% trust Kerry.
    Terrorism: 57% trust Bush to handle the war on terrorism, while 36% trust Kerry.
    Understanding the needs of people: 47% said they trust Kerry to understand the needs of people like themselves, while 44% trusted Bush to understand their needs.
    Providing strong leadership: 56% said they trust Bush to provide strong leadership in difficult times, while 37% said they trust Kerry to provide leadership in difficult times.
    Tax policy: 49% trust Bush to handle tax policy, while 40% trust Kerry.
    Commanding the Armed Forces: 54% said they trust Bush to be commander-in-chief of the armed forces, while 39% said they trust Kerry.

    Bush on the Issues:
    Iraq: Half (50%) of those surveyed approve of the way President Bush is handling the situation in Iraq, while 46% disapprove. In last week’s TIME poll, 48% approved of the way Bush was handling the situation in Iraq and 48% disapproved.
    Terrorism: Almost two thirds (59%) said they approve of how President Bush is handling the war on terrorism, while 38% disapprove. Last week’s TIME poll found 55% approved of Bush’s handling of the war on terrorism, while 40% disapproved.
    The Economy: Survey respondents were split on the President’s handling of the economy. Almost half (48%) said the approved of Bush’s handling of the economy, while 48% said the disapproved.

    Other results include:
    Was U.S. Right Going to War with Iraq? Over half of those surveyed (52%) think the U.S. was right in going to war with Iraq, while 41% think the U.S. was wrong to go to war.

    Have the United States’ actions in Iraq made the world safer? Almost half (45%) think the United States’ actions in Iraq have made the world safer, while 45% think the world is more dangerous. In a similar TIME poll taken Aug. 3 – 5, over half (52%) said the world was more dangerous, and 38% said the world was safer.

    # # #

    Methodology: The TIME Poll was conducted August 31 – September 2 by telephone among a random sample of 1,316 adults, including 1,128 reported registered voters and 926 likely voters. The margin of error for registered voters is +/- 3% points, and +/- 4% points for likely voters. Schulman, Ronca, & Bucuvalas (SRBI) Public Affairs conducted the poll, and more complete results are attached.


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