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    Just basing my opinons on what I have experienced with emts/frs that are aged 15-17.
    Also while i am ranting, I volunteered at a dept in west central kansas for 5 summers in a row as a station hand (emt/ffI student) We were short on money, but we managed to get all 18+ emts and put the paitent first. If you dont have enough money to hire competent emt's then why are you messing with the safety of your community.
    Plus being certified means crap when you are in the middle of a tramutic multi systems trauma call and you dont know what to do.
    And what i mean by competent is a emt with a respectable maturity level, someone who knows what they are doing, and someone who thinks of the paitent, not if he is going to get his BLP or not.
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    Actualy if you are an explorer, there are BSA regulations concerning explorers going to the scene and I dont have them in front of me. Give me a few days and Ill have them.
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    thats NREMT, we don't use that here, so it differs from state to state...

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    Originally posted by EMTA20
    I think what the Jrs here are mistaking themselves with are vol.

    In most small towns, where the they are vol run. Those ppl get blue lights, and they have restrictions, such as, if they are in another city, they can not use them, if their are others in teh car they can not use them and more like that.

    What these ppl on here need to know that unless they are needed to be called from home, they shound;t just show up on a fire scene, because most likely they are scanner nuts and have no life (which is a bad thing)

    Most dept's with Exp, may use them, and have a call back on them, in this case, you will be responding to the call in ur POV, if they are calling you in, then their is not normally a life threating thing goung on, they are going use you for rehad, trafic, PR (maybe) first aid, who know what but nothing that is going to be for a lifethreating thing. So their is no need for you to be called in comming code. If it was life threating, its call mutal aid


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    I love how the senior guys are always so quick to put down the Junior/Explorer programs.

    Im not sure where any of you came from, but I was once a junior on a volunteer department and had a blue light after I was a member there for 2 years. Juniors are an integral part of the fireground. They are your exterior and support personnel. Why would you roll a volunteer engine not completely full? Let the junior member get on! Why use a firefighter who is qualified for interior work to hit the hydrant or replace SCBA bottles? Throw ladders? Place lighting? These are great tasks for juniors while on the fireground. And if you are saying that juniors are not an essential part of the fireground then you are saying that the list of tasks above is just as unnecessary.

    I know this may be the wrong place for this, but I am sick of hearing how "unimportant" junior members are year after year on these forums.

    Juniors are the future of your volunteer departments and should not be discouraged.
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    Originally posted by DrParasite
    oh yeah? I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The
    phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

    Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt!
    wow you are really original! glad you know how to copy and paste

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    Originally posted by GetALife
    you should learn how to spell
    oh yeah? I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

    Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt!
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    Originally posted by GetALife
    Juniors are an integral part of the fireground. They are you exterior and support personnel. Why would you roll a volunteer engine not completely full? Let the junior member get on! Why use a firefighter who is qualified for interior work to hit the hydrant or replace SCBA bottles? Throw ladders? Place lighting? These are great tasks for juniors while on the fireground. And if you are saying that juniors are not an essential part of the fireground then you are saying that the list of tasks above is just as unnecessary.

    I know this may be the wrong place for this, but I am sick of hearing how "unimportant" junior members are year after year on these forums.

    Juniors are the future of your volunteer departments and should not be discouraged.
    Listen junior, you need to understand where us big boys are coming from.

    first off, you aren't an integral part of the fire ground. you are an asset, one that should be used, however if you aren't there, the senior members will find away to get the job done. secondly, if there is an empty seat on the apparatus, then your butt should be in it. however, if there are none, and your sitting in one, and I need to get one, you better volunteer to yeild your seat. Third, a junior member can do maybe 25% of what a senior member can do. a senior member can do 100%. if you had to pick between the two, which would you want on your fire scene? forth, I never said any of those tasks listed were unneccessary. however, they can all be done by a senior member.

    so kid, you need to understand your role in the department. juniors are not firefighters. For the most part, they can do some exterior ops, but they can't go inside, they can't go on hazmat calls, they can't operate power tools, and they can't do anything that would endager their lives. that's child labor laws. and you can't even say two junior equals one senior firefighter. a junior's roles is to get a good education (that means going to high school, getting good grades, not leaving for fire calls, etc), learning about the fire service, getting as much hands on training as they can, and acting in a support role. This way, when they become senior firefighters, they are already knowledgeable in how the department works.

    and before you say I'm anti-junior or whatever, let me tell you this about me. I spent 20 months as a junior on my fire department. I spent 18 months as a junior on my EMS rescue squad. As I said before, I have probably done more stupid stuff while I was a junior than some of the people on these boards. and now that i'm a little old, and a little wiser, I can see how some of the things I did or wanted to do were not good ideas, and I can see why the senior members have their rules, and why they operate like they do. and almost 6 years after I started, I now have Firefighter II, my EMT certification since 1990, a college degree and a good job.

    sorry for the rant all, but junior was really starting to **** me off. and get a life, I don't believe for a second that you are either a senior member of your department, or if you are, that you have completed firefighter I
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    thanks for your bio..Well let me tell you where I am coming from. I have been a Lietanent for two years. I have Fire II and First Responder. I too went to college and I am now finishing up my masters. oh...and I have a great job also.

    i am done fighting with a jackass like you.

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    and considering you obviously have no idea how to use resources appropriately, I'm glad I'm not located anywhere near a department that you are an officer in. Your line of thinking is downright dangerous.

    and there is no reason for name calling, that's just a sign of immaturity. and i don't believe that you are an officer, got fire II, or are getting your masters. I'm betting you are a 17 year old on a ego trip, maybe you should come back when you GetALife (pun intended)
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    Originally posted by DrParasite
    and considering you obviously have no idea how to use resources appropriately, I'm glad I'm not located anywhere near a department that you are an officer in. Your line of thinking is downright dangerous.

    and there is no reason for name calling, that's just a sign of immaturity. and i don't believe that you are an officer, got fire II, or are getting your masters. I'm betting you are a 17 year old on a ego trip, maybe you should come back when you GetALife (pun intended)
    the username is to reflect the thoughts and ideas of which you have demonstrated today. I know exactly how to use my resources and I know the limits of each member on my crew, i never mentioned anything about endangering lives or that juniors are firefighters, all I said was that there are plenty of roles for juniors on the fireground when there is an empty seat on the rig.

    I never mentioned anything about leaving school. I am discussing procedures that are strictly realted to the fireground. I am sorry that you junior program in central nj was not as in depth and hands on as ours is. ok kid?
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    listen junior, our juniors probably do the exact same thing that your juniors do. they act as gophers, they change bottles, the assist with ladders, etc.

    but what you seem to be failing to realize is that senior members can do those things too. that is the reason junior members are nice to have around, but not essential on the fireground. and until you realize that......

    i suggest you do what your screen name suggests
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    Originally posted by DrParasite
    listen junior, our juniors probably do the exact same thing that your juniors do. they act as gophers, they change bottles, the assist with ladders, etc.

    but what you seem to be failing to realize is that senior members can do those things too. that is the reason junior members are nice to have around, but not essential on the fireground. and until you realize that......

    i suggest you do what your screen name suggests
    i suggest you pull the stick out of your ***

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    Originally posted by GetALife
    thanks for your bio..Well let me tell you where I am coming from. I have been a Lietanent for two years. I have Fire II and First Responder. I too went to college and I am now finishing up my masters. oh...and I have a great job also.

    i am done fighting with a jackass like you.



    Go back to school and pay attention when the teacher is trying to get you to learning spelling!!! You may have been a Lieutenant but you can't spell that French word yet!!

    Don't come in here trying to bust someones balls, kiddo!!




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    Originally posted by CaptOldTimer





    Go back to school and pay attention when the teacher is trying to get you to learning spelling!!! You may have been a Lieutenant but you can't spell that French word yet!!

    Don't come in here trying to bust someones balls, kiddo!!




    here comes another jackass

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    Originally posted by GetALife


    here comes another jackass

    Hold on here Pal!

    I was only suggesting that you learn how to spell before you get in the forums and show that you can't spell.

    You do not know me. I do not like the reference you just make about me being "here comes another jackass"!!

    I take this as a personal jab and I will not tolerate it not for one minute. I will and have reported you for your rude and nasty behavior!!!

    If you want to converse with me in these fourms, it will be in a civil manner! Otherwise, don't bother with the attacks.
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    If your such a high and mighty officer, why are you wasting your time hanging out in the kiddie forum? Hmmm.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Originally posted by nmfire
    If your such a high and mighty officer, why are you wasting your time hanging out in the kiddie forum? Hmmm.
    not wasting my time, i was just checking up on the latest trends

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    Attention K-Mart shoppers, will GetALife please report to the Trolls forum!
    i bet that joke is really funny in mississippi

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