This is politicly in-corrrect, therefore I must post it. It works this time.

[PFire23]

Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
If Canada wants open borders with us as they were pre-9/11, then they need to take care of who they let on to the continent through their ports of entry.

I agree with you 100% on this DTM.

[mcaldwell]

Tiller & STM

You know this may sound a little cynical, but your opinions that the towel-heads, or whatever you want to call them are the core of the US’s problems is really a narrow and ignorant viewpoint. And the fact that Canada is “sensitive” simply means we are not on very many people’s target list.

In the last hundred years, the US has hated the Germans for the first two WW’s, the Japanese for Pearl Harbor, the Koreans for the Korean War, the Russians (or communists in general) for the cold war, the Cubans for the missile crisis, the Vietnamese for the Vietnam War, and most recently the Muslims for the terrorism. Oh, and lets not forget the blacks over the last couple of hundred years too. Are there any other evil empires, nationalities, or races that I’ve missed?

We lets not forget that many of the same Muslim terrorists that are attacking and plotting against you know were once trained by your intelligence community to fight the Russians (who apparently aren’t so evil anymore). Saddam Hussein was armed and funded by the US during the Iran-Iraq war, and the Saudi’s have been the privately funded oilfield of the US for 30 years. And the guys who blew up the Oklahoma City building were Americans too.

The simple fact is, no single nationality, race, or religion is evil, and every war or significant attack of the last hundred years was perpetrated by a few “evil” or misguided individuals who managed to manipulate large groups of people towards their cause. The “Muslims” are the enemy of the week, and once their leadership either gets suppressed by US and international efforts, or they lose their ability to fund and recruit to their cause, they will disappear off the map and some other group will take up their place. Every time you propagate the stereotype of the rude, insensitive American, you only help to motivate another misdirected young kid to attend a training camp, or strap a bomb to his chest and expand the risk from this particular kind of threat.

In my personal opinion, it is more important to stay focused on who the enemy really is, or you’ll only serve to create more enemies.

[Dalmatian90]

Guys, look at your own houses before throwing stones.

Oh, and lets not forget the blacks over the last couple of hundred years too.

You, in one stroke, managed to exhibit the same bigotted, intolerant, ignorant attitude you disdain in others.

[mcaldwell]

Originally posted by Dalmatian90
Guys, look at your own houses before throwing stones.

Oh, and lets not forget the blacks over the last couple of hundred years too.

You, in one stroke, managed to exhibit the same bigotted, intolerant, ignorant attitude you disdain in others.

C'mon Dal, If you can't see the complete and utter sarcasm in my post...

[ffexpCP]

My trip to Canada last week went something like this

Entering Canada: Citizenship?
US
What’s the purpose for your visit?
Wing night at the bar.
Have a good evening.
(they never asked for ID)
Exchanging Currency: ID blacklight test
Studys ID picture
Swipes ID in data reader.
Sir, you'll have to leave your pocket knife at the coatcheck.
Entering US: Where do you live?
Soo, MI
Everyone US citizens?
Yes sir.
How long and why were you in Canada?
A few hours, we went to wing night.
(peaks in the back of my car)
Have a good night.

Wow, what a comprehensive interrogation. I feel safe. The currency exchange at the casino looked at our IDs more than the borders did.

[stm4710]

Originally posted by ffexpCP
My trip to Canada last week went something like this

Entering Canada: Citizenship?
US
What’s the purpose for your visit?
Wing night at the bar.
Have a good evening.
(they never asked for ID)
Exchanging Currency: ID blacklight test
Studys ID picture
Swipes ID in data reader.
Sir, you'll have to leave your pocket knife at the coatcheck.
Entering US: Where do you live?
Soo, MI
Everyone US citizens?
Yes sir.
How long and why were you in Canada?
A few hours, we went to wing night.
(peaks in the back of my car)
Have a good night.

Wow, what a comprehensive interrogation. I feel safe. The currency exchange at the casino looked at our IDs more than the borders did.

This is very true, very true. I have been to the land up north and the everytime at the border is the same thing you just described.......only they ask if we had anything to declare.....got to make sure they get paid on both sides you know.


God I would hate for the people of FH.COM to goto a comedy club together. 1/3 would be ROFLMAO over a good draught,1/3 would be be on the kenningston von snoute high horse and the other third would be argueing why the other two couldnt get along and wear tradition helmets and use smoothbore nozzles.

[glowpop]

Originally posted by ffexpCP
Entering US: Where do you live?
Soo, MI
Everyone US citizens?
Yes sir.
How long and why were you in Canada?
A few hours, we went to wing night.
(peaks in the back of my car)
Have a good night.

Wow, what a comprehensive interrogation. I feel safe. The currency exchange at the casino looked at our IDs more than the borders did.

This is exactly what I was referring to. At least the US Border Patrol should ask for photo ID from everyone entering the US. While I know that drivers licences can be forged, asking everyone for a photo ID would at least make things a little more difficult for those who would do us harm.

And DTM, the discretionary spending I'm referring to is those items that are not Constitutionally given to the US Government, like funding research into the sex lives of the north american squirrel, grants to fund questionable art, or to fund condom and needle distrubution to drug addicts. Protecting our borders from those who are not given permission to enter is our responsibility. I agree that Canada could do more, but in absense of them doing a better job we should be doing more.

[protomkv]

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Originally posted by ffexpCP
Entering US: Where do you live?
Soo, MI
Everyone US citizens?
Yes sir.
How long and why were you in Canada?
A few hours, we went to wing night.
(peaks in the back of my car)
Have a good night.

Wow, what a comprehensive interrogation. I feel safe. The currency exchange at the casino looked at our IDs more than the borders did.

Exactly the same at the Mexican border, My accent is unmistakably English, I came back into the USA at the El Paso crossing and the border patrol just asked "are you a US citizen", no ID check whatsoever, good job I dont have terrorist intentions.

[DennisTheMenace]

If Canadia and Mexico would just check their points of entry better, then we would not need anyone at either border.

[glowpop]

Our safety is our responsibility. We shouldn't depend on anyone else to do it for us.

In fact lets use your argument to the absurd.

"If only Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran would only make sure that those pesky terrorists wouldn't get on the plane leaving for New York, then we wouldn't need agents from INS at Kennedy Airport either."

We shouldn't depend on others to protect our citizens and our homeland. I'm not saying that we need to entirely close our country to immigration, but we need to make sure that everyone here has entered properly and we keep track of them once they are here. When their visa's expire we should make sure that they leave.

The fact that we have open borders with Mexico and Canada should also be examined and we should discuss with their governments how we can work together to protect ourselves, BUT we shouldn't give up our right to protect ourselves to other countries.