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    "better sense of John Kerry, the guy."

    "Everybody got one," Mr. Kerry said upon returning from a duck blind on the edge of a recently harvested cornfield beside a marsh.
    He held his over-under double-barrel shotgun in the crook of his arm and flashed a thumbs up as he passed the scrum of reporters who had no formal opportunities to ask questions and could only film and photograph him in his hunting garb with his gun.
    It was an opportunity, spokesman Mike McCurry said earlier this week, to get a "better sense of John Kerry, the guy."

    The event yesterday was tightly choreographed.
    "He's going to walk down that line of corn," explained one staffer, describing the candidate's precise movements out of the field. "He'll turn down there and walk up this way."
    Campaign officials wanted to convey the image of a hunter without permitting any of the gory details. They refused, for instance, to allow a reporter to join the hunting party in the blind.
    After about two hours of hunting, Mr. Kerry emerged. Photographers with long lenses noticed that he had blood all over his left hand. By the time he reached reporters, he had tucked that hand into his sleeve.
    After some speculation among reporters over whether he'd been injured, campaign officials said Mr. Kerry had cut his hand, but that it was mainly goose blood.
    Mr. Kerry also was careful not to be photographed holding the carcass of a bird he had just killed. Asked why he was the only hunter not carrying his own bird back, Mr. Kerry laughed and replied: "I'm too lazy."

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    Desperation must truly be setting in to post something like this.

    One can only imagine the blood curdling screams from conservatives if they had pictures of Kerry with goose blood on his hands.

    "He's a blood thirsty killer"
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    One can only wonder at the desperation of the Kerry campaign to risk a photo op like the goose hunt -- which had "Dukakis in a tank" written all over that plan.
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    Originally posted by scfire86
    Desperation must truly be setting in to post something like this.
    Wasn't that Kerry's idea for the photo op, to get the word out he is a goose hunter?

    just trying to help him out here
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    Maybe you will like this one better scfire86.. right off his web site.. "John Kerry: He's no weenie."


    Hunter, Dreamer, Realist
    Complexity Infuses Senator's Ambition
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    John Kerry eats dove. Even better, he shoots them. From behind the stalks of a Southern cornfield, he'll watch them flutter and dart, and fire.

    "You clean them. Let them hang. It takes three or four birds to have a meal," said the Massachusetts senator. "You might eat it at a picnic, cold roasted. I love dove."

    Dove, quail, duck, deer. Kerry described how to hunt and gut them, talking as he sliced through a steak at midnight after campaigning all day in Iowa for the Democratic presidential nomination. Carve out the heart, he said over dinner, pull out the entrails and cut up the meat. Bad table manners, perhaps, or good politics. After Sept. 11, 2001, some Democrats argue, they can't take the White House if they sound like doves. That is not a problem for the dove hunter. Kerry, 59, is the only combat veteran in the field. He stands 6-foot-4. He rides a Harley, plays ice hockey, snowboards, windsurfs, kitesurfs, and has such thick, aggressive hair he uses a brush with metal teeth.

    "That's our slogan," quipped his ad man, Jim Margolis. "John Kerry: He's no weenie."

    "He doesn't need a consultant to tell him how to dress like an alpha male," said his friend Ivan Schlager. "He is a damn alpha male."

    And who is he, really?

    A close associate hints: There's a secret compartment in Kerry's briefcase. He carries the black attaché everywhere. Asked about it on several occasions, Kerry brushed it aside. Finally, trapped in an interview, he exhaled and clicked open his case.

    "Who told you?" he demanded as he reached inside. "My friends don't know about this."

    The hat was a little mildewy. The green camouflage was fading, the seams fraying.

    "My good luck hat," Kerry said, happy to see it. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

    Kerry put on the hat, pulling the brim over his forehead. His blue button-down shirt and tie clashed with the camouflage. He pointed his finger and raised his thumb, creating an imaginary gun. He looked silly, yet suddenly his campaign message was clear: Citizen-soldier. Linking patriotism to public service. It wasn't complex after all; it was Kerry.

    He smiled and aimed his finger: "Pow."

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    I wonder how long it took kerry to get him self wounded so he could get another purple heart????

    Too bad the greese couldn't shoot back!!


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    Too bad the greese couldn't shoot back!!

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    I wonder how those on the extremes of animal rights feel about this? You know, the twits at PETA that don't even want you to own a dog ro cat, the anti-hunting groups that go into the woods to scare off dear so they won't be hunted.

    There is no despiration at all here. Kerry is trying to show that he is a "man of the people" in those states where there are large hunting populations and where people place NRA stickers on their vehicles. Few are foold, sicne his record is for the restriction of legal firearms ownership by the law abiding.

    He can go hunting all he wants, but you'll never see him cozying up to an average joe who just owns a handgun and likes to plink at targets and tin cans such as me or my wife. Or even you SC. He is trying to counteract the most powerful lobby in Washington and the nation, the NRA and its state / regional affiliates. I can't say it really convince those that do own firearms.

    It hasn't changed my mind at all, but then again I am not naive enough to cast my vote for any candidate for any office based upon one issue.

    I think you really know that this article was not posted out of "desperation," just posted because he is out there again trying to prove himself to be something/someone that he is not.
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    More Kerry pandering

    In Field & Stream, Kerry is quoted as "owning a Chinese Assault Rifle"

    When flooded with charges of hypocrisy, due to kerry supporting the ban of those evil assault weaons, a staffer says kerry really didn't say that, but the staffer wrote that on the questionare returned to Field and Stream.

    Kinda makes you long for the days when the kind a fib a Dem Pres hopefull told was about inventing the internet.....

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    Originally posted by pfd3501

    Kinda makes you long for the days when the kind a fib a Dem Pres hopefull told was about inventing the internet.....
    Or when a certain Reep President said he never said that the he didn't think much about Bin Laden when he in fact said just that.

    Sad, sad, sad, when the most wanted terrorist responsible for killing thousands of Americans is forgotten by the person claiming to protect us.
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    to me its the little things, like bragging and lying about your heroism and your lucky hat (when you were never in cambodia in your life),

    flying your hair dresser out to meet you on the campaign trail (in one of the largest corporate jets) to touch up your hair and thinks we shouldn't drive SUV's

    and wearing about as much makeup as Tammy Faye Baker..

    he's just not my kinda guy
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    Originally posted by StoveBolt
    to me its the little things, like bragging and lying about your heroism and your lucky hat (when you were never in cambodia in your life),

    flying your hair dresser out to meet you on the campaign trail (in one of the largest corporate jets) to touch up your hair and thinks we shouldn't drive SUV's

    and wearing about as much makeup as Tammy Faye Baker..

    he's just not my kinda guy
    And to me its little things like actually taking responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming subordinates or predecessors.

    Or being able to speak a simple sentence.

    Maybe my priorities are all screwed up.
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    I agree with you somewhat about bush scfire86
    , but i'm voting for Cheney, lets face it, he's the president ..
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    Originally posted by StoveBolt
    I agree with you somewhat about bush scfire86
    , but i'm voting for Cheney, lets face it, he's the president ..
    At least you're honest.
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    yea real great model of a president, you know i dont know what is more frightening thought, Bush being the president or cheney controling the president. they are both nutcases
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    One can only wonder at the desperation of the Kerry campaign to risk a photo op like the goose hunt -- which had "Dukakis in a tank" written all over that plan.
    WOW dal......get out of my head.....I was just thinking that when I first read this.
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    Originally posted by N8sfd333
    yea real great model of a president, you know i dont know what is more frightening thought, Bush being the president or cheney controling the president. they are both nutcases
    a Kerry guy talking about nutcases .. hmm!
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    Subject: An open letter to John Kerry


    This is a blistering "open letter to John Kerry" that is circulating around
    the web like wildfire. It is written by a Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr.
    Johnson is a combat vet who joined VVAW and disliked the position "Kerry was
    dragging" the organization toward.Â

    He's legit and requests that we pass his letter along.

    He deeply appreciates what SwiftVets and POWs are doing.

    Johnson is quite the accomplished writer; his website is
    http://www.solvinglight.com/
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    An Open Letter to Senator John F. Kerry
    From Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr.
    October 19, 2004

    Dear Senator Kerry,

    I never met my uncle Will. He was a lieutenant in the Navy during
    WWII. He was killed in action on his PT boat in the Pacific. For his
    fatal wounds, he received the Purple Heart posthumously.

    The first-captain of my West Point class took a bullet through the
    heart while leading a South Vietnamese airborne battalion into
    combat. For this fatal wound, he was awarded the Purple Heart
    posthumously.

    My senior year roommate at West Point became a tunnel rat. A booby
    trap explosion killed him in the tunnels of Duc Pho. The army awarded
    him the Purple Heart posthumously. My plebe year roommate lost an eye
    and became permanently crippled. For his extensive wounds, he
    received the Purple Heart.

    My battalion commander in Viet Nam was one of the bravest men I ever
    knew. He went out ahead of the troops in his light observation
    helicopter to find and kill enemy before they had a chance to fire on
    his men. That's how he died. For his fatal wounds, he received the
    Purple Heart posthumously.

    My words pale in their import compared to the terse comment of a high
    school classmate of mine. We played lacrosse together in Baltimore.
    He went to the Naval Academy and upon graduation became a marine.
    This past July at our annual lacrosse crab feast, I asked him what he
    thought of your Purple Hearts. He said, "Bob, nine of us lieutenants
    went over there together, and only three of us came back. All three
    of us who survived spent at least a month in the hospital recovering
    from wounds we suffered in combat."

    You didn't need any recovery time from your three alleged "wounds."
    How does one get "wounded" and yet not need to recover from
    those "wounds"? With wounds comes suffering. Where was your
    suffering? How could you merit a Purple Heart when you weren't even a
    casualty? You did not earn your Purple Hearts; you wrangled them from
    the system through deception so you could go home early and get out
    of eight months of combat. That is despicable and shameless. During
    the democratic convention, your flagrant boastful show of
    your "heroism" gave the impression that you had been a man in the
    thick of combat, when in fact, you had been a man on the very edge of
    it, all the while slyly conniving your way out of it. Instead
    of "Reporting for duty," you should have said, "Derelict in my duty."
    I marvel at your pomposity, and at the astonishing facility with
    which you present your phony war record as fact to the American
    people.

    Let's compare your wounds with those of a West Point classmate of
    mine and his men. As my classmate directed artillery fire onto
    suspected enemy positions, shrapnel from an enemy mortar ripped into
    his leg. A medivac chopper took him to the Americal Division field
    hospital. When he returned to his company two weeks later, many new
    faces met him: the lieutenant who had taken over had marched the
    company into a u-shaped ambush resulting in two-thirds of the men
    being killed or wounded. Those wounded in that battle didn't have to
    put themselves in for the Purple Heart, Senator Kerry.

    You exhibit the characteristics of a Narcissist. Narcissus, for whom
    this malignant character defect is named, fell in love with his image
    in a pool of water. As with Narcissus, your image has become the
    focus of your life. This image of yourself with which you are
    enamored, so greedy for recognition and praise, is only two
    dimensional: it has breadth and width, but no depth. And while your
    image may appear grand and heroic on the surface, there is no
    substance to it. My high school marine friend and my West Point
    classmate, true heroes, didn't take movie cameras with them to Viet
    Nam, but you did-with the express purpose of recording your imaginary
    exploits and feeding your grandiose image of yourself.

    The truth is you faked combat wounds in Viet Nam, and your actions
    were devious and self-serving. You were a "Purple Heart hunter," just
    as the Swift Boat Vets say. Narcissus was an actor, and so are you.

    I don't understand how any veteran, or any member of a veteran's
    family, or any sane-thinking American could even consider voting for
    you—a man who faked Purple Hearts in wartime. A man who will fake
    Purple Hearts for the sake of glorifying his image has no integrity
    and misdefines truth as whatever enhances the power and prestige of
    that image. A man without depth and substance stands for anything and
    everything-so long as his image is glorified. Narcissists such as you
    cannot be trusted; and they can be very dangerous, especially when
    they become paranoid about protecting their image, especially when
    they occupy positions of great authority and consequence. The issues
    in this election are truthfulness and character, and you lack both.

    In 1971, I became a regional coordinator for Vietnam Veterans Against
    the War (VVAW) for a short time. I and many other vets were very
    angry at our government. We had experienced horror, terror, trauma,
    and grief in a no-win war and couldn't see the reason for it. We felt
    betrayed by our government and our military leaders. You stepped in
    and became our spokesman.

    What enabled you to rise to the leadership of VVAW? What caused us,
    back then, to respect a four-month mini-veteran of the war? The
    answer is your medals: your phony medals for valor and your three
    phony Purple Hearts. Your congressional testimony about the war began
    with your own assertions that you had received the Silver Star and
    three Purple Hearts. What better spokesman than an heroic, thrice-
    wounded veteran! Our mistake was that we all assumed you were an
    honest and good man. But well before your antiwar days, you had
    decided to trade your integrity for the spotlight, and to barter your
    loyalty for vain political ambitions.

    Most of us in VVAW expressed our outrage with government war policies
    through speeches, marches, and protests. We told the truth about what
    we saw and did in Viet Nam and we demanded from our leaders
    acknowledgement and change. You usurped the leadership of VVAW under
    false pretenses and dragged it in the direction of Jane Fonda and
    collaboration with the enemy. If, God forbid, you are elected
    president, in what awful direction will you and your foreign-born-and-
    raised wife drag our country?

    Your deceit is an explicit slur upon my uncle Will's Purple Heart
    award, and you mock all other veterans who made the supreme sacrifice
    or suffered genuine wounds in combat throughout our nation's history.
    Your rise to prominence is based upon your abominably perverse
    desecration of our ideals; you have trivialized and demeaned the
    sacred and the solemn, and no amount of fluent sophistry or braggart
    pretense can cover it up.

    Your conduct goes far beyond dereliction of duty. You betrayed your
    comrades in Viet Nam; you betrayed the trust of antiwar veterans, and
    now your self-fabricated credentials and continued lies contaminate
    the political process.

    Remember the professor a few years ago who lied about being a Viet
    Nam veteran? His college reprimanded and suspended him for foisting
    such an abominable sham upon a few hundred students. I ask you in
    closing, Senator Kerry, what punishment is fitting for a man who
    fabricates medals as sacrosanct as the Purple Heart, and who
    continues to lie about his Viet Nam service to the entire world?

    Yours truly,


    Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr.
    RBowieJ@comcast.net

    Mr. Johnson is an airborne ranger infantry veteran of Viet Nam and an
    author. His latest book is "The Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in
    Marble." www.solvinglight.com
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    Once again...
    Kerry: Decorated combat Veteran of the Vietnam War.
    Bush: Stayed home and hid out in Texas.

    All the sour grapes in the world will never change these two facts.

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    We beat this topic to death last summer.

    The conservatives keep dragging it out because they know how lame their candidate looked in a face to face competition.

    Desperation setting in, nothing more.
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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman
    Once again...
    Kerry: Decorated combat Veteran of the Vietnam War.
    Bush: Stayed home and hid out in Texas.

    All the sour grapes in the world will never change these two facts.
    ONCE AGAIN, that's all you can say. Over and over and over. Every person on every corner of this earth knows by now that John Kerry served 4 months in Vietnam and George W. Bush was in the National Guard, and liberals think he "dodged the draft." Isn't it old now? I understand why you all repeat yourself like a broken record. There's nothing else you can possibly say. What are you going to do, talk about his 20 years in the Senate? Of course not. Are you going to talk about his post-Vietnam activities? No. Can you talk about any specific plan of his to get troops back home, lower gas prices, etc. etc. NO!

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    This is such a great story Steve. I wasn't going to vote for John Kerry. But since he has proven to me he is just a "regular guy" by his little hunting trip, he has won my vote. Duh, just write the word "SUCKER" on my forehead.

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    Personally, whether he hunts or not means diddly squat to me in my choice to vote for or not vote for him.

    Is there actually someone in the world that would use this as a reason to vote?
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    Is there actually someone in the world that would use this as a reason to vote?
    Apparently the politicos running the campaign think so. John Kerry is taking hits for gun control votes he has made by the NRA and other organizations. He should be afraid of the NRA. He may tout the fact that he has an 'F' from the NRA (at least I think it is an F) but considering that there millions and millions of LEGALLY owned firearms in this nation and there are millions and millions of LAW ABIDING citizens that are an extremely reliable voting block that weilds immense political and financial power, he neeeds to ensure that he builds up his support as much as possible.

    Overall, a week and a half before the election it won't mean squat. Lots of Southerners are turned off by the fact that he is just another liberal from New England. Remember Al Gore lost his own home state in 2000, in part due to the fact that he had reversed his stance on firearms when he became Clinton's VP. It also appears that Kerry-Edwards will lose NC. Waht does that tell you about a candidate for VP if his own state will not be carried by his ticket?
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    Originally posted by ThNozzleman
    Once again...
    Kerry: Decorated combat Veteran of the Vietnam War.
    Bush: Stayed home and hid out in Texas.

    All the sour grapes in the world will never change these two facts.
    Once again I ask why military service matters at all in selecting a President. I leave the disputes about combat service to those who have served in combat, and I take what they say and ponder it. I also listen to what former POW's have to say. Their words are what moved me more than any medals thrown or not thrown.
    If hiding out in the National Guard is a crime, then what is it to run to Canada?

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