Seagrave Layoffs

[NJFFSA16]

New York City orders 54 Seagrave fire trucks

An article published on Jan 1, 2002

Seagrave Fire Apparatus, a division of FWD Corp, has been awarded an order for 54 heavy-duty custom fire trucks for the City of New York in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks. The order, valued at about $25 million, includes 17 rear-mount aerial trucks, five tractor-drawn aerial trucks, four high-pressure pumpers, three squads, 19 pumpers, and six Seagrave custom chassis that will be shipped to Aerialscope Inc in Richmond VA. Aerialscope, an affiliate of Seagrave, will use one of the chassis to rebuild a damaged Aerialscope tower ladder, and the balance will be used to manufacture five new replacement Aerialscope tower ladder trucks for the City of New York.

The order will replace a large number of FDNY Seagrave fire trucks destroyed during the collapse of the World Trade Center Sept 11, 2001. The New York City fleet typically has more than 200 Seagrave fire apparatus in front-line service. The new trucks were ordered through Seagrave Sales & Service of South Plainfield NJ, the company's exclusive representatives for New York City.
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And now....layoffs? Why...is it poor management, poor product, poor sales...or what???

[hwoods]

I stand corrected. I was under the impression that Seagrave had been brought into Freightliner when Mr. Hebe moved to Seagrave. Thanks for clearing that up. I do stand by my opinion that Wall Street's greed is why so many things like this happen.

[Dave1983]

Originally posted by CALFFBOU
Macks are small time compared to a Crown Firecoach. The
Crown is bigger and has more power.

Crown- The royality of fire apparatus.

www.crownisking.org

With all due respect Bou, I just never liked the look of a Crown. Dont know what about it I dont like, just dont. I guess its all in what your used to. To be fair, its not the only make/model I dont like (the LaFrance Pioneer comes to mind).

Now the Mack CF, that LOOKs like a fire truck

BTW, do they still make Crowns? All the ones I see look older, or did they never change the style?

Dave

[CALFFBOU]

Originally posted by Dave1983


With all due respect Bou, I just never liked the look of a Crown. Dont know what about it I dont like, just dont. I guess its all in what your used to. To be fair, its not the only make/model I dont like (the LaFrance Pioneer comes to mind).

Now the Mack CF, that LOOKs like a fire truck

BTW, do they still make Crowns? All the ones I see look older,
or did they never change the style?

Dave

Dave- Its all good. You might not like the rounded cornors on
the Crowns?

No, they do not make Crowns anymore. They went out of
business in 1985.

Yes, they did change their style in 1981 or 82 to a
"wide body". Lots of room up front.

One thing is they drive sooo smooth and built super-rock
solid.I dont know how to describe it. Drives like a big
BMW or something. When you put your foot down, they just
move out fast. And the pumps were always sweet.

Maybe check out the website? There are Crown back East too.

-Bou

[Dave1983]

Originally posted by CALFFBOU


Dave- Its all good. You might not like the rounded cornors on
the Crowns?

No, they do not make Crowns anymore. They went out of
business in 1985.

Yes, they did change their style in 1981 or 82 to a
"wide body". Lots of room up front.

One thing is they drive sooo smooth and built super-rock
solid.I dont know how to describe it. Drives like a big
BMW or something. When you put your foot down, they just
move out fast. And the pumps were always sweet.

Maybe check out the website? There are Crown back East too.

-Bou

Could be, but for sure I'm not keen on the headlights.

Solid as a rock and rides like a big BMW, yummy. Perhaps there is more to these Crowns then meets the eye

Dave

[BVFD1983]

With nearly all of NY's business, how could the be in trouble?

[stillPSFB]

Are all of you that are wishing that Mack would make fire trucks again aware that Mack is now owned by Renault France?

[BC79er_OLDDELETE]

Gov. Jim Doyle presented $760,000 in state grants to help the
company build a 130,000-square-foot update and addition to its
manufacturing facility.

Mayor Richard Beggs said he expects the expansion to proceed at
Clintonville's largest employer, and said company officials told
him the laid off workers would have priority if other jobs are
created.

Adding 130K to the facility to expand manufacturing, and there's an IF in front of job creation? How do you add that much space and not have to hire more people? Who's going to be working in there then? Or are the Packers going to rent it for a practice facility?

[dbfiretech9]

Bro, You said it wrong. Its American LaCHANCE.

-Bou

You mean aerican lajunk.

[dbfiretech9]

With nearly all of NY's business, how could the be in trouble?

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Because NY isn't happy with the trucks they are getting. Just Ask Cincinnati about the last 5 Seagraves they got. Spend more time in the shop than in the station. And this info comes from an aerial inspector.

[hwoods]

What Magical Power dredged this thread out of the Archives??? And Why???............ What a waste of good electrons..........

[RoaddoggAK]

What's with all these old posts getting drug up lately???? While I applaud people for actually using the search function, We can't look at the dates on the post too? Mabie that's asking a little too much.....

[DaSharkie]

I dont know how you get a grant to expand to create jobs and then layoff 65 people ? What is that ?

That is a bunch of twit politicians not doing the right thing for the people of the state.

[DaSharkie]

Who knows, maybe this is the down fall to Seagrave. Didn't they close the Columbus Ohio plant and the Aerilscope plant they bought from Baker in Richmond and moved it all to Wisconsin?

Why would you not want to put a major piece of your apparatus line right down the road from your manufacturing plant? It makes a great business sense for them, although it sucks for Richmond, it is good for the company.

[DaSharkie]

Are all of you that are wishing that Mack would make fire trucks again aware that Mack is now owned by Renault France?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo!

Renault is part of the reason that I will not own a Nissan. About 44% of Nissan is owned by Renault. About 10%-12% of Renault is directly owned by the French government. Socialism and globalization at its finest.

[DaSharkie]

And now....layoffs? Why...is it poor management, poor product, poor sales...or what???

That was 7 freaking years ago man. Geez. Need something a bit more time relevant.

[BryanLoader]

Are all of you that are wishing that Mack would make fire trucks again aware that Mack is now owned by Renault France?

Isn't Renault one of the businesses in France that the gov't is propping up? We had some Renaults in Iran when I was there, not a bad truck but I thought a bit underpowered. The pump system was by Rosenbauer out of Germany. Overall, not bad. I think maybe Gunny might have ran into some of these in Iraq as well when he was working with the municipal side there

[MarcusKspn]

Renault is part of the reason that I will not own a Nissan. About 44% of Nissan is owned by Renault. About 10%-12% of Renault is directly owned by the French government. Socialism and globalization at its finest.

If the French government was able to BUY Renault and thereby Nissan wouldn't that make Capitalism at its finest. Or is Capitalism not OK if governments are the ones buying up everything?

[Bones42]

That was 7 freaking years ago man. Geez. Need something a bit more time relevant.

Pot, meet kettle. His post was made November 17 of 2004.

[hwoods]

Or is Capitalism not OK if governments are the ones buying up everything?

In a word, No. Several Nations, Led by Japan, demolished the U. S. Steel Industry some years back by dumping their products on us at a price that we couldn't begin to match. Later investigation showed that the Steel was subsidized by the Governments of those nations.

This Country will never be able to counter overseas competition in heavy industry for Three reasons: 1. Organized Labor. No other Country has our standard of living, and I don't think they want it. As long as they can keep people poor and eager to work for pennies, compared to U.S.Standards, the "powers that be" can continue to exert undue influence on their populations. 2. OSHA. No other civilized nation goes to the extremes that we do in protecting the workforce. A National Geographic Magazine article on India showed Wrecking Crews dismantling old Steamships. These guys were using cutting torches while wearing nothing but Shorts. Nothing! Bare Feet, Bare Backs, and cutting steel plates with a torch. 3. EPA. Same story with the Ship Breakers of India. They were dismantling OLD stuff, WWII Vintage, and taking absolutely no measures to keep Oil, Fuel, Asbestos, and other contaminants under control.

Every one of us living in the USA is better of because of the protections afforded us by the EPA, OSHA, and the many good things that came from Organized Labor's work over more than 100 years. I have a complaint or two, but I wouldn't trade life here for anywhere else on earth. But at the same time, reality is that other parts of the world are run by people who do not want prosperity to come to them, at least not to the working class.