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    Default "Blacking" out SCBA masks with wax paper question...

    I assume you cut the wax paper in the shape of the clear part of the mask, and tape it to the outside? Right?

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    We have used that 3M blue rolled tape construction type tape
    in the past. Works well, cheap, easy and does NOT leave any
    residue anywhere.

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    We just take a square of the wax paper, and fit it inside the mask. This crumples the paper a bit in places, but works well.

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    We put it on the inside, the wax paper, kind of tuck it into/behind the form fitting rubber. Never had a problem with it coming out and you can swap it our rather quickly.

    We have also put our hoods on backwards, over the face piece of course.
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    We've just taken the square and secured it around the lens flange with a rubber band.
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    Here, I just found a picture. Again, cheap and easy.
    NO RESIDUE or no hassles. And you can use the left
    over tape on apparatus, equipment or station projects!




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    Here we crumple up a piece of doubled wax paper and put it inside the mask. I think it works quite well. Much more realistic than a completely blacked out facepiece.
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    We take old masks and sand the crap out of them with sand paper. It works great.
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    Used the wax paper tucked inside the mask and it works great. A roll is dirt cheap and can be used in training and to wrap your sandwiches for the drill.

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    Originally posted by len1582
    Used the wax paper tucked inside the mask and it works great. A roll is dirt cheap and can be used in training and to wrap your sandwiches for the drill.
    So thats why my mask smelled like ham & cheese...

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    We just put our hood on backwards.
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    Good thing you didn't have liverworst and onions !!!!!!!

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    We also wear our hoods backwards, outside the mask.

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    We turn our hoods backwards, it's cheap and allows very little vision. We practice in the dark and have a halloween fake flame thing that looks real in the dark or in the fog.
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    We don't really have to worry about turning the lights out, since our hoods are black and not a whole lot of light gets through.
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    Originally posted by Steamer
    We've just taken the square and secured it around the lens flange with a rubber band.
    Same here.

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    I realize that your hood turned backwards is a simple solution, but is it a good idea to be stretching the hood out of shape so that it does not fit snugly when you need it? It is also unnatural to have to move your hood out of the way to connect your regulator if you are using an SCBA that has the regulator that mounts to the face piece.
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    We have some older masks (not sure how old) that don't have that part that fits over your mouth, just on your face...anyways, we switched to the newer AV-2000 face pieces and with all the old ones, we spray painted them black. The only downside is that the black paint chips a bit after a while.

    I've also seen these pieces of foam that you buy and put inside the mask that come in different densities, simulating differen't degrees of smoke.
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    Originally posted by MetalMedic
    I realize that your hood turned backwards is a simple solution, but is it a good idea to be stretching the hood out of shape so that it does not fit snugly when you need it? It is also unnatural to have to move your hood out of the way to connect your regulator if you are using an SCBA that has the regulator that mounts to the face piece.
    Beat me to it. I am not a big fan of turning around the
    hoods. Then the whole feeling of the PPE is not normal
    to real conditions. Nomex in your nose, lack of seal,
    etc. Everything is just not in the normal place.

    Then when your in the REAL firefight, everything is now
    in a different position. I just like the blue tape the
    best.

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    I used the wax paper on the outside here a few weeks ago in training, just tape it to the edges of the mask, works great. I also don't like the idea of turning the hoods around, stretching them out, and not fitting/feeling like they normally would.

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    When out of tape at training, I got everyone to take of one sock and block out their visor from the inside.

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    The most effective thing we found out here was shower caps.... They just fit over the front of your mask and the elastic holds them on.... Search around and see what you can find, some will black out your mask totally... others do a great job of simulating smoke...

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    Ah Dave,you beat me to it.We use shower caps as well.A bit akward but quick and functional.T.C.

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    One of the lessons I learned very early in my career, was the need to constantly check the cylinder contents by frequently looking at the pressure gauge. The biggest fault of blacking out the mask with paer, tape, etc, is that it tends to encourage the wearer to forget about the gauge reading. The solution that we came up with is to obtain some of the film used to darken vehicle windows, use two layers of the darker variety cut to shape and fitted inside or outside. with the lights on or in the open you can see adequately, but as soon as you enter a darkened area you cant see a thing, you can still use the flashlight to check your gauage, but there is not a lot of vision if you shine the light in front of yourself. makes for greater realism. This way you can encourage the wearers to check the pressure guage and know how much air you have, just might save your life someday.

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    We used to use a variety of older masks some covered with tape and some painted black. This of cousre requires that the masks fit the airpacks you are using. So when a new model of pack is bought your old black out masks are no good. We have also used the backwards hood method, but what I don't like about this is that you do not get to "train as you do". I feel that everything you do in training should be as you would do on the fireground, that means putting on all your gear including your hood properly.

    We now use the wax paper method and we do it this way. Each person tears of a small sheet of wax paper and crumples it up. The they unfold it and it now has a fairly random patern of lines and white spots to further block vision. these sheets are put inside the mask, against the facepiece, and are held in place by the nose cone and the rubber edge of the mask. This allows every trainee to perform the evolution using the mask that was issued to them, not an older model out of service mask.

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