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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    So tell us, liberal Kool-Aid drinker, how did he get in there, then? Was it a security breach? Was it a gate-crashing? Was it like the guy in the Batman suit at Buckingham Palace? OR was it that he was invited, as the self-proclaimed leader of the VVAW by an anti-war Senator for bogus hearings that were aimed solely at embarrasing Nixon? Which one?
    All of the above. His presence and testimony at the hearings didn't connote treason or perjury.

    Unless you know of a conspiracy to allow him to break the law intentionally.
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    Originally posted by scfire86


    All of the above. His presence and testimony at the hearings didn't connote treason or perjury.

    Unless you know of a conspiracy to allow him to break the law intentionally.
    Ahhh. I never said his testimony amounted to any crimes. In fact, he probably told the truth. I already outlined how he committed treason. I am not going to repeat myself.

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    Way to hang in there, SC. Pretty soon, you'll be left-wing, pinko commie, un-American scum, too. Life is so much better on the forums when you have these guys on your ignore list; now if there were only a way to ignore the stupid Kerry-bashing threads they start on an almost daily basis. Perhaps you don't mind the baseless attacks and name-calling; but I find it stupid and childish. It is amusing to me how my posts invoke such rage from them, though.

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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


    I already outlined how he committed treason. I am not going to repeat myself.
    Please don't. But it is obvious better legal minds than you decided he didn't commit treason. With all the current ongoing activity someone would have come forward by now and declared why he should have been charged with treason but wasn't.
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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman
    It is amusing to me how my posts invoke such rage from them, though.
    They're just so ANGRY!!!
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    I can only imagine what it would be like, to be a resident of the Hanoi Hilton. Held there for 4 or maybe 5 years. Tortured and beaten daily to turn over statements accusing the U.S. government of war crimes. Resisting because you don't wish to betray those with whom you are currently imprisoned with, or worse, the nation you are defending. I can only imagine how you would feel when your captors show you what 1 individual had to say on capitol hill. How the statements he is making are the one's you are beaten to say daily, if not hourly. I am not talking about the swift vets either. Just some thoughts, some people will never get it FireLt1951.Just an FYI, I have not tossed out the word pinko or commie here, I recognize an individual's right to free speach. This is just my same right.

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    Originally posted by scfire86


    They're just so ANGRY!!!
    Angry? Darn right. When people, who ought to be on their hands and knees thanking God that they live in this country, instead attack and demean it, it invokes anger.

    Its not only un-American, its anti-American. As I said, you are free to find a better country to live in any time you want.

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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman
    Way to hang in there, SC. Pretty soon, you'll be left-wing, pinko commie, un-American scum, too. Life is so much better on the forums when you have these guys on your ignore list; now if there were only a way to ignore the stupid Kerry-bashing threads they start on an almost daily basis. Perhaps you don't mind the baseless attacks and name-calling; but I find it stupid and childish. It is amusing to me how my posts invoke such rage from them, though.
    Left wing? Yes
    Commie Pinko? Probably

    As far as getting upset by posts, I think you should look in the mirror. During the thread where you were comparing the Boy Scouts to the Hitler youth, and comparing our Pledge to a nazi pledge, I responded that you were indeed bigoted, and you took your ball and went home, so to speak.

    It's amazing how many of us are on you're blocked or ignore list, and yet you show up

    SC - back to the original intent of the thread. Now you are no longer in denial that JF Kerry admitted to war crimes, but your stance is that if he didn't get charged with them by a liberal anti war senator, then it isn't a crime? Kinda Clintonesque. You libs shouted from the roof tops "Clinton was innocent, it didn't go through the Senate", all the while ignoring that he was in fact disbarred, by his home state, no less.

    In reality, I think you folks at the socialist (oops Democrat) party are not voting for Kerry, per se. It's an anti Bush party. There are many prominent dems, including Zell Miller and Ed Koch who are for Bush, and the message that comes back from the Dems is that Kerry is the HollowMan. Not a whole lot of substance.

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    Once again the libs show their asses. Can't dipute the charges, the liberal spin isn't working, tell a lie over and over maybe it will come true. I know, if none of that works I will just ignore the debate. Like most everything else stick your head in the sand and leave the hard work to the people that can do it. I just do not get how you libs can be so in love with Hanoi John, an ADMITTED war criminal, eliteist that has no credible senate carreer. I forgot, you also loved Slick Willy. Maybe if his head hadn't been in the sand his 8 long years, we may not have had 9/11. Oh I guess using the word "head" and Clinton in the same sentence is not a good idea. So also put me on your ignore lists because your liberal bilge will not go unanswered. Oh and by the way, SC you said earlier that you had enough guns, good that leaves more for me. Also Hanoi John is a traitor. I am sure that you tolerable wordly liberals are mad at me now----Good!!

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    "And I certainly can't imagine GHW Bush sitting there reading a children's book for 7 minutes while his country was under attack- We need to bring that guy back."

    The President has been assulted on this long enough. Let's compare what our hero Senator did and what our present Commander in Chief did on that fateful day.

    Kerry 'couldn't think' on 9/11

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    PORTLAND, Ore. — The White House, irked by lingering questions about whether President Bush responded quickly enough to the September 11 terrorist attacks, yesterday slammed Sen. John Kerry for being bewildered by the attacks.
    White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett took Mr. Kerry to task for questioning the president's decision to remain in a Florida classroom for five minutes after learning of the attacks. He noted that the Massachusetts Democrat acknowledged last month that when the terrorists struck, Mr. Kerry was at a Democratic leadership meeting where "nobody could think."

    "It's straining credibility for him to attack the president when he acknowledges the fact that he couldn't think in those minutes after the attack," Mr. Bartlett told The Washington Times at a Bush appearance here.
    "This type of petty, armchair quarterbacking — three years after the event — demonstrates the lengths the senator will go in order to be president," he said. "Do they really want to have this debate about 9/11? We'd love to have it."
    A Kerry campaign spokesman declined to comment on the broadside, which came less than 24 hours after Mr. Bush was asked on CNN's "Larry King Live" to respond to Mr. Kerry's critique of his September 11 performance.
    "Had I been reading to children and had my top aide whisper in my ear, 'America is under attack,' I would have told those kids very politely and nicely that the president of the United States had something that he needed to attend to, and I would have attended to it," Mr. Kerry said last week.
    But last month, the senator acknowledged his own struggle to comprehend the enormity of the terrorist attacks. Mr. Kerry was attending a Democratic leadership meeting in the Capitol office of Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota when two jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center in New York.
    "We watched the second plane come into the building," Mr. Kerry said on "Larry King Live."
    "And we shortly thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon.
    "And then word came from the White House they were evacuating, and we were to evacuate," he added. "And so we immediately began the evacuation."
    By that time, Mr. Bush had been responding to the attacks for more than 20 minutes and had addressed the nation. Using the Florida school as a makeshift command post, Mr. Bush had telephoned Vice President Dick Cheney, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III and New York Gov. George E. Pataki.
    Also during those 20 minutes, the president consulted with Mr. Bartlett, White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. and White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. Rejecting a statement they drafted for him, the president grabbed a pen and scrawled out his own statement on three sheets of paper.
    On Thursday, the president defended himself against Mr. Kerry's critique.
    "I think it's easy to second-guess," he said. "What's important is how I reacted when I realized America was under attack.
    "It didn't take me long to figure out we were at war," he added. "It didn't take me long to develop a plan that we would go after al Qaeda. We went into action very quickly."
    After the second plane stuck the World Trade Center, Mr. Bush was given minimal information by Mr. Card, who whispered into his ear: "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack."
    The president had been told upon arrival at the school that a small, twin-engine plane accidentally had crashed into one of the World Trade Center towers.
    "I couldn't envision it," he later told a Washington Times reporter who accompanied him to the school. "I could not envision what it meant to see an airplane fly into a building."
    He added: "But I wasn't thinking about what it looked like. I was thinking about what the heck we were going to do. I'm an action-oriented guy. And I am thinking to myself: What is it I need to do?"
    As for Mr. Kerry's criticism, Mr. Bush was unapologetic about remaining in the classroom.
    "I was collecting my thoughts," he explained on CNN. "I was sitting with a bunch of young kids, and I made the decision there that we would let this part of the program finish, and then I would calmly stand up and thank the teacher and thank the children and go take care of business."

    scfire86 posted:
    "He wasn't charged with treason for one reason. He didn't commit it."

    As I am sure George can do a better job, just because a person hasn't been charged doesn't mean that they didn't commit a crime. I'll bet many who are familiar with one of John Kerry's closest friends, Senator Kennedy, believe he got away with murder many years ago. Because he hasn't been charged, doesn't mean that he didn't do it. It just means that there was insufficient evidence to bring charges. However, mark my word, before this election is done, there will be a move to investigate Senator Kerry for committing treason in 1971.

    You have also made contentions that the President was too drunk to remember his ANG service. His one DUI arrest came in 1976 and he was honorably discharged in 1973. Okay don't take my word for it how about this?

    Bush acknowledges 1976 DUI charge
    November 2, 2000
    Web posted at: 11:00 p.m. EST (0400 GMT)

    From staff and wire reports

    WEST ALLIS, Wisconsin -- Texas Gov. George W. Bush acknowledged Thursday that in 1976 he was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol near his parents' home in Kennebunkport, Maine.


    Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush admits that he was arrested in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol near his parents' home in Kennebunkport, Maine ( 433 K/40 sec. AIFF or WAV sound)

    Bush, who was 30 at the time, pleaded guilty, paid a $150 fine and his driving privileges were temporarily suspended in Maine.

    Late Thursday evening, following a campaign rally in this tightly contested Midwestern state, Bush--with his wife, Laura, at his side --told reporters news accounts of the incident were accurate, that he had been drinking in a bar with Australian tennis pro John Newcombe and others.

    "I'm not proud of that. I made some mistakes. I occasionally drank too much, and I did that night. I learned my lesson." Bush said he was not jailed after the arrest. "I told the guy (the arresting officer) I had been drinking, what do I need to do? He said, 'here's the fine.' I paid the fine."

    So again I not only have put your arguements to rest (despite your assersions about Georges arguements) I have backed them up with documentation. Keep drinking that kool-aid.

    And of course, lets not forget the I know how much ya like that!

    You will also notice I didn't call you a pinko, commie or other such name.

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    Originally posted by glowpop
    You have also made contentions that the President was too drunk to remember his ANG service. His one DUI arrest came in 1976 and he was honorably discharged in 1973.
    He got caught once. Do you believe that was the only time he got behind the wheel while DUI? Dream on.

    And if you so readily accept Bush's honorable discharge based upon documentation from military records, then why all the claims of inaccuracies of Kerry's military records as it relates to his decorations?

    And. If Kerry had committed treason, why was he given an honorable discharge?

    Both sets of records are from the same organization (DoD). Yet we are told Bush's records are above reproach, but Kerry's are inaccurate.
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    The only defense a lib has for kerry is an attack on Rush Limbaugh
    Actually I was doing nothing of the sort. I was responding to a remark about Al Gore being on crack which isn't true, with a statement of Rush Limbaugh being addicted to Oxycontnin, which is true.

    But if you want to look up to Limbaugh it's none of my business. Personally I think he is hysterically funny. What is even funnier is how many conservative wackos look up to a person who is a great role model for:

    Dodging the draft.
    Premarital sex.
    Getting divorced.
    Drug addiction.
    Buying prescription drugs illegally.
    Refusing personal responsibility.


    Maybe those are conservative values and I just don't know about it. If so, maybe I'll change party affiliation.
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    Went to the Jefferson City FD's website. Figures it sent me an error and wouldn't load. I guess the websites can't even stick around for hits down there.
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    Originally posted by scfire86


    Actually I was doing nothing of the sort. I was responding to a remark about Al Gore being on crack which isn't true, with a statement of Rush Limbaugh being addicted to Oxycontnin, which is true.

    But if you want to look up to Limbaugh it's none of my business. Personally I think he is hysterically funny. What is even funnier is how many conservative wackos look up to a person who is a great role model for:

    Dodging the draft.
    Premarital sex.
    Getting divorced.
    Drug addiction.
    Buying prescription drugs illegally.
    Refusing personal responsibility.


    Maybe those are conservative values and I just don't know about it. If so, maybe I'll change party affiliation.
    Using this logic, I guess I can assume that your are an "anti-american". I can also say you wish for U.S. soldiers to die in Iraq. Why do I say this? Having witnessed the "greens" party convention here, in my hometown this summer, that is what I saw. Many of theses people held up signs hoping for U.S. failure in Iraq. The entire convention had no U.S. flags present. There were also many John Kerry signs present at their parade. This same "greens" party has been making a big push for their supporters to support Kerry rather than their own nominee. This would lead one to believe that the "greens" are one with the democrats. Therefore, what they beleive is what you beleive. Which means you are hoping for failure in Iraq, and the deaths of U.S. soldiers.I am only using the thought process you indicated for how you view conservatives. I would have to say that my view would be more accurate though, I saw hundreds of people promoting this thought process at this rally. You have listed only one person. Again, your logic, not mine.

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    Originally posted by jasper45
    I would have to say that my view would be more accurate though, I saw hundreds of people promoting this thought process at this rally. You have listed only one person. Again, your logic, not mine.
    You saw hundreds. Yet Limbaugh claims to have 20,000,000 listeners. If I remember my number lines correctly, a million is more than a hundred. And not by just a little. By a factor of 10,000. So which one is more indicative of ideology of a given party?
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    I am only using the thought process you indicated for how you view conservatives. I would have to say that my view would be more accurate though, I saw hundreds of people promoting this thought process at this rally. You have listed only one person. Again, your logic, not mine.
    Aligning our views with a few on the extreme left would be like our aligning your views with the KKK and the Aryan Nation; unfair. Yet, members of this forum continue to make baseless assumptions in this manner. We are no more "un-American" than anyone else. Our view of what America should ultimately be is obviously quite different than yours, but it is an American view, none-the-less. The reason my ignore list is chock full is because the hysterical neo-cons on this forum can't seem to debate without resorting to name-calling and childish behavior. I can't help it that the Republican candidate hid out in Texas while the Democratic candidate is a highly decorated combat veteran. One member even went as far as to compare Bush's posh life in the White House to Kerry's months in Vietnam...and not one of his neo-con cohorts here bothered to question it, so I must assume they agree with his rather hilarious position. You guys spout stuff like this and expect to be taken seriously? You post stupid attacks against Kerry on the forums on an almost daily basis; where are the attacks on Bush? You guys resort to name-calling and angry rants; yet, we on the other side of the debate do not. Of course, not everyone is like this; you guys know who you are. But, I don't blame you too much for being angry; if I were a right-wing, neo-con Republican, and my candidate (hid out in Texas) was up against a decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam War (Kerry), I'd be upset, too. Again, if the roles were reversed, the clamor from your side would have quite a different tune, I'd wager.

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    if I were a right-wing, neo-con Republican, and my candidate (hid out in Texas) was up against a decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam War (Kerry), I'd be upset, too.

    What do we have to be upset about? Kerry's campaign is in the toilet, Bush is leading in almost every poll, CBS's attempt to further discredit the President is imploding as we speak, the economy is good, people are going back to work and we are engaged in a global conflict against ISLAMOFASCISM (I will always capitalize that word since no Liberal can utter it.)

    All in all, I'd say it's pretty good to be a Conservative right now.

    ThNozzleman,

    You and scfire86 are nothing alike. He is standing by his position and I respect him for that. He has not cowered with his tail between his legs and ran like you do. You cannot back up your blather with anything but tired "Blood for Oil" rhetoric. I would gladly debate the gentleman from Southern California anyday over a Coward from Al Gore's home state anyday.

    (Someone please Copy my Post into another post so he can see it)

    Funny thing is, I have alot of issues with President Bush and his administration and am not afraid to point them out. Bush is wrong on Immigration, Bush is Wrong on Healthcare, Bush is wrong on the Environment and he is wrong on the United Nations Monitoring our election process.

    Where are the Kool-Aid drinkers on Kerry and the things he is wrong on? Be Brave, Stand up and not be afraid to point out fallacies with your candidates! Not every Politician is right on Every Issue. I would be VERY afraid of people who were 100% in line with John Kerry.

    Stop Making excuses for his ridiculous stances on some issues....

    Another few Questions (and I want these answered without any Liberal Spinning, Side-stepping, Answering the Questions with other Questions or Ignorance of the Questions)

    Why is it that unless France, Germany and Russia are operating with us, we are being "Unilateral?"

    Do the 30 nations that are in partnership with us in the Iraq War not Count?

    Why are Germany, France and Russia so damn important when it comes to Military Operations? I mean C'mon, I would not want a Frenchman in a foxhole with me....

    Why do none of you address the United Nations and it's illegal practices in the "Oil for Food" programs?

    How does the United States Benefit from being a member of the United Nations?

    Answers only please, no diatribe or Rhetoric.
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    Originally posted by scfire86


    He got caught once. Do you believe that was the only time he got behind the wheel while DUI? Dream on.

    discharge based upon documentation from military records, then why all the claims of inaccuracies of Kerry's military records as it relates to his decorations?

    And. If Kerry had committed treason, why waAnd if you so readily accept Bush's honorable s he given an honorable discharge?

    Both sets of records are from the same organization (DoD). Yet we are told Bush's records are above reproach, but Kerry's are

    inaccurate.



    There are questions about Hanoi John's records because 200 plus decorated vets challenge the record. Hanoi John will not sign the form#180 to release all his records. The president already has, that is why they had to forge papers. For Hanoi John to be correct that means that 200 plus vets are lying. Not likely. I have no idea why he was not charged with treason, he sure as hell should have been. Regardless he is a traitor in my eyes and many other vet's eyes. The only ones that have questioned Pres. Bush's records are the hateful left trying to take the heat off of Hanoi John. A true hero doesn't have to keep reminding people that he is a hero. Remember your hero opened up the military debate because he has no record in the senate. He arrogantly thought no one would call him on it. WRONG!!! He should have been charged as a war criminal. He said he was himself. Why doesn't the press call him on this? I forgot there is no liberal press.
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    Originally posted by scfire86


    Actually I was doing nothing of the sort. I was responding to a remark about Al Gore being on crack which isn't true, with a statement of Rush Limbaugh being addicted to Oxycontnin, which is true.

    But if you want to look up to Limbaugh it's none of my business. Personally I think he is hysterically funny. What is even funnier is how many conservative wackos look up to a person who is a great role model for:

    Dodging the draft.
    Premarital sex.
    Getting divorced.
    Drug addiction.
    Buying prescription drugs illegally.
    Refusing personal responsibility.


    Maybe those are conservative values and I just don't know about it. If so, maybe I'll change party affiliation.
    I went back and requoted exactly what it is you said in your post. In this post you made absolutely no mention of the "millions" of supporters or fans of Mr. Limbaugh. Your post was meant to lead one to think that one person was what you based your "viewpoint" on conservatives about. My response was simply to point out how ridiculous that was. I still maintain that claim. The only reason I made a "lump" comparison was to point out your "lump" comparison. Do I really believe that is what the "left" is all about? Hardly. Yet when a generalization is tossed out, this is what happens. I admit, I do share some political viewpoints as Mr. Limbaugh. Do I look to him as a role model? Absolutely not. Once again, my comparison and blanket statemment was not intended as an attack on your values, just trying to make a point.I also will not make any apologies for President Bush's military record. Nor will I criticize Mr. Kerry's. Both have done much more for this nation than I or many others ever have. You must note however, that President Bush did in fact state that Mr. Kerry's service in Viet nam was more heroic than his flying fighters. That is the President's own statement, and that's where he left it. Don't confuse his statements with the statement's of the swift vets. Who incidentally earned the right to be critical of of Mr. Kerry's service. They were there also. Mr. Kerry is the one who keeps this issue in the spot light. I just find it humerous how military service did not matter when Clinton was running against 2 WWII veterans. One who was wounded, with a permanent disability, and the other who was shot down. Now all of a sudden being President is dependant on military service? not only just service, but now we have to nit pick about who did more? Both men did far more than the thousands of cowards who ran to Canada.My sole dispute with Mr. Kerry's military record is what he did when he returned from Viet nam. Why is that? I read and listened to what the swift boat vets had to say. I have read what the other Vietnam veterans groups who are opposed to John Kerry had to say. Most specefically I listened to how our former POW's held in North Vietnam had to say. I also listened to what local Vietnam vet's had to say. One of whom was a POW held during time period in question. I feel he betrayed them. That is my opinion and I stand by it. I don't care what John Kerry did in Vietnam, he was there. I don't care what George Bush did in the National Guard he was there. I was in neither place. Neither of them dodged the draft, those scum were in Canada or Mexico, or Great Britain.ThNozzleman .... I agree with your statement about unfair comparison's with extremeist's viewpoints. I disagreed with scfire's post and his comparison of my viewpoints. I intended my post as an example only.

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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman

    Aligning our views with a few on the extreme left would be like our aligning your views with the KKK and the Aryan Nation; unfair. Yet, members of this forum continue to make baseless assumptions in this manner. We are no more "un-American" than anyone else. Our view of what America should ultimately be is obviously quite different than yours, but it is an American view, none-the-less. The reason my ignore list is chock full is because the hysterical neo-cons on this forum can't seem to debate without resorting to name-calling and childish behavior. I can't help it that the Republican candidate hid out in Texas while the Democratic candidate is a highly decorated combat veteran. One member even went as far as to compare Bush's posh life in the White House to Kerry's months in Vietnam...and not one of his neo-con cohorts here bothered to question it, so I must assume they agree with his rather hilarious position. You guys spout stuff like this and expect to be taken seriously? You post stupid attacks against Kerry on the forums on an almost daily basis; where are the attacks on Bush? You guys resort to name-calling and angry rants; yet, we on the other side of the debate do not. Of course, not everyone is like this; you guys know who you are. But, I don't blame you too much for being angry; if I were a right-wing, neo-con Republican, and my candidate (hid out in Texas) was up against a decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam War (Kerry), I'd be upset, too. Again, if the roles were reversed, the clamor from your side would have quite a different tune, I'd wager.
    Congratulations! That was a baseless personal attack against about 20 people at once!

    Leave us alone! We are on your ignore list!

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