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    From one of the biggest Yankee fans on here, if these disturbances were a reaction to the Yankees loss (or the Red Sox win, whatever the case may be), this is just another embarrasment in the total picture. There is NEVER an excuse for this type of behavior.

    And let me tell ya, dude, I hope that you are kidding when you say that you wish you were there. I was in the bleahcers in 1976 when Chambliss hit his HR in the ninth to win the ACLS from the Royals. The fans damn near tore Yankee Stadium down that night, That was one scary place to be. Not anything I would like to see again.

    BTW, there is not usually a spectator seating area at a riot. They don't usually issue sideline passes. If you are there, the cops assume you are a participant. You get treated like a participant.


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    For those international members that don't know, the riots were a result of the New York Yankees losing Game 7 to the Boston Red Sox, advancing the Sox to the World Series.
    Jesus...are they turning into Brits....
    I thought Rioting was a byword for British Football (sorry, soccer) I thought it was just us with our crazy war like Island mentality who liked to riot for any reason... Winning sports, losing sports, increase in taxes, someone getting arrested....etc...etc...

    Seriously though this is a major problem in the UK, crews are facing this sort of disorder in Cities all over this country. There have been numerous attacks on Fire Crews with on-Board Cameras and Riot shields a regular fixture on many Fire Trucks...

    Although the 'super riots' of the 80's in places such as Brixton & Tottenham in London, Moss side in Manchester, Toxteth in Liverpool that went on for days and destroyed entire neighbourhoods haven't happenned for a while, smaller gang fights that run from street to street, burning and breaking stuff up happen on a frighteningly regular basis. Apart from the odd Soccer riot, there has been a massive rise in Roiting by Muslim Gangs in our cities. They burn out churches and Pubs... anything that is deemed 'Western' but no one will grab the bull by the horns and deal with it....wringing their hands instead worrying about accusations of Racism or breaching of Human rights!!!

    My article in the memberzone Here deals with the issue and what can be done to assist or protect the crews. We are only a couple of weeks off of our bonfire season that coincides with a major islamic festival...this is a good reason to have a riot. My own Station last year had an additional 2 Pumps (Engine co's) posted in to deal with the high number of incidents on Nov th (Bonfire night) even then the 4 Pumps were not enough to deal with the 50 odd incidents dealt with between 4pm and midnight. with Crews from 9 different Stations on our ground at one point.

    Good luck to all of you over there and pray this was a one off....also spare your UK Brothers & Sisters a thought on November 5th and the weekends either side. I am on duty both weekends so that'll be all good.
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    Originally posted by rallydog93535

    I say if they want to act like animals, treat them like animals. Bean bag rounds have an amazing way of quelling the idiotic masses. As does tear gas, mace, pepperspray, and tazering.

    NOBODY DESERVES THIS! It is after all only a baseball game.

    Woman injured in celebration outside Fenway dies
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    BOSTON - A 21-year-old college student died Thursday from injuries she received as police tried to subdue the rowdy crowd outside Fenway Park following the Red Sox's series-clinching win over the Yankees, a hospital spokeswoman said.

    Victoria Snelgrove, an Emerson College journalism major from Bridgewater, was injured on Landsdowne Street early Thursday morning as fans poured out of bars and into the streets around Kenmore Square after the final out in Boston's 10-3 win at Yankee Stadium, authorities said.

    A spokeswoman for Brigham and Women's Hospital said Snelgrove died there at 12:50 p.m.

    Mayor Tom Menino told WBZ-AM that Snelgrove was hit in the head by a ``non-lethal weapon,'' but he did not elaborate. Menino did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press Thursday afternoon.

    David Procopio, a spokesman for the Suffolk district attorney, said the office is investigating the incident.

    ``One factor that is being investigated is whether her injuries were sustained in any way during crowd control measures,'' Procopio said. ``That has not been confirmed or determined yet.''

    Sixteen people were injured in all, including a police officer whose wounds were not severe, a police spokeswoman said.

    Several small fires were set, fireworks shot into the sky, a trash can was thrown at a fast-food restaurant sign and numerous fights broke out.

    Boston police reported eight arrests in the neighborhood, mostly for disorderly conduct, though one arrest was reported for assault and battery on a police officer.

    David Rosen, a spokesman for Emerson College, said school officials were unsure how Snelgrove died and that the hospital did not provide details of her injuries.

    ``There are several different accounts of how it happened,'' he said. ``I'm sure the police and the city will conduct a full investigation, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how it happened. It's a great personal tragedy for this individual, her family and her many friends here at the college. We'll mourn her death no matter how it happened.''

    Rosen said a memorial service was being planned and grief counselors would be on hand to help students deal with Snelgrove's death.

    Students also gathered on college campuses around the region following the game.

    About 5,000 people flooded the Southwest residential hall complex at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst. UMass Sgt. David White said 29 people were arrested. One UMass police officer was injured while making an arrest.

    At UMass-Dartmouth, about 2,000 people were dispersed by police using stun grenades and several arrests were made.

    In New Hampshire, police made about 15 arrests as crowds got out of hand near Plymouth State University. Police said crowds swarmed the campus and surrounding neighborhoods.

    And at the University of Vermont, more than 1,000 people gathered, setting fires, toppling light poles and fences and tipping a van on its side. No injuries were reported.

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    Rioters should be shot. Period. We've gotten way too soft in this country. No way should throwing rocks at first responders be tolerated.

    As to why they're rioting-probably time for some new appliances and other merchandise.

    Please stay safe, FDNY and NYPD.

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    Originally posted by kentbwj
    Rioters should be shot. Period. We've gotten way too soft in this country. No way should throwing rocks at first responders be tolerated.

    As to why they're rioting-probably time for some new appliances and other merchandise.

    Please stay safe, FDNY and NYPD.
    Do you suppose you are over-reacting just a tad?

    Rioters are breaking the law. There is usually alcohol involved. They commit ancillary crimes like agg. assault on public safety personnel. They often cause injuries.

    But shot? We don't shoot people who shoot people.

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    just like to know where this is coming from because as of this post there is nothing localy on tv, radio or 'net about any of the info in the first thread



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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI




    But shot? We don't shoot people who shoot people.

    Well, maybe we should. They'd be much less likely to reoffend.

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    Default Re: reported

    Originally posted by jensam433
    just like to know where this is coming from because as of this post there is nothing localy on tv, radio or 'net about any of the info in the first thread



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    Originally posted by DennisTheMenace
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    17 hours doesnt tell me the source of the original report.
    Like I said earlier there are no reports in any of the NYC media (unlike the death in Boston which is an AP story)
    As we all know anyone can say anything on the net but facts are facts and there is nothing of significance being reported from NYC.

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    It doesn't surprise me much that you are not seeing much news coverage of the post-game revelry, especially if there have not been any deaths or other "newsworthy" events. I would not necessarily assume it was a riot, just the unfortunate after-effects of large sporting events mixed with alcohol consumption.

    I was attending College in Toronto for the Jay's 94 World Series win, and I partied all night long on Younge Street with well over a half-million partiers. I saw three destroyed taxi cabs, and one destroyed streetcar along with many broken windows and other vandalism. I thought it was insane at the time, and bordering on a riot, but it didn't receive any news coverage at all. In fact, early in the evening while I was still somewhat sober, I stopped to talk with a couple of Toronto Metro Police who were monitoring activities from the intersection of a side street, and they simply said, "No big deal, this always happens after a big event like this. We just try to pick out the worst trouble makers and stay out of the way"

    The difference between a riot and a big street party can be a fine line sometimes. As those officers told me, sometimes you just have to keep your head down and stay out of the way until it blows over.
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    What dennis the mennace said a few posts back is actualy true, the fans suck, what a bunch of pathetic sore loosers. I hope they all get thrown in jail and have to pay for their stupity. I hope those people know that if they throw stuff at cops and hurt them, the solid steel battons will make contact with their thick skulls. Also if anyone dies (innocently) due to these riots and can be connected to the riot-goer, maybe 50-life would be a nice end.


    Stay safe and I hope these idiots get the full force of the law thrown at them. Dont make crap like this up.
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    Originally posted by CollegeBuff


    You're right, FFFRED made the whole thing up.
    Yeah. He has no way of knowing what was going on in NYC, right?

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    I haven't heard of any riots in NY, at all. Can anyone name a source of the story or post the articles? I am sure there were some roudy fans after the game who might have stirred up some trouble but the type of riots spoken about here would not be generated in this city for a baseball game. Boston on the other hand had to deal with a much more volitile crowd and even suffered a unfortunate death from a rubber bullet as the police tried to break up the crowd.
    Lets face it, this was an emotionally charges series that has had bad feelings festering since 1918 but it's not an isolated incident since this kind of nonsense happens at most big sporting events around the world and not just here. The bottom line here is this-It's over lets move on.
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    Originally posted by Smokeetr4
    I haven't heard of any riots in NY, at all. Can anyone name a source of the story or post the articles? I am sure there were some roudy fans after the game who might have stirred up some trouble but the type of riots spoken about here would not be generated in this city for a baseball game. Boston on the other hand had to deal with a much more volitile crowd and even suffered a unfortunate death from a rubber bullet as the police tried to break up the crowd.
    Lets face it, this was an emotionally charges series that has had bad feelings festering since 1918 but it's not an isolated incident since this kind of nonsense happens at most big sporting events around the world and not just here. The bottom line here is this-It's over lets move on.
    Here is Fred's original post. My guess is that Fred was LISTENING as it happened, based on how his post is written. Then again, maybe CB is right, he made it up and the Red Sox didn't actually win.

    Originally posted by FFFRED
    Companies are responding to numerous rubbish, auto fires in Harlem, Washington Heights, Inwood & the South Bronx.

    Numerous shots fired in area. NYPD is reporting riots have broke out.

    Ladder Co. 45 was pellted by bottles thrown from civilians at one box.

    Many companies are letting the fires burn as there are large groups of rowdy people keeping them from the area.

    Companies are traveling fire to fire extinguishing what they can.

    Now a box in Little Italy reporting rubbish extending to scafolding on a building.

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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


    Yeah. He has no way of knowing what was going on in NYC, right?

    I dont know where FFFRED is posting from George but you and I have the same LE background and reside in the lovely tristate area, both know how much the local media jumps on stories of civil unrest and mahem, and that being said & me with way too much time on my hands still dont know where these stories are coming from.
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    Originally posted by jensam433



    I dont know where FFFRED is posting from George but you and I have the same LE background and reside in the lovely tristate area,

    Well...it is true.....My best friend is a FF in 95 Engine....they were running all night....car fires, rubbish fires...etc......and the media doesn't jump on everything that happens in NYC. I have been on many incidents that never made the news......and I not only worked in NYC but I live in Bayridge, Brooklyn.
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    just wait till the boston mayor bans alcohol during the world Series games!!!

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    BOSTON (AP) - Mayor Thomas Menino said he was considering banning alcohol sales near Fenway Park during the World Series, following rowdy celebrations of the Red Sox's league championship that turned deadly when a police officer shot a projectile into a crowd.

    Menino planned to meet with bar and nightclub owners Friday and also said he would press colleges to expel students found guilty of criminal conduct in the melee.

    "Since people won't accept responsibility, I, as mayor, will take it into my own hands," Menino said.


    Emerson College student Victoria Snelgrove, 21, died Thursday, hours after being hit in the eye with what was designed to be a non-lethal projectile that would douse the target with a pepper-like spray. Her father expressed outrage at the city's response to her death.

    Witnesses said Snelgrove was standing outside the ballpark when a reveler threw a bottle at a mounted police officer. Another officer fired the plastic, pepper-spray filled balls into the crowd, hitting Snelgrove.

    Fifteen other people, including a police officer, suffered minor injuries in Boston's Kenmore Square neighborhood near Fenway Park after thousands of baseball fans spilled onto the streets to celebrate the Red Sox triumph Wednesday night at New York's Yankee Stadium. Small fires were set and fights broke out. Boston police reported eight arrests, mostly for disorderly conduct.

    Menino said that to avoid a repeat of the rowdiness in his city, he was considering imposing the alcohol-sales ban through a state law never before used in Boston. The law lets him ban sale or distribution of alcohol "in cases of riot or great public excitement."

    He said he may also ask bar and restaurant operators not to let television stations broadcast live scenes from inside their establishments during games, as at least one station did Wednesday.

    Peter Martineau, manager of Boston Beer Works, across from Fenway Park, expressed sympathy for Snelgrove's family but blamed area college students for causing the problems.

    "They all want to come out to the Fenway for the excitement," he said. "I don't think the remedy is banning bars and restaurants from serving liquor. If you can't serve beer or anything, why would people come out? It's a beer works."

    Officials said the projectiles are not supposed to be aimed at people's faces, and Police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole said she would "firmly and emphatically accept responsibilities for any errors."

    But, she continued, "I also condemn in the harshest words possible the actions of the punks (Wednesday) night who turned our city's victory into an opportunity for violence and mindless destruction."

    The student's father, Rick Snelgrove, said angrily that she did nothing wrong. Standing outside the family home, he held up a photograph of his smiling daughter.

    "What happened to her should not happen to any American citizen going to any type of game, no matter what," he said. "She loved the Red Sox. She went in to celebrate with friends. She was a bystander. She was out of the way, but she still got shot. Awful things happen to good people. My daughter was an exceptional person."

    City officials had announced there would be a heavy police presence in Kenmore Square for the history-making victory by the Red Sox, who came back from 3 games to zero deficit to advance to the World Series.

    The city had been caught understaffed when riots broke out after the New England Patriots' Super Bowl win Feb. 1, when one person was killed and another critically injured by a vehicle that plowed into revelers.

    see, this is what happens when a team not used to winning actually does something impressive. their fans go abosolutely nuts!!!
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    Originally posted by VinnieB



    Well...it is true.....My best friend is a FF in 95 Engine....they were running all night....car fires, rubbish fires...etc......and the media doesn't jump on everything that happens in NYC. I have been on many incidents that never made the news......and I not only worked in NYC but I live in Bayridge, Brooklyn.
    My post was sarcastic in nature. I know that FFRED is a FDNY member and I am certain that he was listening to this unrest unfold as it happened. It is somewhat surprising that the press has not jumped on it, but I assume that they did not make a connection since it sounds like the unrest occurred over a pretty large area. I have no doubt that that what FFRED was listening to was bad and sounded like it was getting worse.

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    Wow did I miss some chatting while at work.

    Yes I was sitting at home (in Brooklyn) watching the disaster unfold(Yankees Losing their a@# to the Red Sox) when after the end of the game I thought it would be interesting to see what was happening in Manhattan on the Boro radio. Well as it turns out I heard all the transmissions first hand while listening to the scanner.

    Some reasons why the news probably didn't really cover it. Who knows? However I've worked in those neighborhoods and if 12 firemen in a Truck & Engine won't stop at a fire for safety reasons, how interested do you think some dainty little blonde news reporter is on covering such a disturbance close up. Especially when the cops didn't even have control over the neighborhood for quite some time.

    Everyone has seen what happens when a news camera puts on its light a night with a rowdy crowd of delinquents nearby...its like mosquitos to a lamp. Not a good Idea.

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