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    Anybody know what the process is like for Philadelphia. I hear you have to be a resident a year prior just to take the test. I have also been hearing a lot of horror stories about how impossible it is to get hired by the city. Also what is the written like, standard civil service test, or is it fire based like the FDNY test. Thanks

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    Philadelphia fire department I heard is one of the most difficult departments to get in. A neighbor of mine got in about 15 years ago. He got in as a medic and did 5 plus years before he saw fire. Philly also requires you to be a resident before hire. Also was told that the haven't tested in a long time because they hire within (medics that cross over) You can try this website for more info.
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    Philly is a whole different world (kind of). Need to be a resident 1 year prior, no exceptions (unless you can cheat the system, plenty of people have, it's just difficult).

    "Unofficially" they tend to skip around the list to hire enough minorities, and if you're white it makes life even more difficult. Also, the city has put a hold on hiring firefighters, is doing their best to close 8 firehouses, and also I've heard rumors of lay offs (but I doubt anything will come of the layoffs).

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    I can get the residency, but basically if I am other than a minority the odds of getting hired are slimm to nonexistent no matter how high my scores are? Thats terrific. Whats the written like anyway on the off chance I end up testing for them?

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    You can do it, but if having veterans points also helps out a lot in this case.
    The written it easy. They give you a review book, study it, memorize it and take the exam. Easiest exam I've taken yet.

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    Hey guys I,ve looked into philly pretty extensively and found nothing but bad news. First of all if any of you are from Philly you now how that city works sucks!!! Second i,ve talked to some guys on the job who told me if your not a minority or have vet points its hopeless they have hired 1 of these people in over 20 years. Plus the cuts are very real its got so bad this summer they even held portions of paychecks for over a month. I know this sounds horrible and it is especially being my hometown............So I've been going other places and just waiting and praying for FDNY.... good luck to all

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    take it from me when i say it is extremely hard to get on in philly, i am on the list from the last test they gave in 2000. being that my fire dept. is on the boarder of philly we sometimes run with them and we send our guys to their academy so we hear all of the horror stories first hand and its definitly true, if you wanna work in philly you need to be a minority or a vet, the vet thing i understand because those guys deserve what they get, but the minority thing, please give me a break. like someone said before it was the easiest test ever "if you studied the book." so why they "have" to hire people who got horrible grades on a test like this while people with great grades are still waiting is beyond me, but i guess thats life. another quick fact is the city owes the dept. something like 200 guys due to the "DROP" program, also the next test is in 2006. my advice is to give up the philly route and look into places that are a little more fair and give good people who deserve the job a fighting chance, places like FDNY or Washington DC, good luck brothers.

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    Thanks for the heads up. I am a Bucks County fireman right near philly but from all of the guys it sounds pretty awful to get into, maybe I should do some time in the reserves. LOL

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    hey brothers, i was just reading over my last post and there is one thing i would like to change, dont give up the philly route totally, i mean cuz you never know, like i said the city owes them alot of guys with the chance of alot more to come, and if your anything like me then you will hang onto any little bit of hope if it means their is a chance you can get on in a city dept, even if that chance is near impossible. i know ill be taking the next test, but i also know i wont be holding my breath waiting for a phone call, im looking forward to the next DC test "its good to know their are still a few departments left that hire those based on thier scores," and im still praying they reach my number in new york, haha ok im done preaching. keep the faith brothers, be safe.

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    Lightbulb Philadelphia Naval Yard FD is Hiring

    The Naval Yard is Hiring !!!




    Vacancy Announcement Number: CAR-OC-0014



    Opening Date: 06/10/2004 Closing Date: 06/10/2005
    Position: FIREFIGHTER (EMT) GS-0081-05/06

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    Anyone got any info/updates on this ????

    I JUST took the test a couple weeks ago (and man was the line LONG). Talked to a few guys that were paramedics and they were trying to move over. They get 10 bonus points to start with, and vets only get 5.

    Anyhows...like they said, if you studied the packet they sent, there's NO reason you can't score 90 or above. Its THAT simple.....

    And I've seen online the stuff about minorities. I got screwed out of a job at NJ Transit due to minorities. Had to pull the strings to get get my paperwork seen.

    Gov't jobs are REALLY political....sad to say....

    Anyhows....keep putting the wet stuff on the hot stuff....

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    Still very short number wise. I would expect a class sometime around March of 2006 or thereabouts.

    Brief correction. Medics get 10 points after 5 years of service with the PFD. Vets get 10 points as well. Medics who are Vets only get a maximum of 10 points. They can chose which 10 to take.

    Its not as hard as you think. I took the test had no added points scored a 99 and was hired in the 3rd class off the test. It CAN be done. You just need to WANT IT MORE THAN THE NEXT GUY.

    Study the book, thats all that matters. Forget whats right, forget what you know. The answer will come from the study booklet, right or wrong.

    Test was held a few months ago so dont look for another test for a few years, sorry to all the late commers.

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    Yo PFD - how soon AFTER the test were you notified ?

    I just took this last test in Nov and haven't heard anything yet. Is there some place I can see the list and find out where I rank ?

    Yes, that test WAS 'ALL' out of the packet. I just wonder if they got my DD214 for my Vet points.

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    Couple months after you take the test you will get a letter stating your score and your rank on the list. If your score doesnt have a "V" next to it when you get your letter contact the VA immediately. No "V" means vets points havent been awarded. DO NOT DELAY ON CONTACTING THE VA. It might be the difference between getting the job and not. It might also help to call the union hall and ask for somebody to direct you to the correct person at the VA to speak with. The VA has stepped up for several of my friends that had similar problems. The sent the DD214 in, but never received credit. City had numerous reasons why, none good.

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    Good scoop. Thanks for the tidbit

    Its 10 days from 2 months since the test and no papers....so I guess I'll just keep an eye out for a while....

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    City told the union the list should be out within 2-3 weeks.

    It also is rumor that they will be putting in 2 classes at the same time. Changing the cadet schedule from M-F to 4 days on 4 days off. The classes will rotate so the academy will be running 7 days a week.
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    Just another one of the 99%ers looking up.

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    Thanks for the update. Hope to hear soon.
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    How many classes are they expected to take off of this list? How many people per class?

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    Default cost of living in Philly...

    PFD truckie; Can firemen in Philly still afford a good middle-class life like we used to here in NY until rudy mussolini, i mean guiliani made us eat 4 years of 0%? New York, as they say, has "jumped the shark" in terms of livability. thanks for any input PFD...I appreciate it.

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    You don't even have to be on the PFD to know you can bank 100k a year working for them due to all the OT (I'd love to see a cost analysis on how much the city could save if they just stopped allowing FFs to run on the ambulances).

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    The OT isnt like it was. With the recent downgrading of medic units, most of the medic unit OT dried up some will return this summer with vacation. Also some will return with the hiring of fire classes because some medics will be in the class and some medics will be teaching the class (emt portion). You can still live OK, but not great. It helps to get a second job on your 4 days off. You start at like 31000 which isnt crap around here and top at like 47000 which isnt crap either. But the 4 on 4 off help you make ends meet with a side job.

    That cost analysis thing that was mentioned. If the city stopped allowing FF to work the medic units, the medic units would not run. Kinda hard to open the doors with only 1 person on the truck. Not enough medics, so somebody has to work.
    Just another one of the 99%ers looking up.

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    Rumor has it that the test is graded and a list completed. Rumor also is that most of the top positions on the list are current medics working for the fire department. This may slow down hiring because even though we need FF we need medics even more. Im not sure the system could handle the loss of 20-30 medics at one time. Either way, new FF should expect to work BLS medic units on a more regular basis.
    Just another one of the 99%ers looking up.

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    Chief staff notes of 1/23/06 list will be out soon. Expected to hire immediately 2 classes to total 160 FF. Target date of mid april to may 1 for start of class.
    Just another one of the 99%ers looking up.

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    Just the scoop I was wanting to hear.

    We getting the lists mailed out to us or can we find it elsewhere ?? I tried looking online this week and got no where.

    If you can hook a brother up, I'd much appreciate it as well

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    The entire list will not be mailed to you. You will receive a letter stating your score on the test and you rank on the list. It will also show if you were awarded veterans preference by the letter "V" next to your score. Expect them in the mail soon.
    Just another one of the 99%ers looking up.

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