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    Default 24 hour schedule

    Our Department just changed our 42 hour 3 days on/3days off schedule to a 50 hour - 24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 4 days off(with a kelly day every 3rd Cycle)

    We don't know of any departments in the NorthEast that work this schedule. We were told it is popular out West and some places in the South.

    I would appreciate any feedback from members who work this schedule and any creative ways you swap shifts. Job morale is at an all time low since they aren't paying us for the extra hours we will be working... and to add insult to injury - they implemented the new schedule today 9-11.

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    That schedule sounds alot like the Memphis, TN schedule. go to the following site and ask on the forum there.(you should be able to log in as a guest)
    [URL=http://www.memphisfire.net]

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    What is a kelly day?
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    Out here we call it a 3/4. Las Vegas, North Las Vegas and Henderson use it; as do many SoCal depts. I love it. As far as trades, depends. Take a day off at the tail end and you have a 6-day. As far as repaying, some guys like to work 48s, so they still have at least a 3-day. But if you're needed in the middle of your shift, that gives you a 72hr shift; I get a bit stir-crazy when I work those.

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    In Cali- the "3/4" schedule is popular.- XOXOXOOOO
    As for creative ways to swap shifts, I can only tell you to
    swap the first or last day out to take 6 off.

    As I have stated before, the 2 on, 4 off schedule is
    popular too.

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    Oh yeah, we do not have kelly days; so can't really comment on it.

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    We run the same shift here in Indiana. There are a few departments in the area that use it, although most run 24/48. Our Kelly Day is optional - you can take it, or work it for OT. Everyone seems to like the shift they started with, but I really like this schedule. The 4 days off is great, and as has been mentioned, with 1 vacation day you get 6 off. With 3 days off (we call the 3 days a trick) you get a 13 day vacation.

    The part I dislike the most is when you work Monday - Wednesday - Friday - that week is a killer. Of course, you get a 4 day weekend before and after, which is not bad. As far as keeping track of your schedule, I carry a small calendar with me. Also, just remember for each day of the week, you work 3 in a row, then get 6 in a row off. So tomorrow I start 3 Sundays in a row, then I get 6 off.

    As far as swapping, our department policy only allows us to work 48 hours straight, so no 72's for us, although after working 48's, I don't know that I would want to do a 72 anyway. We are allowed to take vacation in 12 hour increments, so often on trade time we will work 12's.

    Like I said, I think it depends on what you start with, but I like this schedule.

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    The sub base in Groton Ct uses it I dont know how they work there kelly day in though

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    Yeah, those M/W/F go-rounds are rough. Starting my first Sunday tomorrow, also; football at the firehouse, gotta love it!!

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    What is a kelly day?

    I don't know where the "Kelly" name came from, but it's an extra day off from your normal schedule every 30 days or so.

    Dates back to when paid firefighters where on a continous duty system -- 15 days on, one day off w/ 3 hours per day off for meals @ home (back in the days of horse-drawn fire apparatus and people living within working distance of home...). A Kelly would give them two days off in a row once a month.
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    I can't comment on your shift schedule, as no one in this area uses it. (That I'm aware of) Our full time people work either a 24 on, 72 off shift, for stations that need around the clock staffing, or a 40 hour "Daywork" schedule (Varies, either 5 days per week at 8hours per day, or 4 days at 10 hours. It's a 40 hour week regardless.) for those that do not need Night/Weekend coverage.
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    Sioux Falls, SD works that schedule. I really like it. If you are allowed to trade shifts you can get two weeks off by trading 2 or 3 shifts and not take any vacation.

    As for what is a Kelly day. . .

    I think it is named after a mayor in Chicago. Most (mayby all) fire departments are required to pay overtime for any time worked over 53 hours per week. With the schedule described in this post the average time worked is 56 hours per week. The department takes those extra three hours a week and "banks" them for you. Once those hours reach 24 you get that time returned to you in the form of a day off. Some departments will pay you the three hours of OT, however, it is usually better to take the K-day because more often than not it will generate OT depending on your departments staffing mandates.

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    I worked this shedule when I was on shift and it wasn't bad. It was odd for our area since every other department worked 24 on 48 off. We called it the "California shift" since that was supposedly where it originated.

    The only disadvantage I had with this schedule was that you could start to get really tired on your third duty day of the cycle if you were on a really busy company. I also found that by the end of my 4 days off, I couldn't wait to get back to the station (and my wife couldn't wait to get rid of me).

    I think you will like it. I would definately take it over the shift schedule you did have.

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    Kellys work a couple different ways around here (for 24-48 schedules)......

    There's one FD that assigns/bids Kelly days........ Ex. 1 FF will have Wednesday as his Kelly Day, so every Wednesday he supposed to work, he has off.......

    Others let people use them like Vacation days and they can take them whenever they want.......

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    I have a quick question for those of you working 24 hr shifts. How does your department manage relief at a busy station? At my station, we have had times when we are getting 70 calls in 24 hrs and it has gone on for 2 or 3 days like that. Our shift is 2 days, 2 nights, 4 off but there are guys in the sleepy stations that want to go to 24's and I have yet to hear how the busy stations would be managed.
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    I work the 2D/2N/4OFF also .I love it.We have some guys talking about going to the 24/72.Our Chief doesn;t like the 24's so unless someone can convince him that it is better for the City or Dept. ,it ain't gonna happen.

    Because we average out to around 42 hours per week,we get "comp" days.About 8 or 9 a year.We pick them with our vacation.

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    It seems to me that the big problem here isn't what shift you guys are going to or who likes it or who doesn't like it. The big problem is that you are working 8 extra hours with no pay increase. That's called getting screwed.

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    Thanks to all who responded with their comments and suggestions to our Department's new schedule. We aren't happy with spending more time away from our families and not getting compensated our hourly wage for the extra 8 hours a week.
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    We work that schedule in GR, MI. Most everybody really likes it. As far as trades, we have unlimited trades here. Since you only work 9 days a month, it makes it very easy to long stretches of time off WITHOUT USING ANY VACATION DAYS. For example, with a little preplanning, you can work 2 extra days a month. (Trust me, those 4 off days get really long!) If you do this, say, Nov., Dec., Jan., Feb., you could conceiveably take the month of July or August off (with a four day at the front and at the end, that is 31 days off). What is more common is to take the cycle with your Kelly day in it. Trade the remaining two days on with someone, and enjoy your 13 day vacation. (Again, without using any vacation days!)As for Kelly days, we call em Leave days here. We are allowed to trade L-Days as well. (I'll trade you your July L-day for my May L-day. I won't have and L-day in May, but I will have 2 in July.) These can come in very handy for family events, etc. Incidentally, don't feel like you are getting screwed to bad, you are being compensated for the extra time worked in the form of time off. That is what your L-day is for.

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