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    Default A challenge for those considering John Kerry

    The Challenge for John Kerry voters.

    Leave George W. Bush out of this. Completely. This is strictly about whether Kerry has any merits.

    Examine John Kerry's political record, from his time as Dukakis's Lt.Gov to his time in the US Senate.

    Based soley on his record, why would you vote for him.

    What legislation has he introduced that excites you?

    What stances of his do you admire? (Contortionist and schizofrenics need not answer)

    Did you vote for him ahead of Dean, or Lieberman (a good man), or any of the other 9 dwarves in the primaries?

    If you want to hold forth on his stance on Iraq, please specify which stance.


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    Default Re: A challenge for those considering John Kerry

    Originally posted by pfd3501
    The Challenge for John Kerry voters.

    Leave George W. Bush out of this. Completely. This is strictly about whether Kerry has any merits.

    Examine John Kerry's political record, from his time as Dukakis's Lt.Gov to his time in the US Senate.

    Based soley on his record, why would you vote for him.
    Because Bush uses Cocaine in the White House, and because he is going to bring back the draft the second he is reelected and I might have to go to war. And Bush lied and said Saddam had WMDs, while our intelligence, other countries, and every other politician, including the great John Kerry said all along that Saddam was a nice, peaceful religious man.

    If you want to hold forth on his stance on Iraq, please specify which stance.
    I like his stance on Tuesdays when he says we should have never gone in there, and that nice peaceful man who never had WMDs should have remained in power forever.

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    Even though tongue in cheek, I would say this is the most coherent support i've heard for Kerry.

    But you broke the rules, and interjected Bush.

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    Default Re: A challenge for those considering John Kerry

    Originally posted by pfd3501
    Did you vote for him ahead of Dean, or Lieberman (a good man), or any of the other 9 dwarves in the primaries?
    I'm glad to know liberals aren't the only ones who engage in personal attacks.

    But I will vote for Kerry for one reason. He doesn't skewer the english language.

    He will try to get some fiscal responsibility back into govt. If that means higher taxes, so be it. As a responsible citizen that should be the legacy we leave to our decendants. This administration zoomed past $7T and is headed towards $10T without even a blink. Interest on the national debt is becoming one of the highest non-discretionary line items in the budget and no one seems to care. By having a DEM president the GOP congress will get back to whining like the little pussies they are about tax and spend liberals and put some gridlock into the system that currently has none.

    And that will be a good thing.
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    Default SC - you failed the challenge

    Business people have been doing the math already

    Even with massive tax increases, the defecit will blister with Kerry's proposals.

    I said based on his record - why do you support him?

    You couldn't come up with anything, based on his record.

    Just some name calling, and a poorly veiled dig.

    Since you lost the challenge, admit it.

    You're not voting for Kerry, you're voting against Bush. Since you're doing that, why not vote for Nader?

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    Default Re: SC - you failed the challenge

    Originally posted by pfd3501

    You're not voting for Kerry, you're voting against Bush. Since you're doing that, why not vote for Nader?
    Is this the same group that predicted doom and gloom when Clinton signed the Balanced Budget Act? Not a good track record to base future projections upon. So, I'll give them all the credibility they deserve.

    And you would be correct. It is one of the prerogatives I have as a voter.

    And I don't like Nader. I could ask why you aren't voting for Buchanan. He's a better conservative than Bush.
    Last edited by scfire86; 09-22-2004 at 06:16 PM.
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    Default Once again you dodge the question

    But I'll reply, anyway.

    Clinton didn't have and couldn't have a balanced budget until after 1994. Do you know what happened then? That's when we the people voted a conservative majority into both houses.

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    Default Re: Once again you dodge the question

    Originally posted by pfd3501
    But I'll reply, anyway.

    Clinton didn't have and couldn't have a balanced budget until after 1994. Do you know what happened then? That's when we the people voted a conservative majority into both houses.
    With a GOP Congress and President that is clearly not the case now.
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    Default Why you ask ?

    1. Over 1000 troops KIA in Iraq and several thousand more wounded

    2. We went to war because daddy didn't finish the job back in 1991 and now we have no clear direction from either guy on how to finsh off the war over there. Short of a clear plan, pull out of there and let them kill each other they have no regard for life so let them destroy thier people and not ours.

    3. My pay check has not made any great strides under this president so maybe the next guy will have a better economic plan.

    4. The fact that I have to work 2 jobs and my wife works 2 jobs since he became president has left a sour taste in my mouth. Maybe my wife and me will only have to work 3 jobs under the next guy or 5 ...I'm willing to gamble

    5. I do not enjoy paying 2.00 plus for gas

    6. I not like the fact my food bill has gone up by more than fifty bucks a week

    7. Im willing to give the other guy a chance.

    8. I don't need any of the posters here to tell me how to vote

    and I didn't use any name calling in this post
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    Default Re: Why you ask ?

    Originally posted by Ltmdepas3280
    1. Over 1000 troops KIA in Iraq and several thousand more wounded

    2. We went to war because daddy didn't finish the job back in 1991 and now we have no clear direction from either guy on how to finsh off the war over there. Short of a clear plan, pull out of there and let them kill each other they have no regard for life so let them destroy thier people and not ours.

    3. My pay check has not made any great strides under this president so maybe the next guy will have a better economic plan.

    4. The fact that I have to work 2 jobs and my wife works 2 jobs since he became president has left a sour taste in my mouth. Maybe my wife and me will only have to work 3 jobs under the next guy or 5 ...I'm willing to gamble

    5. I do not enjoy paying 2.00 plus for gas

    6. I not like the fact my food bill has gone up by more than fifty bucks a week

    7. Im willing to give the other guy a chance.

    8. I don't need any of the posters here to tell me how to vote

    and I didn't use any name calling in this post
    1000 is alot, and some of us have family and friends there who believe in what they are doing. So do I.Daddy didn't finish the job is not a real compelling argument. I do agree though, if George H.W. Bush had gone to Baghdad, instead of trying to do what the UN wanted we might not be in this position.I assume you work for a municipal department, with the IAFF in your signature, I do also. My paycheck hasn't either, only the 2.5 to 3% raises I used to get under Clinton in the booming '90's. Those are the same raises I get now. BTW, I paid for a portion of my own health care under Clinton as well, just like now.I'm not married, but I only work one job. Nothing else I could come up with here, except I do live comfortably. I have to admit it though, I earn more now than I ever have before.I hate paying $2.00 or more a gallon for gas, though I fail to realize why that is our President's fault, especially when Kerry wanted to add 50 cents tax per gallon.I don't really know what to tell you about your food, except high gas adds cost to alot of things, but if you blame the President for high gas I guess that makes sense.I am not willing to give the other guy a chance, for a myriad of reasons too long to list right now.I don't need any posters telling me how to vote either, or a union for that matter.

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    Default pfd3501

    You proved yourself right here. Not one person could give one reason they are voting for Kerry based on the Man's Record. Because he has no record.

    If you are going to vote for Kerry because you just don't like Bush, please stay home on November 2nd. I don't need people who vote based on personal dislikes electing our leaders. I didn't personally like Bill Clinton, but I voted for him in 1996 because I didn't like what Bob Dole came to the table with (Even though he was more likeable and more "American" that Clinton.)

    Reasons I am not Voting for John Kerry:
    1. the Vietnam thing sealed it. I would not vote for someone to lead our Military after what he said in 1971 in Detroit. You cannot lead the same people you take a dump on.

    2. Most liberal Senator, I don't want my hard earned money paying for welfare moms who pump out kids like a conveyor belt with different men and refuse to work.

    3. The man takes no solid position on anything. I would be surprised if he had a Bowel Movement that was Consistent.

    4. His wife is atrocious. When they said "***" she thought they said "class" and moved to the front of the line. Her crass treatment of anyone who criticizes her makes her less attractive than Tipper Gore and Hilary Clinton combined.

    5. He chastizes Corporations for outsourcing jobs overseas when his Wife's inherited company does the very same thing.

    6. While Speaking to the Auto Workers Union, he says he drives all kinds of SUV's, on Earth day, he "Doesn't Own an SUV, his Family Owns them..."

    Now don't get me wrong, Bush isn't 100% on everything with me. I have said it before. But I am going to go with the person that makes me feel secure in my Country. Sorry, I am doing my part to "Flush the Johns."
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    Default Re: pfd3501

    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    But I am going to go with the person that makes me feel secure in my Country. Sorry, I am doing my part to "Flush the Johns."
    That is the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals don't need another person to make them feel secure in their country. Conservatives do.
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    Default Re: pfd3501

    Originally posted by TillerMan25
    Most liberal Senator, I don't want my hard earned money paying for welfare moms who pump out kids like a conveyor belt with different men and refuse to work.
    And which President in the last 20 years proposed and passed Welfare reform? That would be Clinton.

    Depite all the posturings of 'welfare queens' neither Reagan or Bush Sr. did a thing about it.
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    And I don't like Nader. I could ask why you aren't voting for Buchanan. He's a better conservative than Bush.
    Ummm, he's not running?

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    Originally posted by scfire86


    And which President in the last 20 years proposed and passed Welfare reform? That would be Clinton.

    Depite all the posturings of 'welfare queens' neither Reagan or Bush Sr. did a thing about it.
    Nice twist. Clinton was forced into this by the GOP Congress. And it is my recollection that he only "proposed" it after one of the most liberal states in the nation, Wisconsin, adopted it.

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    Default Re: Re: pfd3501

    Originally posted by scfire86


    That is the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals don't need another person to make them feel secure in their country. Conservatives do.
    Yeah, you feel safe because it is the liberal way to appease and back down. It is a false safety and is, by no means, security. See how well France has made out all these years.

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    Default Re: Re: Re: pfd3501

    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


    Nice twist. Clinton was forced into this by the GOP Congress. And it is my recollection that he only "proposed" it after one of the most liberal states in the nation, Wisconsin, adopted it.
    Welfare reform, or "W2" was enacted by Wisconsin's former Governor Tommy Thompson. He is currently serving in President Bush's cabinet.

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    Default Re: Why you ask ?

    Originally posted by Ltmdepas3280
    1. Over 1000 troops KIA in Iraq and several thousand more wounded

    2. We went to war because daddy didn't finish the job back in 1991 and now we have no clear direction from either guy on how to finsh off the war over there. Short of a clear plan, pull out of there and let them kill each other they have no regard for life so let them destroy thier people and not ours.

    3. My pay check has not made any great strides under this president so maybe the next guy will have a better economic plan.

    4. The fact that I have to work 2 jobs and my wife works 2 jobs since he became president has left a sour taste in my mouth. Maybe my wife and me will only have to work 3 jobs under the next guy or 5 ...I'm willing to gamble

    5. I do not enjoy paying 2.00 plus for gas

    6. I not like the fact my food bill has gone up by more than fifty bucks a week

    7. Im willing to give the other guy a chance.

    8. I don't need any of the posters here to tell me how to vote

    and I didn't use any name calling in this post
    1. 1000 is alot, but it is a fraction of the people the US has liberated and saved.
    2. This is an ignorant reason. The UN authorized this war. By way of history, however, they are also appeasers and put things off to try to make everybody play in the sandbox nice.
    3. Your take home will almost assuredly go down, with the increased taxes. Not made any "great strides"? Did you join the fire service to get rich?
    4. If you are working 2 jobs each, you both choose to work 2 jobs in order to maintain the standard of living you have chosen. No president is making you work 2 jobs. There are a multitudeo f choices you have to stop working 2 jobs. Among them are; lower your standard of living, move, or get a job in another line of work.
    5. I do not enjoy paying $2 for gas either. Maybe if the Dems would make it easier for new refineries to open, the price of gas would go down substantially. You know, that old "law of supply and demand thing"?
    6. And how, pray tell, does the President have anything to do with your food bill?
    7. He had his chance to stand up for his country and failed miserably. In the 1970's.
    8. I am not telling you how to vote. And disagreement is not name-calling.

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    Default Why you ask ?

    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


    1. 1000 is alot, but it is a fraction of the people the US has liberated and saved.
    That would be great if liberation were the reason for going to war. It was not. And had it been the only reason, there would have been absolutely no support for the war.

    Name one predicted thing about the war in Iraq that has come to pass.

    1. We would find stockpiles of WMD's......um 'no'.
    2. We would be welcomed as liberators......1000+ KIA, 7000+ WIA and counting...that would also be 'no'.
    3. There would be no cost to the US taxpayer since the war and reconstruction would be paid via oil revenues....'no' again.

    So what part of this has been a success?
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    1. 1000 is alot, but it is a fraction of the people the US has liberated and saved.
    Not the purpose of this thread. But, nice try, on attempting to deflect the discussion away from the shortcomings of your candidate.

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