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    Post Seagrave Layoffs

    CLINTONVILLE, Wis. (AP) - A company that makes fire trucks has
    laid off 65 workers, just months after receiving three-quarters of
    a million dollars in state grants to expand its facility and add
    jobs.
    Seagrave Fire Apparatus President Jim Hebe said the cuts were
    made Thursday so the company could operate more efficiently.
    The future looked bright for the pioneering company in
    four-wheel-drive vehicles and upscale fire trucks in June, when
    Gov. Jim Doyle presented $760,000 in state grants to help the
    company build a 130,000-square-foot update and addition to its
    manufacturing facility.
    The city partnered with the company in the construction by
    creating a tax incremental financing district to help pay for
    infrastructure.
    Mayor Richard Beggs said he expects the expansion to proceed at
    Clintonville's largest employer, and said company officials told
    him the laid off workers would have priority if other jobs are
    created.
    Dick Koeppen, Waupaca County Board chairman and former
    Clintonville mayor, said there was a problem with federal
    authorities over wetlands issues at the proposed site that delayed
    construction past the fall.
    "That got a lot of people to talking and word got around the
    industry. The fire truck industry is very competitive," he said.
    But he said people can expect to see construction start this
    spring.
    The state grants included $415,000 from the state Department of
    Commerce to help the city move streets and water and sewer services
    and $435,000 from the state Department of Transportation to pay for
    half the cost of street work. The city matched the sum.
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    Thumbs down BIG Business Strikes Again.................

    Layoffs? Who's running Seagrave? Not Mr. Hebe, that's for sure. Seagrave is a part, and a small part at that, of a BIG corporation, one that is dictated to by Wall Street. This type of thing will continue to happen every day as long as we let Stock Analysts dictate policy to publicly held corporations. Stockholders should have REASONABLE expectations on making a profit, but they are not ENTITLED to a dividend above all else, including the health of that which they own. Think about the first half of the word "Analysts". They truly are just that.
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    Unhappy

    Harve is right on target with this.

    Mr. Hebe is just one person that is trying to run the business in Wisconsin. The others are the power players that makes all the big decisions.
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    Default Hebe *IS* Seagrave

    Hebe and his investment group Ballamor are the private owners of Seagrave...they are the ones calling the shots.

    Hebe was formerly CEO of FreightLiner and Amerircan LaFrance.

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    Default FWD

    Should point out that Hebe/Ballamor controls all of FWD: Seagrave, Almonte, and Aerialscope.

    He's been in the industry a long time, started out selling trucks for AmerLaFrance.

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    Default Re: FWD

    Originally posted by FlyingRon
    He's been in the industry a long time, started out selling trucks for AmerLaFrance.
    Bro, You said it wrong. Its American LaCHANCE.

    -Bou
    Last edited by CALFFBOU; 11-15-2004 at 02:03 PM.

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    Sorry BOU you are also wrong, it is America's LastChance!
    Not been very impressed with our two ALFs here either!
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    Does anybody else wish that MACK would get back into the fire apparatus business again?

    The first rig I was assigned to was a Mack CF pumper.
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    We just purchased a former FDNY Mack CF to use as a reserve unit. Hopefully it still lives up to it's reputation as a work horse.
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    Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
    Does anybody else wish that MACK would get back into the fire apparatus business again?

    The first rig I was assigned to was a Mack CF pumper.
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    Question Re: BIG Business Strikes Again.................

    Originally posted by hwoods
    Layoffs? Who's running Seagrave? Not Mr. Hebe, that's for sure. Seagrave is a part, and a small part at that, of a BIG corporation, one that is dictated to by Wall Street. This type of thing will continue to happen every day as long as we let Stock Analysts dictate policy to publicly held corporations. Stockholders should have REASONABLE expectations on making a profit, but they are not ENTITLED to a dividend above all else, including the health of that which they own. Think about the first half of the word "Analysts". They truly are just that.
    Isn't Seagrave a privately held company? With Mr. Hebe heading the group of investors?
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    Default 56 MACK WORKHORSE

    We used to have a 56 Mack Reserve. Not just a work horse, a bucking bronco...man riding tailboard on those over bumpy roads
    was a hoot. I'm amazed however that we got the pump through
    the underwriting test every year on that reserve with no problem
    but the late model Seagrave it was filling in couldn't.

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    Default MACK

    No bells and whistles, No electronics, No Powered Equipment Racks, No Suspension. No safety interlock systems, No head room. Needed a field to turn around in. And lousy Warranties in compairison today. Oh Yeah you had to know what you were doing when operating it also. Actually took some skills.

    If you dept tried to put a bare bones striped down truck in your hall half of you would scream and refuse to use it.

    MACK MR is a Refuse Chassis. "M" Municipal "R" Refuse.

    Gee remember the good ol days when we used to fall off the tail boards. what a blast skidding on your butt for 300 feet.
    Oh and the day when you didn't have to wear those cumbersome SCBA's man it was so great just to soak your beard and stuff it in your mouth and go. Ahhhh the good old days. GMAB
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    I dont know how you get a grant to expand to create jobs and then layoff 65 people ? What is that ?
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    Default Yo...

    I will put a Crown up against any Mack any, ANY day.
    Bring it on baby!


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    Originally posted by Weruj1
    I dont know how you get a grant to expand to create jobs and then layoff 65 people ? What is that ?
    Markets change, investment is ALWAYS a risk, for the individual, for a town, for a state. This did not pan out as had been hoped, does not mean things won't eventually turn around allowing them to be able to hire those people back plus even more. Tell your Department heads that you want a Seagrave for your next replacement piece.
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    Does anybody else wish that MACK would get back into the fire apparatus business again?
    Got my vote.

    No bells and whistles, No electronics, No Powered Equipment Racks
    That's why we liked them.

    They were never parade trucks, they were firetrucks.
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    Default Take your Mack...

    Macks are small time compared to a Crown Firecoach. The
    Crown is bigger and has more power.

    Crown- The royality of fire apparatus.

    www.crownisking.org
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    Mack still manufactures trucks (just not fire chassis!)
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    Who knows, maybe this is the down fall to Seagrave. Didn't they close the Columbus Ohio plant and the Aerilscope plant they bought from Baker in Richmond and moved it all to Wisconsin?

    Like Mack, Pirsch, Crown, Maxim, Oren, Ward, they may be a name that will be remembered for great apparatus of years back.
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    New York City orders 54 Seagrave fire trucks

    An article published on Jan 1, 2002

    Seagrave Fire Apparatus, a division of FWD Corp, has been awarded an order for 54 heavy-duty custom fire trucks for the City of New York in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks. The order, valued at about $25 million, includes 17 rear-mount aerial trucks, five tractor-drawn aerial trucks, four high-pressure pumpers, three squads, 19 pumpers, and six Seagrave custom chassis that will be shipped to Aerialscope Inc in Richmond VA. Aerialscope, an affiliate of Seagrave, will use one of the chassis to rebuild a damaged Aerialscope tower ladder, and the balance will be used to manufacture five new replacement Aerialscope tower ladder trucks for the City of New York.

    The order will replace a large number of FDNY Seagrave fire trucks destroyed during the collapse of the World Trade Center Sept 11, 2001. The New York City fleet typically has more than 200 Seagrave fire apparatus in front-line service. The new trucks were ordered through Seagrave Sales & Service of South Plainfield NJ, the company's exclusive representatives for New York City.
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    And now....layoffs? Why...is it poor management, poor product, poor sales...or what???
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    Red face Oops...............

    I stand corrected. I was under the impression that Seagrave had been brought into Freightliner when Mr. Hebe moved to Seagrave. Thanks for clearing that up. I do stand by my opinion that Wall Street's greed is why so many things like this happen.
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    Default Re: Take your Mack...

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU
    Macks are small time compared to a Crown Firecoach. The
    Crown is bigger and has more power.

    Crown- The royality of fire apparatus.

    www.crownisking.org
    With all due respect Bou, I just never liked the look of a Crown. Dont know what about it I dont like, just dont. I guess its all in what your used to. To be fair, its not the only make/model I dont like (the LaFrance Pioneer comes to mind).

    Now the Mack CF, that LOOKs like a fire truck

    BTW, do they still make Crowns? All the ones I see look older, or did they never change the style?

    Dave

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    Default Re: Re: Take your Mack...

    Originally posted by Dave1983


    With all due respect Bou, I just never liked the look of a Crown. Dont know what about it I dont like, just dont. I guess its all in what your used to. To be fair, its not the only make/model I dont like (the LaFrance Pioneer comes to mind).

    Now the Mack CF, that LOOKs like a fire truck

    BTW, do they still make Crowns? All the ones I see look older,
    or did they never change the style?

    Dave
    Dave- Its all good. You might not like the rounded cornors on
    the Crowns?

    No, they do not make Crowns anymore. They went out of
    business in 1985.

    Yes, they did change their style in 1981 or 82 to a
    "wide body". Lots of room up front.

    One thing is they drive sooo smooth and built super-rock
    solid.I dont know how to describe it. Drives like a big
    BMW or something. When you put your foot down, they just
    move out fast. And the pumps were always sweet.

    Maybe check out the website? There are Crown back East too.

    -Bou
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    Default Re: Re: Re: Take your Mack...

    Originally posted by CALFFBOU


    Dave- Its all good. You might not like the rounded cornors on
    the Crowns?

    No, they do not make Crowns anymore. They went out of
    business in 1985.

    Yes, they did change their style in 1981 or 82 to a
    "wide body". Lots of room up front.

    One thing is they drive sooo smooth and built super-rock
    solid.I dont know how to describe it. Drives like a big
    BMW or something. When you put your foot down, they just
    move out fast. And the pumps were always sweet.

    Maybe check out the website? There are Crown back East too.

    -Bou
    Could be, but for sure I'm not keen on the headlights.

    Solid as a rock and rides like a big BMW, yummy. Perhaps there is more to these Crowns then meets the eye

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