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    Exclamation Top 10 Reasons John Kerry is Out of Touch with America

    John Kerry is out of touch with America's role in a changing world. In these challenging times and in this important election, John Kerry is the wrong choice for America.

    #1 Voting for Higher Taxes
    Kerry voted against President Bush's historic middle class tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. President Bush's tax relief agenda has resulted in significant benefits for America. This year:
    * 111 million individuals and families will receive an average tax cut of $1,586.
    * 49 million married couples will have an average tax cut of $2,602
    * 43 million families with children will receive an average tax cut of $2,090.
    * 14 million elderly indiviauals will see their taxes fall, on average, by $1,883.
    * 25 million small business owners will receive an average tax cut of $3,001.

    #2 Retreating on Education Reform
    While John Kerry delivers empty rhetoric and baseless attacks, President Bush has delivered on a historic promise to ensure every child in America can receive a quality education. Today, Kerry attacks the President's No Child Left Behind Act that he once called "groundbreaking" and criticizes education funding while skipping education votes. Kerry even voted six times against expanded Education Savings Accounts, which would have provided $4 billion in tax savings for parents towards their child's college tuition.

    #3 Voting Aginst Funding Our Tropps in the War on Terror
    John Kerry voted to go to war with Iraq, and then voted against providing our troops with the tools they need to get the job done. These funds provided body armor and other force protection measures such as armored Humvees, as well as health care for reservists, support for families and meals for injured soldiers. And during his time in the Senate, Kerry voted at least 12 times against pay increases for service members.

    #4 Slashing America's Intelligence Funding
    Even in the face of serious threats, not long after the first World Trade Center bombing, John Kerry proposed $7.5 billion in across the board intelligence cuts. During his nineteen years in Congress, Kerry has lead the charge to gut intelligence funds, proposing or supporing cuts of billions of dollars in intelligence spending. Despite all his proposed cuts to intelligence, Kerry said after September 11th, that intelligence is the most important weapon in the War on Terror. Kerry would also sunset vital provisions of the Patriot Act and deny law enforcement and intelligence agencies the tools needed to prevent terrorist attacks.

    #5 Weakening America's Defense
    John Kerry's record on defense and military spending is troubling. Kerry has repeatedly opposed the funding for weapons vital to winning the War on Terror, including: Bradley Fighting Vehicles, Patriot Missiles, B-2 Stealth Bombers, F-18 Fighter Jets and more. In the Senate, Kerry has repeatedly sought to slash billions of dollars in defense spending.

    #6 Replacing the Patriot Act
    Kerry would end the Patriot Act that is keeping America safe. Since the Partiot Act was passed, three terrorist sleeper cells have been broken up in the United States - in Buffalo, Portland, and Seattle - and 176 individuals have been convicted or pled guilty after being charged with terrorism-related crimes. In 2001, Kerry voted for the Patriot Act, saying, "Passage of this legislation is going to make it a lot more difficult for new terrorist organizations to develop." Now, Kerry bashes the Patriot Act and calls for replacing it with new law.

    #7 Harmful Higher Taxes
    Kerry voted against President Bush's historic middle class tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. He voted against marriage penalty releif at least 22 times; against expanding the child tax credit at least 18 times; and he voted at least 13 times against full repeal of the death tax. The Kerry plan for higher taxes and $1.9 trillion in new government spending would derail the President's pro-growth policies that helped create more than.

    #8 Higher Gas Taxes
    John Kerry has supported higher gas taxes at least 11 times as senator, including a 50 cent gas tax increase. He has repeatedly blocked the development of a national energy policy, which included responsible energy development and renewable energy proposals.

    #9 Opposing Faith-Based Programs
    John Kerry was actually for faith-based programs before he was against them. In 2001, Kerry said President Bush's faith-based plan had "the potential to be helpful." But in 2003, Kerry said the President's faith-based initiative crosses the line of church-state separation. He even said he would end government funding to any religious group. Unlike John Kerry, President Bush believes the government should view Americans who work in faith-based charities as partners, not as rivals.

    #10 Turning His Back on America's Senoirs
    John Kerry missed 36 out of 38 votes on the Medicare Reform and Prescription Drug Benefit, including final passage of the bill. While President Bush chose to empower America's senoirs with savings on prescription drugs, John Kerry chose to play politics and skip votes. Kerry decided to hit the campaign trail instead of attending the final vote because he felt it "was not going to make a difference."

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    America was born in pursuit of an idea - that a free people with diverse beliefs can govern themselves in peace.
    Throughout our history, we have forged powerful alliances to defend, encourage, and promote that idea around the world. Through two World Wars, the Cold War, the Gulf War and Kosovo, America led instead of going it alone. We respected the world - and the world respected us.

    Today, our leadership has walked away from more than a century of American leadership in the world to embrace a new - and dangerously ineffective - American disregard for the world. They bully instead of persuade. They act alone when they could assemble a team. They confuse leadership with going it alone. They fail to understand that real leadership means standing by your principles and rallying others to join you.

    John Kerry and John Edwards believe in a better, stronger America - an America that is respected, not just feared. An America that listens and leads - that cherishes freedom, safeguards our people, uplifts others, forges alliances, and deserves respect. This is the America they believe in. This is the America they are fighting for. And this is the America we can be.

    Today, we face three great challenges above all others - First, to win the global war against terror; Second, to stop the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons; Third, to promote democracy, freedom, and opportunity around the world, starting by winning the peace in Iraq. To meet these challenges, John Kerry's national security policy will be guided by four imperatives:

    Launch And Lead A New Era Of Alliances
    The threat of terrorism demands alliances on a global scale - to utilize every available resource to get the terrorists before they can strike at us. As president, John Kerry will lead a coalition of the able - because no force on earth is more able than the United States and its allies.


    Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats
    John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to transform the world's most powerful military to better address the modern threats of terrorism and proliferation, while ensuring that we have enough properly trained and equipped troops to meet our enduring strategic and regional missions.


    Deploy All That Is In America's Arsenal
    The war on terror cannot be won by military might alone. As president, John Kerry will deploy all the forces in America's arsenal - our diplomacy, our intelligence system, our economic power, and the appeal of our values and ideas - to make America more secure and prevent a new generation of terrorists from emerging.


    Free America From Its Dangerous Dependence On Mideast Oil
    To secure our full independence and freedom, we must free America from its dangerous dependence on Mideast oil. By tapping American ingenuity, we can achieve that goal while growing our economy and protecting our environment.

    The measure of a strong economy is a growing middle-class where every American has a chance to work and an opportunity to succeed.
    In America, a rising tide is supposed to lift all boats. But today, Americans are working harder, earning less, and paying more for health care, college, and taxes. Corporate profits are soaring, the government keeps expanding, but the opportunities for our middle-class are shrinking.

    It's time to bring those opportunities back. John Kerry and John Edwards know that we're stronger when we create good-paying jobs here, not ship them overseas. They want to reward hardworking middle-class families with tax breaks, not larger bills. They want to expand the reach of opportunity, not the size of government. And they want to lead an America where we work together to invest in the jobs of tomorrow.

    John Kerry and John Edwards have seen the faces and heard the voices of struggling middle-class families. But they've come away convinced more than ever that we're a country of optimists - a country that can do better and think bigger about the challenges we face. We can grow our economy by strengthening our middle-class. And we can make America richer by giving everyone a chance to build a better life for their families.

    John Kerry and John Edwards' plan to build a stronger economy will:

    Create Good-Paying Jobs
    As president, John Kerry will cut taxes for businesses that create jobs here in America instead of moving them overseas. John Kerry and John Edwards will also stand up for workers by enforcing our trade agreements.

    Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes
    When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan.

    Make Washington Live Within A Budget
    John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it.

    Invest In The Jobs Of Tomorrow
    Today, businesses are harnessing new technology to manufacture energy-efficient cars, high-grade steel, advanced plastics and other new products. And this requires a bigger, skilled labor force to make them. John Kerry and John Edwards believe we should invest in these jobs and invest in the people who will fill them

    Affordable, high-quality health care will keep our families healthy, our businesses competitive, and our country strong.
    Over the last three years, family premiums have increased by more than $2,600 and prescription drug prices have grown four times faster than inflation. These skyrocketing costs have hurt our economy and forced many families into bankruptcy.

    We deserve a president who understands that in America, regular check-ups shouldn't empty family checkbooks - a president who will put people ahead of insurance and drug companies.

    John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to address soaring premiums and cut Americans a break. Their plan will lower family premiums by up to $1,000 a year, cut waste from the system, lower the cost of prescription drugs to provide real relief to seniors, and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every child. And because John Kerry and John Edwards believe that everyone's health is equally important, they will provide all Americans with access to the same coverage that members of Congress give themselves.

    To make affordable health care a right - not a privilege - for every American, John Kerry and John Edwards will:

    Cut Your Premiums
    John Kerry and John Edwards will cut family premiums by up to $1,000. That's $1,000 in real savings people can use to buy groceries, pay the bills, and save for their children's future. And that will mean more jobs and more competitive American businesses.

    Cover All Americans With Quality Care
    The Kerry-Edwards plan will give every American access to the range of high-quality, affordable plans available to members of Congress and extend coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every American child. Their plan will also fight to erase the health disparities that persist along racial and economic lines, ensure that people with HIV and AIDS have the care they need, end discrimination against Americans with disabilities and mental illnesses, and ensure equal treatment for mental illness in our health system.

    Provide Affordable Prescriptions
    The Kerry-Edwards plan will reduce prescription drug prices by allowing the re-importation of safe prescription drugs from Canada, overhauling the Medicare drug plan, ensuring low-cost drugs, and ending artificial barriers to generic drug competition.

    Cut Waste And Inefficiency
    Today, approximately 25 percent of health care costs are wasted on paperwork and administrative processing. The Kerry-Edwards plan harnesses American ingenuity to cut waste, save billions, and take new steps to ensure patient privacy.

    Together, Americans will be freer and stronger when we break our dependence on foreign oil.
    Today, we consume 2.5 million barrels of oil per day from the Middle East, where instability has pushed prices to record highs. These soaring energy costs are burdening middle-class families with higher gas prices, and our dependence on Middle East oil is putting our national security at risk.

    America will be safer and freer when the resources that fuel our economy are in our own hands, when we develop new energy sources right here in America.

    John Kerry and John Edwards will put America on the path towards energy independence. They will harness the full force of American optimism and ingenuity to invest in new technologies and alternative fuels, create tax incentives that help automakers produce more fuel efficient cars, and reward the consumers who buy them. We invented and built the cars we drive today - we can invent and build the cars we drive tomorrow, too.

    The Kerry-Edwards plan will increase energy conservation and create clean, renewable sources of energy that no terrorist can sabotage and no foreign government can seize. Their plan will also save billions by cutting waste and pork-barrel spending in Washington.

    John Kerry and John Edwards believe that achieving an energy independent America - an America strong at home and secure in the world - is the great project for our generation.

    To create an energy independent America, John Kerry and John Edwards will:

    Explore And Develop New Energy Sources
    Tomorrow's energy economy will be fueled by new energy sources. The Kerry-Edwards plan will invest in the research and exploration needed to turn ideas into fuel and develop renewable energy sources.

    Develop Tomorrow's Technology Today
    Under the Kerry-Edwards plan, America will take the lead in developing the new technology and production methods needed to ensure that resources such as coal and natural gas are used more efficiently and cleanly, and fully integrated into the New Energy Economy.

    Make America Energy Independent Of Middle East Oil
    Our security in the war on terror demands an end to our dependence on Middle East oil. Under the Kerry-Edwards plan, we will strengthen our national security while growing our economy and protecting our environment.

    The most basic responsibility of a president is defending our homeland.
    We've seen some progress in making America more secure since September 11 - but there is still much more to be done. Today our government is not doing enough to make us safe. Our intelligence services remain fragmented and lack coordination. Our borders and ports are full of holes. Our chemical plants are vulnerable to attack. And across America, police officers, firefighters, and other first responders still lack the information, gear, and equipment to do their jobs safely and successfully.

    America needs a new strategy for homeland security that takes steps as big as the threats we face. John Kerry and John Edwards have that strategy. They will do whatever it takes to make America safe - coordinate our intelligence agencies, take action on all key fronts, stand up for security whenever special interests stand in the way, and get the needed resources to the first responders who defend America every day.

    John Kerry and John Edwards will offer a new security strategy that addresses five major challenges:

    Track And Stop Terrorists
    Many of the intelligence problems that allowed terrorists to slip into our country before 9/11 have not been addressed. John Kerry and John Edwards will improve our ability to gather, analyze, and share information so we can track down and stop terrorists before they cause harm.

    Protect Our Borders And Shores
    Today, our borders, our ports, and our airports are not as secure as they must be. John Kerry and John Edwards will make our airports, seaports, and borders more secure without intruding upon personal liberties.

    Harden Vulnerable Targets
    Chemical industry lobbying has kept the Bush administration from strengthening security at chemical plants, where an attack could endanger 1 million Americans. John Kerry and John Edwards will always put Americans' safety ahead of big business interests and take strong measures to harden likely targets-including nuclear plants, trains, and subways-against possible attack.

    Improve Domestic Readiness
    Our first defenders will respond to any attack with courage and heroism-but they also need the equipment and manpower to do the job. John Kerry and John Edwards will back up their words with resources and ensure that America's first responders have everything they need to protect their communities.

    Guard Liberty.
    We must always remember that terrorists do not just target our lives - they target our way of life. John Kerry and John Edwards believe in an America that is safe and free, and they will protect our personal liberties as well as our personal security.

    Education is at the core of America's basic promise - that all Americans should be able to make the most of their potential.
    John Kerry and John Edwards have a vision for American education: every child should be held to high standards, and every school should have the resources and the responsibility to meet those standards. Every classroom should have a great teacher. Every young person should graduate high school, and every young person who works hard and wants to go to college should be able to afford it. And all Americans should be able to get the skills they need to succeed throughout their lives.

    Today, our country is not realizing that vision. Schools do not have the resources they need to succeed, Washington is not working to make reform succeed and children are losing out. One million students are dropping out of high school every year, and because the price of college has risen by 35 percent over the last three years, 220,000 qualified young people were priced out of college last year.

    John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to do better-to ensure that all Americans can make the most of their God-given talents. They will offer schools the resources and the reforms they need to give every American child a great education, regardless of their income, race, or family background.

    John Kerry and John Edwards will:

    Meet Our Responsibilities To Our Schools
    John Kerry and John Edwards will establish a National Education Trust Fund to ensure that schools always get the funding they need. They will also ensure that No Child Left Behind works for schools, states, and teachers by rewarding those who meet higher standards and rewarding schools that turn around and improve.

    Continue Reform And Put A Great Teacher In Every Classroom
    Great teachers are the foundation of a great school. As president, John Kerry will enact a new bargain that offers teachers more, including better training and better pay in troubled schools, and asks for more in return, including fast, fair ways to make sure that teachers who don't belong in the classroom don't stay there.

    Offer 3.5 Million After-School Opportunities Through "School's Open 'Til Six"
    John Kerry and John Edwards are strong supporters of after-school programs. They give students extra help, keep them out of trouble, and offer peace of mind to working parents. The Kerry-Edwards "School's Open 'Til 'Six" initiative will offer after-school opportunities to 3.5 million children, through programs that are open until 6 p.m. and offer safe transportation for children.

    Make College Affordable For All And Expand Lifelong Learning
    As president, John Kerry will offer a fully refundable College Opportunity Tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college and offer aid to states that keep tuitions down. And he will launch a new effort to ensure that all of our workers can get the technical skills and advanced training they need.

    As Americans, we have the right to breathe unpolluted air, drink safe water, eat uncontaminated food, live in clean communities and enjoy our natural treasures. Over the last three years, we have seen these rights eroded. We have seen hard-won environmental gains rolled back, our air polluted and our water contaminated.
    In the 21st Century, we can have progress without pollution - we can grow our economy while protecting our natural resources. But we need a leader who looks to the future and invests in innovation.

    Throughout his career, John Kerry has fought to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness areas. Recently, the League of Conservation Voters called Senator Kerry an "environmental champion."

    John Kerry and John Edwards will set a new standard of environmental excellence for America. They will honor our national treasures and pay tribute to our natural wonders, while renewing our nation's promise of clean air, clean water and a bountiful landscape for all. They recognize that we owe it to our families, our communities, and our planet to defend our environmental values and protect our environmental rights.

    John Kerry and John Edwards will:

    Create Cleaner, Greener Communities
    Together, we can improve the environment in backyards and communities across America. John Kerry and John Edwards will revitalize contaminated industrial sites, get toxins out of communities, guarantee our children access to clean, safe parks and baseball fields, and take on traffic congestion and sprawl.

    Enact A Conservation Covenant With America
    John Kerry and John Edwards believe that Americans are united in our respect for the land. They will enact a Conservation Covenant with America to ensure balanced protection for our public lands and adequate resources to enhance our national parks.

    Protect Our Health By Reducing Dangerous Air Emissions
    As president, John Kerry will reverse the Bush-Cheney rollbacks to our Clean Air Act, plug loopholes in the law, take aggressive action to stop acid rain, and use innovative, job-creating programs to reduce mercury emissions and other emissions that contribute to global warming.

    Restore America's Waters
    Today, approximately 45 percent of our nation's waterways do not meet the "drinkable, swimable and fishable" standard set out by the Clean Water Act 30 years ago. As president, John Kerry will implement a "Restore America's Waters" campaign, an integrated approach to protecting our precious, limited water resources. He will work with states on the toughest water quality challenges, restore damaged watersheds, protect wetlands, invest in our waterfronts and coastal communities, and protect our oceans.

    A little boy walks up to George W. Bush and asks, "Mr. Bush, what happened to all the weapons of mass destruction that we invaded Iraq to get? Bush replies, "Why there all right here timmy, in the good ol U.S.A. Just one of our 12 Trident subs holds enough necular arsenal to destroy every major city in the northern hemisphere! Timmy replies, "but we wont use them to bomb innocient people, will we Mr. Bush" Bush replies, "We sure as hell will timmy, we just did in Iraq! After all, that bastard tried to kill my dad. Now run along and enjoy the severly underfunded no child left behind program.

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    ... Because if there's anything worth basing your vote on, it's a forwarded email.


    Seriously- over 250 million people live in this country, and these two clowns are the best they can come up with? Maybe I'm just a cynic, but it seems to me that decision 2004 is a lose-lose.

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    Firekid: You can take many of the statements you have made below and compare them to what I have said.

    If John Kerry wants to lower taxes, then why didn't he vote to do so while in the Senate?

    We haven't walked away from alliances, they have walked away from us. Do you see NATO or the UN helping us when we ask them? What about France?

    How can Kerry cut the deficit in half, and still cut taxes, while having billions of dollars in new spending?

    Why is Kerry worried about helping seniors with prescriptions now, when we he wasn't worried about it in the Senate?

    If Kerry wants new energy sources, then why did he vote against them?

    How can Kerry say he will fund intelligence and that intelligence is very important if he votes to cut intelligence spending?

    John Kerry keeps on contradicting himself and constantly changes his mind. He votes for things, then votes against them or bashes what he just helped to create. You can take any statements in my first post and compare them to firekid's to see that what Kerry says will not happen.
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    And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it.
    Ok, posted above are like 20 ideas, how's he going to pay for them?

    I see a lot of "cut taxes" so where is the money going to come from?
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    Where did this guy come from, DNC headquarters? This is like the propaganda that spews from there. Kerry is going to do this, Kerry is going to do that, how have we survived until now without his gracious leadership. All he says he is going to do is the very things he voted against in his non-existant senate career. A lot of talk and no backbone. Yeah, I sure know he was a Nam hero who should have been given six stars and the throne in England but check out his comments that were made when hero came home. How this crap was used to torture POW's. His book, The New Soldier, just check out the cover. I am sorry that you libs are so gullible to be taken in by this snakeoil salesman. They say a sucker born every minute. Be sure and hold your nose when you pull the Kerry lever cause the stench of a traitor is in it. Sorry maybe a little heavy handed but I really am getting sick of hearing how this elitist is so wonderful. If he wins be ready for what follows.

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    Ok, posted above are like 20 ideas, how's he going to pay for them?

    I see a lot of "cut taxes" so where is the money going to come from?


    Thats an easy question to answer, he is gonna apply for a loan from the fairies at the bottom of Firekid 1234, garden!!

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    Ok...first off I copyed all that stuff from the John Kerry Website.

    Second, I challenge you to list all the GOOD things Bush has done for this country. Go ahead, list em. If you say liberating people in iraq, helping them out?

    Tell that to his kid.

    Great eh? Id say we liberated him. Just one of hundreds of sensless deaths that have happened for this war. Saddam posed a threat? He had weapons of mass destruction as I recall. The reason we went to iraq, or so we were told. So we went and what did we find? Squat. Ill tell you who has the WMD's. We do.

    Why is it ok for us to have wepaons of mass destruction, but nobody else? Saddam was evil, but there are people who need taking care of much more. Ever heard of South Korea? THEY HAVE THE WEPONS! THEY FREKING TOLD US! So why arent we there? Oil anyone?

    It also dosent help president bush is a dumbass. If his daddy wasent president there would be no way in hell this guy would be president. That or without the help of his Uncle Dickey.

    Then all of you call John kerry a tratior for coming home from the Nam war, and protesting. Hes a tratior for speaking out against the government decisions is he? Well if hes a traitor your a commie!

    This is my oponion, yours are yours. So go ahead! Name what bush has done so greatly.

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    Listen guy,

    Any credibility you have had at making anyone listen to your point is gone since you resort to calling anyone with a differing point of view some vile name. It makes people think that you are immature and cannot have a resoned argument with well thought out positions and viewpoints. It is also a sure fire way for the web team to come down on you and either warn you or ban you.

    Please be respectful of others and their viewpoints, especially if you expect the same of us.

    No one even insulted you, in a broader sense or personally. There is NO excuse for your behavior.
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    Firekid, open your eyes, your ears, and get a frickin clue.

    Great eh? Id say we liberated him. Just one of hundreds of sensless deaths that have happened for this war.

    Saddam's regime killed, by the estimates of the non-government organization human rights groups, a million.

    Tens of thousands by poison gas alone.

    A person with a track record of erratic decision making, creation/development/use of weapons of mass destruction (thank you Israel for having the balls to take the nuke plant out in '84), a history of supporting terrorist organizations (even if his relationship with al Quadia was one of a neutral truce), in a volatile region, and with two highly unstable neurotic sons waiting in the wings to take over.

    Senseless is when good people stand aside saying it's not my problem. Can we take on every crisis in the world? You know, we as a world might be able to if others were also willing to pony up to the table. Unfortunately other nations continue to shrink and want to think of their own narrow, short term self-interests. Yeah, sometimes we do that too, but one thing you can say about the George W. administration is they're much more idealistic in their world view then say, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, GHW Bush, or Clinton.

    Ever heard of South Korea? THEY HAVE THE WEPONS! THEY FREKING TOLD US!

    Lesson one in being able to carry on an intelligent discussion of world politics: Learn to read a map.
    Lesson two: Read a history book.

    It also dosent help president bush is a dumbass. If his daddy wasent president there would be no way in hell this guy would be president. That or without the help of his Uncle Dickey.

    Wow...
    Many things can make or break a Presidential run. Certainly Dad was a help. If the Democrats could actually come up with decent candidates, he wouldn't be President either. Maybe the Dems could take some notes on building up a healthy, strong political organization from them 'cause they sure don't have a good pipeline going now.

    Name what bush has done so greatly.
    -- Presided with dignity over one of the more challenging periods of modern U.S. history, from the foreign terrorism acts of 9-11 to the domestic acts of mass, random violence like the Anthrax scares and Beltway sniper, to accidents that caused scares (Queens air crashes), to blows to the national consicnous like the Columbia accident, during a period of economic weakness after the bubble of the Clinton-years had burst.
    -- Handled the U.S. spy plane downed in China with less embarassment than the U2 Crisis under Eisehower
    -- Cut income taxes across the table (I got my refund check, and I'm not rich...) Now if we can cut Federal spending to complete the second part of that as we finally come out of the economic doldrums.
    -- Took out the Taliban in a very effective Afghanistan campaign.
    -- No Child Left Behind...wow, what a concept, being held accountable for performance.
    -- Signed a Nuclear Arms Treaty with Russia that will see us reducing our nuclear war heads from about 7,500 to under 2,000.
    -- Slowed the development of nuclear weapons in Iran & North Korea
    -- Signed the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.
    -- Negotiated concessions with Libya leading to them dismantling their WMD progams, and lifting the U.S.'s 23-year old travel ban and 18 year-old economic embargo against them.
    -- Improved (in fits and starts) relations with Mexico and worked towards a more reasoned approach to Mexican immigration
    -- Has gotten Pakistan to send troops into an area *no one* has ever maintained a military presence in before to continue to pressue al Queda.
    -- Had the balls to say enough is enough and take down Saddam Hussein. Bing him big on the follow-up (and I kinda figured all along it would be difficult -- this is an Administration good on the big picture, poor on executing details), but even with the current chaos majority of Iraqis say it's better today that Saddam is gone.
    -- Took Osama & Company from operating openly...to hiding in caves. Look at the recent arrests in London...and that was from an investigation the New York Times blew the cover on and they had to hurry to make the arrests. Military pressure, intelligence work, and police action combined -- and you most of the public doesn't get to see the whole picture on that.
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    Originally posted by Dalmatian90
    Firekid, open your eyes, your ears, and get a frickin clue.

    Great eh? Id say we liberated him. Just one of hundreds of sensless deaths that have happened for this war.

    Saddam's regime killed, by the estimates of the non-government organization human rights groups, a million.

    Tens of thousands by poison gas alone.

    A person with a track record of erratic decision making, creation/development/use of weapons of mass destruction (thank you Israel for having the balls to take the nuke plant out in '84), a history of supporting terrorist organizations (even if his relationship with al Quadia was one of a neutral truce), in a volatile region, and with two highly unstable neurotic sons waiting in the wings to take over.

    Senseless is when good people stand aside saying it's not my problem. Can we take on every crisis in the world? You know, we as a world might be able to if others were also willing to pony up to the table. Unfortunately other nations continue to shrink and want to think of their own narrow, short term self-interests. Yeah, sometimes we do that too, but one thing you can say about the George W. administration is they're much more idealistic in their world view then say, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, GHW Bush, or Clinton.

    Ever heard of South Korea? THEY HAVE THE WEPONS! THEY FREKING TOLD US!

    Lesson one in being able to carry on an intelligent discussion of world politics: Learn to read a map.
    Lesson two: Read a history book.

    It also dosent help president bush is a dumbass. If his daddy wasent president there would be no way in hell this guy would be president. That or without the help of his Uncle Dickey.

    Wow...
    Many things can make or break a Presidential run. Certainly Dad was a help. If the Democrats could actually come up with decent candidates, he wouldn't be President either. Maybe the Dems could take some notes on building up a healthy, strong political organization from them 'cause they sure don't have a good pipeline going now.

    Name what bush has done so greatly.
    -- Presided with dignity over one of the more challenging periods of modern U.S. history, from the foreign terrorism acts of 9-11 to the domestic acts of mass, random violence like the Anthrax scares and Beltway sniper, to accidents that caused scares (Queens air crashes), to blows to the national consicnous like the Columbia accident, during a period of economic weakness after the bubble of the Clinton-years had burst.
    -- Handled the U.S. spy plane downed in China with less embarassment than the U2 Crisis under Eisehower
    -- Cut income taxes across the table (I got my refund check, and I'm not rich...) Now if we can cut Federal spending to complete the second part of that as we finally come out of the economic doldrums.
    -- Took out the Taliban in a very effective Afghanistan campaign.
    -- No Child Left Behind...wow, what a concept, being held accountable for performance.
    -- Signed a Nuclear Arms Treaty with Russia that will see us reducing our nuclear war heads from about 7,500 to under 2,000.
    -- Slowed the development of nuclear weapons in Iran & North Korea
    -- Signed the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.
    -- Negotiated concessions with Libya leading to them dismantling their WMD progams, and lifting the U.S.'s 23-year old travel ban and 18 year-old economic embargo against them.
    -- Improved (in fits and starts) relations with Mexico and worked towards a more reasoned approach to Mexican immigration
    -- Has gotten Pakistan to send troops into an area *no one* has ever maintained a military presence in before to continue to pressue al Queda.
    -- Had the balls to say enough is enough and take down Saddam Hussein. Bing him big on the follow-up (and I kinda figured all along it would be difficult -- this is an Administration good on the big picture, poor on executing details), but even with the current chaos majority of Iraqis say it's better today that Saddam is gone.
    -- Took Osama & Company from operating openly...to hiding in caves. Look at the recent arrests in London...and that was from an investigation the New York Times blew the cover on and they had to hurry to make the arrests. Military pressure, intelligence work, and police action combined -- and you most of the public doesn't get to see the whole picture on that.
    What he said!

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    Originally posted by Dalmatian90
    Firekid, open your eyes, your ears, and get a frickin clue.

    Great eh? Id say we liberated him. Just one of hundreds of sensless deaths that have happened for this war.

    Saddam's regime killed, by the estimates of the non-government organization human rights groups, a million.

    Tens of thousands by poison gas alone.

    A person with a track record of erratic decision making, creation/development/use of weapons of mass destruction (thank you Israel for having the balls to take the nuke plant out in '84), a history of supporting terrorist organizations (even if his relationship with al Quadia was one of a neutral truce), in a volatile region, and with two highly unstable neurotic sons waiting in the wings to take over.

    Senseless is when good people stand aside saying it's not my problem. Can we take on every crisis in the world? You know, we as a world might be able to if others were also willing to pony up to the table. Unfortunately other nations continue to shrink and want to think of their own narrow, short term self-interests. Yeah, sometimes we do that too, but one thing you can say about the George W. administration is they're much more idealistic in their world view then say, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, GHW Bush, or Clinton.

    Ever heard of South Korea? THEY HAVE THE WEPONS! THEY FREKING TOLD US!

    Lesson one in being able to carry on an intelligent discussion of world politics: Learn to read a map.
    Lesson two: Read a history book.

    It also dosent help president bush is a dumbass. If his daddy wasent president there would be no way in hell this guy would be president. That or without the help of his Uncle Dickey.

    Wow...
    Many things can make or break a Presidential run. Certainly Dad was a help. If the Democrats could actually come up with decent candidates, he wouldn't be President either. Maybe the Dems could take some notes on building up a healthy, strong political organization from them 'cause they sure don't have a good pipeline going now.

    Name what bush has done so greatly.
    -- Presided with dignity over one of the more challenging periods of modern U.S. history, from the foreign terrorism acts of 9-11 to the domestic acts of mass, random violence like the Anthrax scares and Beltway sniper, to accidents that caused scares (Queens air crashes), to blows to the national consicnous like the Columbia accident, during a period of economic weakness after the bubble of the Clinton-years had burst.
    -- Handled the U.S. spy plane downed in China with less embarassment than the U2 Crisis under Eisehower
    -- Cut income taxes across the table (I got my refund check, and I'm not rich...) Now if we can cut Federal spending to complete the second part of that as we finally come out of the economic doldrums.
    -- Took out the Taliban in a very effective Afghanistan campaign.
    -- No Child Left Behind...wow, what a concept, being held accountable for performance.
    -- Signed a Nuclear Arms Treaty with Russia that will see us reducing our nuclear war heads from about 7,500 to under 2,000.
    -- Slowed the development of nuclear weapons in Iran & North Korea
    -- Signed the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.
    -- Negotiated concessions with Libya leading to them dismantling their WMD progams, and lifting the U.S.'s 23-year old travel ban and 18 year-old economic embargo against them.
    -- Improved (in fits and starts) relations with Mexico and worked towards a more reasoned approach to Mexican immigration
    -- Has gotten Pakistan to send troops into an area *no one* has ever maintained a military presence in before to continue to pressue al Queda.
    -- Had the balls to say enough is enough and take down Saddam Hussein. Bing him big on the follow-up (and I kinda figured all along it would be difficult -- this is an Administration good on the big picture, poor on executing details), but even with the current chaos majority of Iraqis say it's better today that Saddam is gone.
    -- Took Osama & Company from operating openly...to hiding in caves. Look at the recent arrests in London...and that was from an investigation the New York Times blew the cover on and they had to hurry to make the arrests. Military pressure, intelligence work, and police action combined -- and you most of the public doesn't get to see the whole picture on that.
    Brother Dal........Testify!
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    CRAP! I was hoping we could have an intelligent political debate here. Once again, one person has ruined it for everyone.

    Do we have anymore Kerry supporters out there with something intelligent and valuable to bring to the table?

    Ever heard of South Korea? THEY HAVE THE WEPONS! THEY FREKING TOLD US!
    Yes. My brother-in-law is there right now defending us from possible Northern aggression/invasion. North Korea is where the nuclear weapons are. We probably will go after them later, but I don't believe we are able to right now, with everything else going on.

    Anyone notice how firekid didn't answer anyone's questions? He quickly switched the subject to Iraq, just like every other Kerry supporter I have ever spoken with.
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    Im sorry. Your right, my behavior was out of line. I just tend to get worked up over these things. I know alot of people over there. And there getting killed. For what? It just all seems senseless to me...

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    You know, son, once many years ago people from other countries came here and helped this country gain it's freedom from England. Not more than two miles from where I sit, US 40 is called Pulaski Highway, named for Count Casmiar Pulaski of Poland who came to help the Colonies gain their independence. I find it troubling that people who profess to have such a commitment to helping their fellows are so against helping others to be free. Maybe there's a lot of hot air here, maybe people really only do it (firefighting) for a paycheck or for the rush.

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    As soon as you see that icon, you know that the discussion will be saddled with inuendo, conspiracy theory websites, liberal talking points and unsubstantiated claims of Pres. Bush's attempt to gain world dominance.

    Of course people dying in this war is senseless. But we didn't start this one. Saddam did.

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    I couldn't help but notice that you didn't bring up Afghanistan.
    Oh, that's right. That is where Al Quaida eats and sleeps and kills and murders and runs and hides and kills some more. And they were the ones responsible for the attacks on America, so that makes sense, right?
    But a country that had/has ties to these heathens, supported and helped to fund the attacks; a country led by a murderous butcher of his own people and was a constant threat to the Middle East(you remember Kuwait, don't you) and abroad isn't justification for a military action? I thought Somalia would have taught us a lesson.
    I unequivocably support the offense mentality of President Bush, because if we aren't chasing them, they are somewhere killing more innocent people. If we don't hunt them down and shut them down, then no one else will. Might for right.
    There's nothing "senseless" about it. The cause is a just one.
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